The IDF revealed on Friday, what it described as intelligence showing a Hamas command center located under a the Shifa Hospital in Gaza City. In a briefing, Rear Admiral Daniel Hagari told members of the foreign press corps that there are areas in the hospitals that are used by Hamas to direct its military operations.
I wonder how many people understand what this was.
Oh, well if IDF reveals it, it’s gotta be true . . .
What do you mean?
It’s not like they could have faked the audio recording of two anonymous people saying it’s definitely happening…
I mean sure, if they wanted to they could send in ground forces and capture the hospital they could prove that infrastructure exists, but why do that when they can just collapse the hospital and kill all the patients too?
Sending ground forces straight into the center of Gaza isn’t as simple as you make it seem. The place is booby trapped and has a labyrinth of tunnels full of armed terrorists just waiting to kill Israeli soldiers in the name of Allah or some shit.
They can’t just stroll in and take a look under the hospital.
Even if true, does it justify bombing and killing everyone in that hospital?
That’s the thing
Hamas is awful for putting military installations near civilian infrastructure, and the Israeli military is awful for bombing indiscriminately despite their advanced military tech and resources.
We don’t need to pick one or the other
Im not sure if i would blame Israel. If someone was barricaded next door to you taking people off the streets, taking pot shots over the fence and holding human shields you would want something done too. Unfortunately, while any action taken should miniseries danger to non-combatants they are literally in the line of fire.
They tried blockades and cutting power, but everyone complained at that too. What are you meant to do when your opponent is deliberately trying to make you kill civilians to get rid of them?
Take precautions and don’t indiscriminately bomb civilian population creating the next generation of people that will fight you.
You know what would keep you from killing civilians?
A ceasefire.
You mean like every other ceasefire that was “agreed” in history that never lasted, had another attack and started all over again.
Those ceasefire?
Yes, those ceasefires! The ones that let non-combatants escape, aid to reach the dead and dying, humanitarian efforts to make headway even if only for a short time.
non combatants escape - Hamas is deliberately holding civilians where they can act as shields. They aren’t letting their only protection go.
Aid to reach dying - Hamas is taking it and holding it, it won’t reach those in need. Any aid that crosses will end up in the hands of those who want to prolong the conflict.
Humanitarian efforts to make headway - im not holding hope for any meaningful headway without coming under attack or theft, and would not be surprised if Hamas took aid workers as hostages.
I want you to be correct, but none of the history tells me that any civilians will benefit while Hamas is there and foreign (not necessarily Israeli) forces are not there to make it happen.
~40k Hamas fighters in Gaza can’t hold the other 99.9% non combatants population hostage. This is an excuse to lump all Palestinians in with the Hamas fighters.
Flour was allowed in to feed the people then one of the only remaining bakeries in Gaza was bombed. What is that but an attempt to starve the people of Gaza. Again maybe 1 in 1000 people is Hamas so 999 people have to starve to cut off Hamas?
How about Westbank, where there is no Hamas. Why are they bombing Palestinians in the Westbank if this is all about Hamas and taking them out?
By the rules of war? Yes, absolutely. You could even make an argument that the Geneva Convention would encourage the bombing of this hospital as a way to deter future actors from attempting a similar war crime.
This picture reminds me of something…
So this is a hospital IDF is admitting they bombed?
hey that means we should just bomb it down!
No this is why they’re doing the ground invasion.
Although they did collapse some tunnels with “sponge bombs” that have expanding foam rather than explosives.
Have they already used the sponge bomb? Or not yet?
This looks so fake, holy shit. Apparently Hamas has a red barrel room straight out of every video game.
Not only is it not fake, it’s been known for some time, and Amnesty did a whole piece of how Hamas tortures dissidents there.
I don’t see anything there about Hamas punkers looking like an graphic design intern, who plays an excessive amount of FPS games, quickly threw the design together in Garry’s Mod.
I’m not sure how you think this is criticism.
Are you saying you’d be happier if the IDF released a Blizzard Cinematic of the tunnels? Why?
I’d be happier if it doesn’t look obviously faked. Like you have the gun wall room with rockets littering the floor, then you have the terrorist video room and the video game red barrel room. All in a weird concrete structure. Like it looks like they just got some random to throw it together, it’s Russian propaganda levels of lazy.
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It’s not a fake video; it’s obviously a representation of a base. I don’t know what you are getting at. Did you not realize this when the camera moved through the earth?
It’s a representation of a Garry’s Mod level. I don’t doubt Hamas has bases in tunnels but the base depicted looks so obviously faked, the rooms in it look straight out of a video game. It’s like the Israeli government told a video game addicted intern to make up a Hamas bases in Garry’s Mod to send to the media.
“This is an illustration of Shifa hospital and the underground facilities. I want to repeat, this is only an illustration. We will not share here the true material that we have in our hands. This is only an illustration.” - The dude doing the press conference.
Yea, it’s an illustration of nothing real. Like Hamas doesn’t even have cement, what’s depicted in the video is as close to real life as if they had just shown a Doom level. What is the point of illustrating your imagination of what’s there?
Oh so they’re admitting that they bombed the hospital now? Well thanks IDF for proving that we should never believe anything you say ever again. Free Palestine!
There are, in fact, multiple hospitals in Gaza. This logic is not particularly challenging.
Not the same hospital
points at hospital “It’s coming right for us!”
I don’t doubt that they put them in and around hospitals, schools, mosques, and churches to try to increase civilian casualties and therefore outrage when Israel goes and strikes their enemies.
This certainly has the tone of disinformation released by a state intelligence agency. Justification after the fact for brutal hospital bombings.
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The “underground terror network” propaganda everyone keeps pushing really loses it’s momentum when someone brings up the severe lack of cement in Gaza due to Israeli trade restrictions. Speculative evidence of tunnels under hospitals does not allow justification of bombing those hospitals.
Fun fact: The shortages in Gaza are because Hamas keeps all the money and supplies for their “war effort”
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/gaza-plagued-poverty-hamas-no-shortage-cash-come-rcna121099
This is because, as their charter states, Hamas views all Palestinians as martyrs to the cause, and not only doesn’t care if they live or die, they actively encourage civilian deaths. Sometimes at gunpoint.
Also the tunnels are not speculation. They are the entire reason the ground assault is happening. They’re extremely well documented, and tunnel networks have been in the area for literally thousands of years
Are you copying and pasting the same reply as someone else? I swear I keep seeing this exact reply on anything to do with Israel / Palestine, but it doesn’t show up in your post history (as far back as I could be bothered going anyway).
No, it’s being said a lot because its both deplorable and true. And every time someone learns about it for the first time they assume that no self respecting person could know about Hamas’ crimes and still support Hamas.
Do Israeli leaders know that when a terrorist uses “human shields,”, you aren’t supposed to kill the “human shields”? You’re supposed to prove you’re better than the terrorist by valuing civilian life.
“Human shields” in quotes because they seem to think Hamas using tunnels makes all of Gaza a human shield. But if you value human life on the x and y axis and kill civilians on the z axis, you’re still a war criminal. Real life is 3D.
