Updated: Israel denies involvement in deadly Gaza hospital blast, says explosion caused by Islamic Jihad
Getting tired of the pro-Hamas lemmy position.
If you actually watch the footage of this attack you can see pretty clearly it’s a failed Hamas rocket.
Calling out Israel for its blatant disregard for human life isn’t a “pro-Hamas” stance.
The only thing I’ll agree on about this conflict is that it brings out the worst in people
Were the rockets that hit the hospital on Saturday also failed Hamas rockets? I’m just asking, feel free to say yes. https://www.archbishopofcanterbury.org/news/news-and-statements/gaza-hospitals-are-facing-catastrophe-says-archbishop-canterbury
I think most people aren’t going to be moved or convinced by that source. I would recommend finding something a bit more substantial.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/10/17/israel-hamas-gaza-hospital-anglican-church/
“The al-Ahli Hospital in Gaza City was also struck on Saturday and had braced to be a key support in the war”
Much better source
Definitely not pro-Hamas here. There is video of a rocket that veers off that does seem to match up with the timing. The Israeli military has also said there were drone operations in the area but denied they were involved.
It does appear like this was likely Islamist militants but there is still a possibility that it was Israel. We will need more info to get a better picture of the situation.
You’re probably right I was just being reactive.
Time for a break.
No worries. I added an update blurb but Boost is not letting me update the headline with the new info.
Very few on here is pro hamas. The rest of us are just trying to show you how genocidal Israel has been to Gaza and Palestinians. Yet you seem to be drinking the the right wing kool-aid that Israel is a saint.
Go to 9gag where your racist & bigotry will fit right in.
Like I said… this conflict brings out the worst in people.
There is currently only one verified video of the rocket strike. At best you can discern the direction the rocket came from, not who fired it. The magnitude of the explosion and the direction it came from makes it more likely to be an Israeli rocket, but that isn’t conclusive.
Everything else you’ve seen is fake/propaganda.
ahem
WAR CRIME!!!
Seems like this was actually Hamas’s own rocket strike.
https://twitter.com/GeoConfirmed/status/1714390274900734049
That means the reported death toll is going to be much lower also, because they cannot blame Israel for it.
Ohh wow a source that is in no way authoritative! I sure hope you went and posted this everywhere!
GeoConfirmed is well-respected and they work closely with Bellingcat who are probably the OSINT gold standard, having exposed Russia downing flight MH17, the Russian operatives following Alexei Nevalny before his attempted assassination, and numerous Russian illegals operations, among many other investigations.
If multiple investigators independently concluded that the rocket was fired from Gaza and lost control before hitting the hospital, the likelihood that you’ll find credible investigators coming to a different conclusion is very small.
Israel hit this same hospital with rockets on Saturday, injuring four staff members, according to the hospital, prompting the Most Rev. Justin Welby, the archbishop of Canterbury, to call for the reversal of Israel’s order for Palestinians to evacuate from the north of Gaza ahead of a planned ground offensive" https://www.archbishopofcanterbury.org/news/news-and-statements/gaza-hospitals-are-facing-catastrophe-says-archbishop-canterbury
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The barrage of rockets were live streamed with timestamps. One does appear to veer off compared to the others that lines up with the time of the explosion.
However, the Israeli military did say there was a drone operation in the area but denied any of them were involved.
The IDF has now said that the blast was caused by a failed missile launch from Palestinian Islamic Jihad.
Of course they will do that, while for the past days requesting evacuation of the same hospital and suddenly today it’s a misfire?
Did you see the impact? It burned 7 cars. If that caused 500 casualties, I’ll eat my own underwear.
I saw this impact are you doubting that could kill 500 people?
Yes. You need to Google and see just how big of a surface 500 people takes and how densely they would have to be for this explosion to kill them.
No google needed. My hobby is to do this
Plus there’s video of the aftermath. I’ve seen it. But, you think none of those people whipped out their phones?
First of all, even USA has independently confirmed this is not Israel’s fault. Whether you believe them or not, is kind of pointless. But 500 people there were not. It’s a parking lot with 7 cars destroyed. If there were 500 people jammed there scenery would look entirely different. And am not saying there are no injured, but that number of 500 was pulled out of the ass at the moments notice to point a finger at Israel as soon as possible. Hamas loves doing that and they’ve done it in the past.
