Trying to be happy via drugs drives home just how non-arbitrary it is.
Drugs give you variation around a set point. Uppers crash you down. Downers make you tense when they wear off. Only real world work can move that set point around which drugs just make you fluctuate.
You’ve been reading too much self help nonsense and not experiencing enough drugs to make any assertions about how drugs work. You’re so far wrong and oversimplified that I can’t even bother reaching so far down to give you a platform of understanding.
Psychedelics can absolutely kick that set-point into another universe if you let them. I can’t begin to explain how it works or how it feels, but I have personally have had some very significant life changes since I started using them on a regular basis.
Sure, you can use psychedelics for fun, but in a proper environment they can be a strong driver for extremely healthy mental change.
Real work is an absolute requirement. No argument there. However, a person may need a complete mental rewiring to get to the point where they are willing to move forward. Like myself.
I hate myself, this world, and most people so much that I want to do psychedelics just to kill that side of me and, hopefully, start feeling like I have some sort of power again. I am about to look into buying the spores and growing my own, but I don’t want a shit ton of extra shrooms. I just want to do one heavy dose, let my inner id die, and live my life again.
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I totally get that. Really.
I can’t tell you how to trip or what your dosages are going to be. Every person is different and your mind may not be cut out for what you will experience. Taking one mega dose without experience or without a friend around is not recommended unless you already have a firm grip on reality and are an extremely self aware person.
If you need advice, DM me and I can tell you how to get started growing or ask around in /c/shrooms (Edit: added a link to the instance and community in a separate comment)and you will get some good advice. There are easy ways to grow these days without needing equipment for sterilization.
This instance is shrooms friendly, so I hang out here.A shoebox size grow will get you a few trips, so don’t worry about having too many.One dose may work for you or it may not. If you know someone that you can trust fully and they have a super chill vibe, it’s good practice to trip with a partner. Your own mind can be a scary place if left to its own devices and a partner is a good source of reality checks if you get “lost”.
Ego death (or ego dissolution) is a very real thing that you can experience. Your existence seems to stop being about just you and you can develop an almost spiritual connection with everything around you. It’s life changing, but a person should be aware of what is real and what is actually part of the trip. In some cases, reality does mix with what you perceive as “real” and it can be exceedingly complex to filter out what is going on.
Above all else, you need to be in a healthy environment. Environmental context can absolutely determine how your trip is going to be. Psychedelics can amplify what are normally passive feelings and you want to set the tone as best as you can.
I have tried many different dosage levels in many different environments. I have had good experiences and also negative ones. In my case, shrooms helped me perceive the world from a brand new point of view and everything felt new again. I can almost feel how my brain is being rewired and it is very interesting.
I love you and your explanation. My wife has done them a couple of times. I’ve been listening to, “How to change your mind” audiobook, and it makes me really want to experience it. I’m an empath so I fully expect to experience the ego death and I welcome the experience no matter how it goes. I have saved your message and will definitely look into that lemmy group and see about setting up my own temp grow environment.
I appreciate you!
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Correction: One of the more active shroom communities is here: https://sh.itjust.works/c/shrooms
The one on lemmy.ca is still budding and lemmy.world is not shroom friendly.
Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using a URL instead of its name, which doesn’t work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: !shrooms@sh.itjust.works
Uhh yeah don’t do that. It’s not like that at all. Maybe try coke, but that’s not gonna last long.
Do it man! I hope you find a way to engage where you feel like you’re pedaling life not just screaming downhill with no brakes.
They are being explored for clinical applications like treating depression.
And they absolutely should be. They are amazingly powerful substances that deserve all the study we can afford to give them.
What I find absolutely fascinating is that their abuse potential is extremely low. After a 50ug dose of psilocybin, the last thing I want to do the next day is do it again. It’s not because it was a bad experience, but it’s just how it works. (Also, lightning fast tolerance. Once you saturate your 5HT2A receptors, it takes a while to recover.)
Well put
I still don’t get what this post is saying, and I’m totally sober right now.
“How arbitrary the connection between how you feel and how well things are going,” wtf?
Weirdly enough I’m high AF and it makes sense to me
It about how much you are influenced by chemicals made by your body in your day to day life.
Like how much your emotional state of mind depends on your body chemistry going perfectly.
Getting high on weed gives you a noticeable, controllable disruption to highlight this effect.
