This is all I want. Just text, nothing more. Just like reddit.compact version that they took away.
It just feels so weird to have big threads with good fresh discussions going on hours after the post.
Not to say there isn’t an occasional asshole here and there during this wave, but I don’t think reddit has ever felt like this at any point.
It’s because sorting comments by “hot” prioritizes new comments more than old comments even taking into account votes. So a 3d old comment with 50 votes might appear below a 2h old comment with 5 votes. Unlike Reddit which just pushes the first comments to the top and anything new will drown in the sea of comments and never surface or be seen.
That’s my guess as well. And the post default sorting by “active” means the top posts usually have a lot more staying power compared to reddit.
Didn’t see much here that made me roll my eyes and think:“That made me feel dumber for reading it.”, whereas on reddit that’s pretty much every big thread.
That staying power is a blessing and a curse. Sometimes you’re looking for fresh content. Top Hour is marvelous. So is New Comments. :)
I think it encourages you to seek out other interesting communities when you want to see something different.
Yes, and I like it this way too. It definitely gives people who came into the thread late a voice.
All the old Redditors jumped ship. Let’s hope the new redditors and spam bots don’t jump ship with them.
I’d prefer the new redditors to the elitist ones, but well, what can I do.
Meow
Leave
No u.
I’m afraid you’re stuck with elitist pricks like me now :p
Unfortunately, if there’s any hope of lemmy really taking off, they’ll come eventually. All popular sites and services have to deal with it at some point.
Does the Narwhal bacon again?
You are my first upvote and this is my first comment
Hopefully this turns into something
Oh god
Only at midnight.
Nope. I’m trying to hold my poop for three days
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Not anymore…
I want to be mad but FFS Reddit had Conde Nast money for most of its shittery so they had NO excuse except incompetence.
At least Fediverse servers are typically Steve’s old laptop or some shit so it’s understandable.
Reddit’s database was pretty poorly designed. They designed it to be really flexible so they could make changes easily early on, but it was highly inefficient. I don’t know if it’s still like that, but the old website’s source code is public and it is very inefficient.
It’s generally more like “Steve’s 10 eur/mo cloud server in which they run ten other things next to Lemmy, which is written by two devs and barely held together by duct tape and prayers”
But that doesn’t change the overall point.
it’s that cheap? If I spun up an instance and paid less than $150 how many users would I be able to have before it implodes?
About tree fiddy
it’s that cheap? If I spun up an instance and paid less than $150 how many users would I be able to have before it implodes?
Sounds like a challenge
The instance I’m replying from is a 5 eur/mo box from Hetzner.
Your main concerns are gonna be active user count & storage space. Especially if you decide to allow image or god forbid video uploads. Having a bunch of inactive users aren’t going to affect costs that much as long as they don’t have, like, a milion subscriptions. (If they’re all subscribed to the same community things will “deduplicate”)
What’s the learning curve like? That honestly seems like a much bigger hurdle than cost.
There are many guides on getting started with Linux servers as a whole. I recommend installing Debian Bookworm on a virtual machine or a spare laptop at first and going through the writeups all major cloud providers have, just to get a feel for using the terminal & initial setup (SSH hardening and reverse proxy configuration and so on)
After getting an initial feel for Linux admining, start reading up on Docker, Docker Compose, and containers in general. Avoid Podman until you’re experienced with Docker as it’s just different enough to trip you up. You can also check out LXC/LXD although it’s way less popular.
Be careful of guides that are old (even a year makes a difference) or for different “distros” than the one you have. An exception for the second case is the Arch Linux wiki, which is one of the best resources just in general, aside from a few Arch specific bits like the exact package names to install. You should also use Arch’s “man pages” reference, as they’re built from the latest versions of packages compared to other man page renderers that are frequently outdated (like die.net)
Lemmy itself is harder to get right because the instructions so far are intended for people who kinda know what they’re doing, but once you have the base Linux admin knowledge, it won’t be that hard to pick up the parts necessary to get working with something like Lemmy.
The installation itself is pretty simple, every piece of lemmy lives in a docker container, so they should work right out of the box. The admin configuration has a slightly unintuitive UI but alas very few things to do, so really small leaning curve.
Do you have any specific resources or suggestions? I’m a software dev with lots of DigitalOcean experience looking to host my own instance. Also, can you log in to wefwef through your instance, or how do you access everything, specifically on mobile?