This community doesn’t care. They are anti-semitic. Any excuse to openly call for death to Israel will be taken advantage of. The facts are irrelevant.
Clearly you are very stupid.
Being against the genocide of gazans isn’t anti-semitism. God damn it this is basic shit, how many times does this shit have to be explained.
And if you’re taking the IDF’s word at face value… lol
From the article:
The HAMAS-RUN Health Ministry in the Gaza Strip says at least 500 people have been killed in an explosion that it says was caused by an Israeli airstrike.
So you won’t trust Israel but you’ll trust Hamas? Lmao.
You’re right, I was hasty. I’ll reserve my judgement for when there’s better information out there. Hamas is absolutely not to be trusted either.
Thank you for saying that.
I don’t see you protesting the deaths of Israelite? You know, that thing Hamas did that started the current events? Also, you realize you’re taking anti-Israeli propaganda at face value? That’s what al Jazeera is now. As others posted, there’s videos of the rocket misfire.
Who stands more to gain from this? A terrorist organization known for attacking its own citizens and blaming it on Israel? Or a nation that will receive universal condemnation for such an event?
Fuck Hamas, and fuck the Israeli government. Let’s wait for more reporting to verify who killed 500 people in a hospital (fuck whoever did that). But in the meantime maybe don’t be claiming anti semitism when people ask for genocide to stop?
Did you say that because you were reading my other comments? How about you read the one where I link to people calling for death to Israel because of this event. What else would you call people who openly eat anti-Israeli propaganda and call for their death?
That’s one of the most frustrating things about discussing this. Racists and antisemites are running free and forcing us to be wary. You’ve got people saying it’s okay for Israel to kill kids, but wrong of Hamas to. You’ve got people refusing to condemn Hamas for their attack, and instead blaming it all on Israel.
This issue has way more extremists than usual, and it’s exhausting.
Much better to take a literal terrorist organization’s word at face value despite video evidence to the contrary, of course.
If anyone has love for Jewish people, for any people, they should condemn Israel. You are wrong. This attitude has helped allow the slaughter of thousands of innocent people over decades. To condemn Israel is to have humanity. To support the Palestinian people’s struggle for freedom is to support justice. I love Jewish people, I’ve studied the Holocaust, I’ve spent massive time studying Nazism, modern movements and the history. The actions of the Israeli government and the IDF must be stopped by all means necessary.
No, I love Jewish people too but I support Israel’s right to defend itself. The Palestinian people can’t go free so long as there exists among them organizations that long for the destruction of Israel and all Jews. The quickest path to freedom for Palestine and the fewest loss of innocents is the elimination of Hamas. Sorry, but that’s how this works. If there is cancer in the body, you kill good cells to kill the cancer. You must, or else you yourself will be destroyed. I don’t celebrate the deaths of innocents on either side. But I am at least aware that with Israel, there is the possibility of peace. With Hamas, there can never be.
Good that you studied the Holocaust. Because this is how Nazis justified their genocide and it’s also how Hamas and similar groups justify their violence:
If there is cancer in the body, you kill good cells to kill the cancer.
Hamas doesn’t exist in the west bank, so why are people there getting killed?
This rhetoric… I’ve seen it before. I can’t believe my eyes.
It’s everybody else that is wrong, not me! /s
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Prove it. You’re defending Hamas, a literal terrorist organization known for attacking its citizens. They blow their citizens up and blame Israel, then the Arab community unites to call for death to Israel. This is exactly what they do. Are you a sheep, so easily herded? Pull the wool from your eyes.
Israel has killed 36x as many children as Hamas. https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties
Thanks for that absolutely irrelevant fact. Civilians die in war. One side of this war is a democratic government, the other is a literal terrorist organization. Are you defending terrorists today? Is that what you woke up to do on the internet?
Terrorist is only when those without power use violence I guess. What about all the dead Palestinian civilians?
They’re both terrorist organizations. One is just more well armed with more international support.
So when the Hamas murders children in Israel they are terrorists but when the IDF does the same thing in Gaza it’s “civilians die in war”. You either have to be really stupid or cruel to make this argument work in your head. Probably both.