It refers to the fact that feelings are not a reflection of the outside reality, but a reflection of one’s perception of it. According to OP, this is proven by how feelings completely change by simply changing the way the brain perceives reality, via a psycotropic compound, while actual reality remains unchanged.
This is a well known scientific and philosophical fact, that OP has only come to know recently thanks to personal experience with psycotropic drugs
Such epiphany resulted in the shower thought we are commenting.
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Good human
I assume they refer to smoking weed. It can show you the mountain before you is not always high, and that it is not always a mountain.
Sober, you might feel completely different about some specific problem, but with this you can actually take a look at it and deconstruct the problem in peace
It doesn’t really matter what’s happening, with regards to how you’re feeling. You can be going through shit and having a good time, or king of the world and just miserable.
IMO this is such an important thing about life. You can’t control most of what happens to you, but what you can control is your attitude & your reaction. You often don’t need to have an opinion, a preference, or a response to a situation/event.
The worst thing for me is to feel like I’m insane because of my feeling about a thing not aligning with how it should with regards to my understanding of things. That right there is what would make me feel unsafe in my own hands.
Imagine you cut yourself and it feels like a goddamn orgasm. Do you do it again? That’s not the question. The question is what else is backwards in my brain and how can I ever feel safe?
How do I know if someone else is ripping me off of I can’t measure value? How can I know what conditions are comfortable if my feeling is off?
Choice theory is pretty important to me. I’m currently being ripped off by my employer and employers everywhere are all doing the same thing because people in my category are mollified. We’re not doing anything about it because it’s easier to let someone else take the fall individually. We should have some kind of inherent feeling to help us all gauge what’s fair to react to and what shouldn’t be. Do you let the thing slide and suffer for it, or do you fight back and suffer for it? The suffering imposed in both situations is certainly being measured by those who are controlling us financially.
My mom likes the saying “nothing is good nor bad only thinking makes it so”
Getting high just increases my anxiety more…it has never made me happy or relaxed me in any way. So this isn’t quite as universal of a statement as you might think.
Getting more anxious arbitrarily when high would also support their statement. They didn’t say that getting less anxious was what indicated a disconnection between feelings and reality
Now this is an actual good argument. I might just have to concede that I’m wrong here in this case then. At least, anecdotally. I don’t know anyone who gets high and is just…the same. Which by your argument is what it would take to falsify OPs claim. Nice catch!
I used to wonder if the extreme panic/anxiety spirals that weed gave me were because I knew subconsciously I was a loser with nothing going for me. Now my life is very secure. I have a job I enjoy and am compensated well enough, I have a wife, a daughter, and I live in a more favorable country than before. So I tried smoking weed again to see, and wouldn’t you know it? I immediately launched into a panic spiral over what a fucking loser I am.
I used to enjoy it, but over time I ended up in a similar boat. Just a huge bust of anxiety, especially socially. But on the other hand, I feel pretty okay in the day to day. I’ve come to see it as a sort of forced introspection - not necessarily revealing anything I don’t already know about, but bringing it all to the surface and forcing the mind to see it. In that respect, it could still be drawing a line between feeling and how things are going.
Not that it makes it necessarily more universal, but I think there’s a grain of truth.
I think some of it depends on where you live, what repercussions you have if caught, and how safe you feel when doing them (environment, friends, activities, etc.). I’m good now, but when it was illegal where I live, I found it harder to enjoy weed.
There also tends to be a level of anxiety felt strongly by those who bought into the “just say no” era of the war on drugs. That’s not bad, and I definitely understand it having been on the “drugs are bad, m’kay” side of things, but the more your believed minor drug use turned you into a junkie, the harder it was to question that.
My older sister is one of those types who still believe the propaganda. I get it and do not push it, but when she brings it up, I talk honestly about it. I think it’s helped her feel comfortable about the idea, but not enough to try it. I respect that.
Or you just haven’t found the right drug
I didn’t say every time every person gets high
…you’re really gonna pull that? Order-of-word semantics? I’m simply pointing out that your statement is not universal. And you’re gonna reply with an “I didn’t say that”?
My rebuttal is “Getting high does not reveal for everyone how arbitrary the connection is between how you feel and how well things are going…”
Is that clear enough of a statement for you now?
What an idiot
This doesn’t help. Just like some medications can’t be taken by certain types of people, it’s not outside the realm of possibilities that someone’s experience is different than the norm or different than your own. We should be helping, educating, and loving the experience, not denigrating those who have experiences outside of our own or expectations.