Depending on how well you know your way around, my recommendation is to not use the Ansible setup but instead treat it as documentation while doing things your way. It has quite a bit of strange stuff going on (postfix? two nginx installs with only one being in a container?) and seems to be missing important things such as SSH hardening. It also assumes it’ll be the only thing running in your server just in general (horrible yet common practice, unfortunately) so if you have anything set up it may or may not clobber over it to do things it’s own way, and end up breaking something.
Also, can you log in to wefwef through your instance, or how do you access everything, specifically on mobile?
I haven’t tried wefwef in particular but all native apps I tried work just fine. An issue I can see cropping up from wefwef is that Lemmy’s CORS policies are way too restrictive by default. No idea if they do any kind of proxying to get around that but that would be the main issue I’d imagine.
Only one way to find out ;)
On a more serious note… I’m not sure if much has changed since then (probably, things have been moving fast…), but lemmy.world was hosted on about a $150 / mo server:
https://blog.mastodon.world/ https://www.hetzner.com/dedicated-rootserver/matrix-ax (it’s the most expensive option here)
That’s pretty beefy. You could probably get away with much less for a smaller instance.
But…but…spez said it will cause 200k per month!
That’s because he wants all 55 million active users accessing his servers so he shove ads down their throats.
To be fair, Reddit is a lot bigger than any Lemmy instance, and Lemmy instances have the benefit of being decentralised, so the load is on many different servers owned by different people as opposed to one group of servers owned by one company.
Good point. Who the hell hosts their own server anymore?
Honestly, it’s negligent if a major company does host their own servers at this point. Big cloud server companies specialize in that and can do it better than others, with better guarantees of stability and maintenance. Pretty much the reason people specialize in everything else.
You will pay, sweetly, for that added uptime, however.
What you’re saying here is literally a punchline in infosec because of how many breaches are down to incompetent cloud service providers, because said cloud service providers take security about as seriously as the aforementioned c-suite does.
*EDIT No, the c-suite thing doesn’t make sense. Shut up. I recast this post and removed a bit. I don’t need your approval. I DRIVE A DODGE STRATUS
Lol what? Every server has down time. But the big cloud companies have actual liability for theirs
You are entirely ignorant of how anything works. There’s no “liability” unless they seriously fuck a goat. Downtime is expected and, in fact, built into contracts. X amount of downtime for service, Y amount for unforeseen circumstances, Z amount for shiggles. There may be some prorating built into it, but even that will be after a certain amount of downtime.
No matter how you slice it the only reason anyone uses cloud services is to cut costs. There actual facts simply do not pan out when you’re talking about security.
Those contracts are exactly what I mean. A certain, small amount of downtime is allowed for, and it’s expected to be fixed shortly. If either of those things aren’t true, then the business is in breach of that agreement.
Anyway no u r ignorant. Peace out
No matter how you slice it the only reason anyone uses cloud services is to cut costs.
Businesses chose cloud providers because they think that it will cut costs.
But I know where OC was coming from, 15-25 years ago it would have been the crap old laptop, the cardboard box server, the DEC PDP-11 the University is still powering for some reason.
… the PDP-11 😂
Given the… frankly absurd rate at which people are signing up to servers, and subscribing to other servers, and posting and commenting and upvoting and…
I mean it’s getting a bit hairy, and user growth was already following a very steep growth curve. Reddifugees are hugging all instances to death.
It really is a defining moment for Lemmy. If the devs can’t adapt quickly enough to handle the traffic, I doubt many Reddifugees will stick around.
I’m already seeing vastly improved performance, so I think the worst of the lag from recent updates is behind us.
I’m probably here to stay. Maybe not Lemmy specifically, but i’ve already joined Mastodon once and then bailed and things have only gotten worse since then. It’s either this or Tumblr and my Tumblr account is still all jacked. Or maybe Cohost or Pillowfort will start drawing people in? I’d take one of those, too.
But even if i have to run my own Lemmy instance i don’t want to go back to some privately owned site that’s just going to have the same cycle kill it again
Depends what timelines and what types of users were talking about, in my opinion. Users migrating who have contributed good content and/or moderation should have the patience to get through most of the growing pains. Casual users who show up just to browse and maybe up or downvote a few things don’t add a lot of value up front anyway, so the attrition of those users won’t matter too much in the long run. Those types of users will likely be back in the future once the kinks get worked out, or will be replaced by users of the same type. Patience is the game.
I love that your first instinct after being here just a few hours is to bitch about things. Maybe donate and thank the devs for the free work they’re doing so you don’t have to deal with the bullshit on Reddit, and then in a month or so when the user influx has calmed down a bit, then you can bitch if you want.
i don’t think this was intended as an entirely serious complaint.
personally i’m very impressed with how well it’s still running right now despite the influx
Yeah on that note how do we help the instances so they can take more load is there like a way to donate or something?