Yes, now you’re getting it. One is terrorism, the other is defence from that terrorism. The destruction of Hamas is the fastest way to stop the death of innocents on both sides. Israel could have accomplished this by destroying all of Gaza, but instead they show restraint in trying to minimize civilian casualties, and they will risk the assured death of even more of their own citizens by invading to root out Hamas.
You do realize Hamas is the result of Israeli apartheid and occupation? They even helped create it. Israel has been bombing Gaza for years and Hamas doesn’t seem to get any weaker. Your argument is just a way for you to keep moving the goal posts towards complete genocide.
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I’m defending Palestinians who have in no way elected Hamas, and who are killed by an elected government because some random terrorist organization happens to be residing in the same literal prison they are trapped in by the same named elected government.
Your defense is useless. Insofar as Israel should stop killing innocents, you have no solution to letting terrorism fester at their borders. No solution to the 1000s of rockets launched at them. No solution to the constant threat of invasion and brutalization of their citizens. You have to say that you support Palestinians, because there’s nothing you can say to stop an organization that demands nothing less than the death of all Jews. So, who do you care to support? Will you allow the Israelis to die because that means Palestinians don’t suffer? Or will you allow the Palestinians to die so that Hamas can be destroyed?
Prove it. You’re defending Israel, a literal terrorist state…
Such a stupid argument. Israel’s kill count is much higher. Which one is worse?
A very precise misfire.
Misfires happen, but “rocket falls short of target on empty field” isn’t a news story; you’ll never hear about it. You’ll only hear about them when they result in tragedy.
IDF stated that over 450 missiles from the past week launched towards Israel crashed inside Gaza. That’s a 5-10% failure rate which seems reasonable.
One very big rocket that took out a hospital? I support Israel but the BS is too strong here. IDF may have inadvertantly changed global sentiment with this one.
A hospital that’s still standing with a bunch of burnt cars in the parking lot, while some people claim “80% destruction” and “500 dead” after taking a photoshoot in a corner of the parking lot, surrounded by like a dozen dead kids.
It’s a tragedy. It’s also BS, just which way.
Unclear if the headline is editorialized or simply changed after posting, still it’s mismatched. Locked and removed.
Jihads misfire, blow up a Gaza hospital, blame it on Israel and people believe it.
On top of it, the hospital wasn’t even blown up.
Load of BS
I’m actually so confused as to what actually happened. I literally don’t get the narrative because either story is believable
“Appears as though”…“information still being collected”. Wow, so confident.
Here’s a post with the actual analysis, including IJ fighters admitting it
Thanks for this. Any other sources confirming the context of the IJ call?
https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cya6vuZqtKt/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
Quite the opposite from what I’ve seen
Ah yes the unbiased Jerusalem post
If it makes any difference, the White House has made a statement that it wasn’t Israel.
That wouldn’t be the white house that has lied every time it’s in it’s interests to?
… You’re not from the US, are you?
Hamas terrorists brutally murdered at least 5 Canadians and are currently holding/torturing several more as hostages in Gaza. Is that also BS?
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- Israel DID NOT blow up that hospital. The terrorists misfired.
- I want ALL Hamas dead for mass murdering Canadians.
Canadians promoting the slaughter of natives? thats a first /s
So you are saying that everyone in Gaza is Hamas?
No but being part of Hamas does not erase ones Palestinian identity. Hamas is still made of natives trying to defend themselves from colonizers. Nice try tho.
The IDF “misfire” excuse is dubious at best. Just stop… it’s shameless. Do your ground assualt, go into hospitals if you need to clear out Hamas. But don’t blow up the hospital with doctors and civilians for god’s sake.
You straight up defending “Human Shield” Hamas after they blew up their own hospital and blamed it on the IDF isn’t the moral high ground you deserepately need.
Wrong. You like to label people Hamas supporters because you can’t debate. Auto fail. I support the destruction of Hamas. Just not war crimes.
Know what’s “dubious?” Taking the word of a terrorist group that slaughtered Canadian civilians.
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Lol, maybe don’t call other people stupid when you start with an ad hominem out of the gate. Jesus.