I implore you take time to consider the person’s experience, and how yours may not be the only one, before insulting them for theirs. Nothing but love and kindness your way. Be well!
This person was flipping out on people over nothing. I think I was within my rights.
Sorry I upset you. Wasn’t being snarky.
Whenever I talk about getting anxiety from weed, someone inevitably hits me with the “try a different strain!” as if I haven’t tried to mango strains, oil, vaping, and edibles lawl
One thing that did completely take away my anxiety while getting high is CBD. More CBD than THC in a bowl and I have a great high. Give me straight THC and I’m more than likely not going to have a good time
I have a big vial of pure CBD oil I’ve never used, I should try that.
I also want to say that dry herb vaporizers played a big role in my anxiety reduction also. Being able to control the temp to get certain terpenes is great and the high and feeling is a lot smoother. I start off at a low temp and work my way up in one bowl so I slowly get all the effects of it all. Also greatly reduced the amount of bud I was using
CBD itself won’t get you high, just get you chill. I enjoy CBD in itself. I use CBD, CBG, and THC everything. I only use a little bit of THC, more of the CBs.
I guess CBD can get you a bit high but it’s not like you’re baked. You know you’ve consumed something. Although, it’s possible CBD in itself will do nothing for you. CBD is best when mixed with other cannabinoids like a small amount of THC or mixed with CBG.
A lot of great research is going into CBD and I’m all about it. It shows all the positives without a lot of the negatives. The PTSD and depression research is especially helpful knowing how many of my fellow vets are suffering from such ailments!
I don’t think you even need to get high. Financially I’m earning the most I ever have. However, emotionally I’m the worst I’ve ever felt. My circumstances should, in theory, mean that I should feel the best I’ve ever felt and yet that isn’t the case.
The reason is pretty simple though, my mental health isn’t being treated with medication right now. I’ve had to accept that for myself, I can’t therapy and self-help my way out of my mental health problems and that medication is the only way for me to continue to survive. Thankfully I’ll be starting again next week and I’m looking forward to feeling good again.
The problem is obviously that you’re not exchanging your finances for drugs with which to feel good. Check out that money to happiness exchange rate!
The solution was right before my eyes all along!
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Yep, pretty much any mind altering substance can teach you that. It is one thing to philosophise about it, but another thing entirely to experience it first hand. Can also be experienced through meditation (especially Buddhist jhana meditation), although it’s a skill that takes time to learn.
I did that 10 days vipassana retreat where we meditated for more than 16 hours a day for 10 days. Eventually I got there, but it was very underwhelming, way to much work for too little blis/reward or what you want to call it. Never tried mind altering substances (other than alcohol and marijuana) because I’m too afraid to get hoked and to destroy my life.
Psychedelics won’t hook you. You will be very overwhelmed the first time and you will think about the experience and if it was pleasurable, you will probably be open to doing it again but it’s not an addictive experience unless you want it to be. And even then it will take you a long time to develop an addiction. One hit of LSD or some mushroom chocolates with people you can trust and enjoy being around would should be something everyone tries once. The art of the 60s will definitely have a whole new meaning.
Best time I ever had, doing MDMA and listening to “Surrealistic Pillow” by Jefferson Airplane. I didn’t even care that everyone around me was hooking up, I was in it for the jams!
I used to get mushroom tootsie rolls from a friend of mine. They’re kinda fun. I’ve only taken them like 3 or 4 times though, and it’s been a couple years since.
Like you said it’s not really addictive unless you want it to be. Tbh I think the reason I don’t find it addictive at all is that one time I just had a negative trip. Like it wasn’t really bad, but it just didn’t feel right.
As I’ve gotten older, this is true, but in the reverse of what is implied. I can be like “man, what a great day, I got a ton done, I’m feeling very proud of myself, I think I’ll hit the vape.”
Cut to two hours of anxiety about a misspoken word in the midst of the aforementioned day punctuated by two panic attacks about tomorrow.
Man I’m sorry that that’s how you experience it. When I’m high I listen to my favorite music and zone the fuck out. The real world rarely enters my thoughts.
Often I’ll think about projects I want to work on and get mega inspired from random stuff I find on the internet. Of course, the motivation evaporates when I’m sober, but at least I took notes while I was blasted 😂
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I noticed, when I smoked like a fish – taking a hiatus from October 1 through the end of the year – I noticed a lot more connections between bullshit than when sober. It offers you a bit of insight that either makes you say, “hmm,” and move on with your day, or drives you to anger that you can’t see such things while sober.