Did you think redditors will stop moaning just cause they are in a new place? Bitching is universal as long as three or more people can gather around on some corner of the internet.
Damn bro chill, they were making a joke
No! Anger! Must be mad!
True, we might’ve escaped reddit but we are still on the internet
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Check out mlmym if you want to see it resemble the old.reddit experience too.
generic live instance
old.lemmy.world
old.lemmy.ca
githubLike the good old times
I expected to see issues with just the offending instance even on another instance account, but hopped onto one of my smaller ones and found this post again much faster because it didn’t take forever to load the page and again to load into the comments.
That’s pretty dope!
Yeah but these guys aren’t trying to make a profit from us and Reddit had venture capital money.
And here I am laughing on my speedy private instance. For real, the best part of Lemmy is if your experience is bad you can hop to a different instance and not miss a post
Question about this, is it just a speedier general browsing on other instances as well? Or just your local posts?
Everything is faster. For the most part, your local instance will download posts and comments for any community you (or anyone else on your instance) is subscribed to. So when you log in, you log into your server and browse the content locally (posts from everywhere) while your server in the background constantly is receiving updates through the ActivityPub protocol.
I literally have no delay in using Lemmy in any way.
What about the “all” stream? Is that also preloaded to the server?
The “all” stream would be all of the posts from the combined subs of the users on the instance. So if there’s a community nobody is subscribed to, it won’t appear on all. This is true of all instances. Many smaller ones will employ bots to crawl Lemmy and sub to communities to give the large instance “all” feeling.
That being said, yeah it’s all preloaded onto your local server. There is no difference in speed. Doesn’t matter if it’s active/subed or new/all they all load the same
I’d highly encourage everyone to find smaller instances and leave lemmy.world for the immediate expats. Find something that aligns with your values. Or if you are technically literate enough host your own instance. If you have an old desktop computer you’ve already got everything you need.
How many communities you subscribed and after two weeks how much data does it represents on your storage ?
Not OP but I can answer with my own stats:
In just a week, With BTRFS compression (compress-force=zstd:3) & deduplication (via bees), media is at about 1GB (and I am subscribed to media-heavy communities like 196) and the postgres DB is at about 550MB (which is also currently shared with Matrix Dendrite)
At “idle” (as you can be while being connected to ActivityPub & Matrix), the immediate CPU and RAM usage breakdown per container is:
NAME CPU % MEM USAGE / LIMIT MEM % NET IO BLOCK IO PIDS CPU TIME AVG CPU % pict-rs 0.20% 18.92MB / 4.005GB 0.47% 3.319GB / 1.105GB 17.58GB / 3.239GB 13 1h16m57.232828s 0.59% crowdsec 1.39% 44.23MB / 4.005GB 1.10% 106.4MB / 23.46MB 25.53GB / 486.7MB 11 45m28.744419s 1.95% caddy 0.63% 73.06MB / 4.005GB 1.82% 1.675GB / 1.977GB 3.322GB / 720MB 10 21m9.94572s 0.90% dendrite 1.58% 197.7MB / 4.005GB 4.94% 912.8MB / 2.33GB 8.718GB / 4.761GB 12 53m26.302022s 1.43% postgres 5.33% 82.51MB / 4.005GB 2.06% 56.22GB / 7.961GB 20.92GB / 295.7GB 23 8h20m28.078567s 2.86% lemmy-ui 0.00% 48.71MB / 4.005GB 1.22% 3.491GB / 5.961GB 3.603GB / 5.267GB 12 31m35.884936s 0.24% lemmy-be 2.82% 29.01MB / 4.005GB 0.72% 16.45GB / 57.85GB 7.966GB / 6.439GB 6 3h6m34.633508s 1.42%Net IO you shouldn’t really care about as that includes inter-container networking. I’m trying to find how much outgoing data have been transferred but because the month just ended I have no idea how accurate the numbers are.
On my instance we’ve got about 100 communities subscribed to. Started it first week of June, since then the instance is up to a little over 4 GB of disk space. YMMV depending on instance size.
I should probably build an instance on my little home server. Is there a guide for that somewhere?
Right on the lemmy website. 🙂
https://join-lemmy.org/docs/administration/administration.html
It can apparently take up a decent amount of space depending on how many communities you subscribe to.
https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ansible
There you go, enjoy
I do that on my own instance too :D, private and small instances are really the way to go!
I’m worried about the search function. Every post ever made?
search actually works here.
already better than old reddit.
That’s been a shocker, yeah.
Theres hope