Says the person who calls BS on the almost certain fact that Hamas/IJ was trying to blame blowing up the hospital on IDF without any arguments.
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Wait, you don’t believe what islamic fundamentalist terrorist organization says right after killing 1000 Israeli civilians?
If we can’t believe them, who can we believe?Source for your bullshit propaganda?
You believe it because the US said so? The same country that lied about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq to invade them and killed hundreds of thousands of civilians?
Because they said so, and it was independently verifiable and they brought surveillance that confirmed it. And Gaza clearly lied about the size, location, and scope of the “bombing”. And there’s multiple videos of it.
Yeah, I actually do. I have friends who work for the government and I trust them completely. Crazy, right?
That is indeed crazy.
Your friends working for the government holds no values, because the government itself, lied about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq to invade them and killed hundreds of thousands of Iraq civilians. What’s your response to that?
My response to that is that the millions of people who live in the USA largely live comfortable, peaceful lives with access to excellent resources like education, jobs, medical care (you can debate the costs/I support single payer, but it’s the best in the world otherwise), national and state parks, etc. I’m happy and I trust my friends in various parts of the government who vouch for their leadership.
Not taking any sides here because I think it’s still unclear what actually happened, but:
This is a weird point. It’s not like government workers unilaterally know when the people at the top are lying. If your friends are of high enough position to know the truth of the matter, it would be the priority of national security to not share the truth to you, should the truth be something other than what the government claims.
I can imagine being in your shoes and trusting your friends; that’s always a nice spot to be in. I just don’t see how this claim bolsters your previous argument.
If you want to think it’s a weird point, go ahead. I know many people in our government who separately trust their leadership and the actions of them. I won’t go into specifics but it works for me. Personally, I believe you have to trust and rely on people to get through life successfully, and I choose to skeptically trust our government, particularly the non political parts such as the state department and federal research labs.
Biden said that he believes the US intelligence that points to it being an errant rocket coming from the Palestinian side of the fence.
That said, at this point, is anyone going to believe what anyone says?
Just like the US intelligence that told Bush there were WMDs in Iraq?
Call me crazy but I’m inclined to believe US intelligence over the health minister of Hamas. Yet I will wait for the UN report that will be conducted to know for certain.
Joined two days ago to exclusively advocate for Hamas terrorists. Looks suspicious.
No advocation for Hamas from my side.
I simply chose to join the Fediverse (Lemmy in particular as I really liked Reddit) to have freedom of speech.
Over to you, Hamas doesn’t exist in the west bank, so why are people there getting killed?
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I’m not promoting any hate, just because you consider it hate, does it mean it’s actually hate. Still, no answer for my question yet.
This event happened in the Gaza Strip. And Hamas’ exists in the West Bank, they just don’t rule there.
Lol, you don’t think Hamas rules Gaza?
Hamas (UK: /həˈmæs/, US: /həˈmɑːs/ ⓘ;[43] Arabic: حماس Ḥamās [ħaˈmaːs]),[44] officially the Islamic Resistance Movement (حركة المقاومة الإسلامية Ḥarakah al-Muqāwamah al-ʾIslāmiyyah), is a Sunni Islamist[45] political and military organization governing the Gaza Strip of the Palestinian territories.
Anyways, Hamas didn’t launch the rockets that hit the hospital - Palestinian Islamic Jihad did.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/therewasanattempt/s/sjyoBDilRC so what’s this?
It’s a journalist who was drafted. Not sure I would call them a spokesperson for Israel.
“A journalist who was drafted” https://www.hnaftali.com : “Hananya has been working for Prime Minister Netanyahu in his digital team for the past 5 years.”
I stand corrected. The search I did on him did not even turn up his page. Bad DuckDuckGo.
No worries. I just saw this too on another thread (I’m no search guru myself either). Lots of stuff coming out all over the place on this.
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Im going crazy at people’s reaction to a hospital being bombed during the largest aerial bombardment from Israel (A country known for bombing hospitals) into Gaza, this hospital was supposedly just meant to have exploded thanks to a weapon dozens of times more powerful than anything Hamas has ever had in its arsenal.
I’m actually losing my fucking mind at these comments
I genuinely don’t understand what you’re suggesting happened. There’s an incredible amount of ambiguity from the average commenter to where I can’t tell if they believe it’s an isreali strike or a failed Hamas rocket
As he said he is losing his mind. Because it clashes with reality and he cannot accept anything that goes against his firm convictions.
It’s so interesting to me that even your comment is ambiguous, it’s like everyone on lemmy has evolved to not make themselves clear to what their opinion is
Oh I did not mean that to be ambigious. To make it clear: I think the user is a dumbass who gets upset because people don’t believe that Israel attacked the hospital but that it was caused by the “defenders”. Which is something he cannot accept because in his mind Israel must be at fault.
Some of the highest voted comments here are in total agreement with the Israeli narrative despite total lack of evidence.
Are they? I can’t work out if it’s sarcasm or people being genuinely direct.
Fuck I’ve lost touch with internet etiquette and nuances to where I can’t trust a fucking thing I read anymore. I’m sitting here with my pants down not understanding anything
Don’t be so hard on yourself, the comment section for every article remotely related to this conflict is an absolute shitfest.
If Israel is known to bomb hospitals, why did Hamas put their headquarters in the biggest hospital in Gaza? Isn’t that kind of counterproductive?
I wouldn’t be surprised if this was true, but it’s pertinent to wait for more information rather than the word of a Hamas spokesperson.
That’s the best part about this community. You don’t have to wait! Just blame Israel and call for their death!
Heres a link from the bbc,i dont think they are members of hamas
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-middle-east-67119233Umm, maybe you missed the memo. Everyone killed in gaza has been a hamas militant, and everyone upset about genocide and war crimes is a hamas propagandist.
Those reuters reporters the IDF blew up? Obviously hamas… it’s pretty straightforward.
From the article:
Israel’s military says ‘a hospital is not an IDF target’
The BBC’s international editor Jeremy Bowen says he has received a statement in a phone call from the spokesperson’s office of the Israel Defence Forces, reacting to what Palestinian officials have said was an Israeli strike on the Al Ahli Hospital in Gaza.
The statement says “a hospital is a highly sensitive building and is not an IDF target.”
“The IDF is investigating the source of the explosion and as always is prioritising accuracy and reliability.”
“We urge everyone to proceed with caution when reporting unverified claims of a terrorist organisation.”
So there’s some fuckery going on. Either Israel did it by accident, or on purpose and covering up, or something else.
How TF do you read that and end up at the conclusion, Israel is up to no good! You realize you’re defending a literal terrorist organization known for bombing its citizens? Who stands to gain from bombing a hospital? Israel gains… universal condemnation. Hamas gains… the entire Arab community uniting and calling for death to Israel.
Who stands to gain from bombing a hospital?
That’s why I’m saying there’s some fuckery going on. I’m not putting it past Israel to bomb a hospital at this point, but it seems like a very stupid unjustifiable move. That ‘something else’ I mentioned could be Hamas bombing the hospital and then blaming Israel.
Thanks for not jumping to conclusions. It just seemed to me that your original post was finger pointing at Israel as being responsible for the fuckery, instead of being clear that they don’t have much to gain from this attack and the opposition is a literal terrorist organization known for attacking its citizens and blaming Israel.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-says-islamic-jihad-rocket-misfire-caused-gaza-hospital-blast/
Rockets occasionally misfire and don’t make it to their destination. Israel is claiming that’s what happened - that a Hamas rocket fell well short of its intended target.
Hate is the reason that some snipers kill MSF doctors clearly in view and wearing easily recognizable branding. Hate is why this ‘accidental misfire’ killed more doctors, and patients as well.
The Jews I know do not hate people like this. These people are not good Jews, and I worry they resemble more the monster they fled with each passing year.
This is fake news.
Edit: I’m questioning the veracity of this myself, disregard.
Let’s not spread rumors without any proof. If you have proof, show it.
Yeah agreed, since then I’m even questioning if it’s legitimate.
The IDF spokesman himself https://twitter.com/CensoredMen/status/1714355342987948106
They literally have a dedicated team for social media engineering
If true, then this needs to go higher
This is fake news, no hospital was bombed instead it was parking lot…
Which was the hospital parking. It is still in the hospital perimeter and part of it.
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