I’m living in a shitty, unsafe area. DST in the fall means it gets darker sooner, not safe to go out, get stuff done. The pepper spray comes out earlier. By December, gets dark at 430pm, and I’m like wtf, seriously?
I don’t care. I am totally fine with switching time
It would be cool if we all commited sucide
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On the count of 3?
DST in the winter would suck so much. Think of all the worsened seasonal depressive disorders (aka winter depression). If the alternative would mean an increase in suicide numbers I will gladly endure the annoyance of changing my clocks twice a year.
Then again if we could abolish DST - yeah I’d be down for that. But too many people think getting rid of standard time will make our winters more like our summers. But it won’t. It will make them worse. Our biology isn’t meant to wake up three hours before sunrise.
I don’t understand – wouldn’t it be better to have an extra hour of daylight in the evening through winter? For me, the most depressing thing about the clocks falling back is that the sun is setting an hour earlier, not that it’s rising an hour earlier.
Waking up and starting the day in darkness is even more detrimental to mental health than spending the evening in the dark, because light stimulation in the morning is what actually aligns our inner clock. DST all year round would shift our circadian rhythm and social time further apart, worsening sleeping problems and affective disorders.
But don’t take my word for it - there are many smarter people than me who actually researched this. For example:
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0748730419854197
I hate changing the time, but I’ll be honest, as a night owl, I kinda love how early it gets dark
Oh, thats why my cat was being extra annoying this morning
I don’t really care which we stick with, but we should pick one, summer time or winter time, and then stick with it. Or split the difference, I don’t care. Let’s all set the clocks a half-hour off and stay there forever. But the additional complication of changing all clocks and fucking with everyone’s rhythms is frankly just cruel.
If YOU want more light in the “morning,” YOU wake up at nine rather than eight. If YOU want more light in the evening, YOU go to bed at 9 rather than 10. This doesn’t have to be an “all of us” thing.
If you really care that much about it, you’re free to pick one rhythm and stick with it all year through. A work mate of mine did exactly this a few years ago. This doesn’t have to be an “all of us” thing.
Most people doesn’t have a choice when to wake up, as they need to get to work.
Even though I hate that it gets dark sooner, I think we should stay in winter time because AFAIK morning light is important for our health.
This is what collective bargaining power is for.
Seems like nonsense to me to change time every six months
Its rubbish and we should just stay in summertime. Yet another daylight hour stolen in the evening
What the hell, why not stay in standard time? I don’t like having to get out of bed while it’s still dark outside. It’s already bad with everything being dark outside at 8am in winter, doesn’t need to be made even worse.
When we would permanently go to summer time, I will do everything one hour later than now.
I understand your point, but can you guarantee that schools and work for all the other people will also start one hour later? If just a single person does everything one hour later that’s not gonna solve the issue and if everybody does it then you might as well stick to standard time.
In the morning and while I am at work I don’t really care for the conditions outside. By 8 its daylight here no matter the summer or wintertime. But what I care for is going outside in the evening, doing sports in the forest, go cycling and enjoy nature. Its hard doing that when it is dark when I finish working. Other geographic regions might prefer winter time, I personally prefer sommertime
Just to be pedantic, as I found it really interesting when I realised, it’s actually 5 months winter time and 7 months summer.
In the US states that still do this nonsense, it’s 8 months on daylight saving time (summer time), and just four months on so-called “standard time.” We should just stay on summer time all year at this point.
We were so close to being rid of it last year. The Senate unanimously Apprived the “The Sunshine Protection Act” which would of gotten rid of the fall back period we experience in November. But Congress never brought it to a vote so it never became law.
I would love for CEST to end. It should just stick to whichever timezone is giving you noon when the sun is at it’s highest point.
Doesn’t work that great in really wide timezones. Where do you measure noon from? The east? The middle?
On average I suppose, and of course there’s more than just the sun’s position to think of. You also want to be in sync with neighboring countries to make sure people don’t have to change their clock every time they cross a border.
For where I live, summertime puts the sun at it’s highest point at around 13:20 while wintertime is 12:20. My country (Netherlands) is small enough not to have any significant difference between east and west.
But when you look over the wider timezone:
Location Wintertime Summertime Fisterra, Spain (most western) 13:20 14:20 Paris 12:34 13:34 Rome 11:53 12:53 Berlin 11:50 12:50 Warsaw 11:23 12:23 Nowosady, Poland (most eastern) 11:09 12:09 Vadsø, Norway (even more eastern) 10:44 11:44 I took those most eastern and western as an estimate, but the difference would be negligible with other nearby towns. Time of highest point is for today.
It’s a big timezone when you look at the differences. During summer time the most extreme differences from sun’s highest point would be between
+00:09-+02:20hours. For wintertime it would be-00:51-+1:20hours, with the average much closer to noon. So yes, for my timezone, I would say wintertime is the best choice if you want noon to match the sun’s highest point.Oh no… see what you did, you brought out the nerd in me :)
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So I just noticed Norway has that little strip even further to the east. To make it completely fair, if you take Vadsø in account, the difference would be-00:16-+02:20to-01:16-+01:20hours. With winter time noon, on average, most closely in sync with the highest point of the sun.
I fucking hate the changing of the clock for the season. I wish it was banned across the planet. It’s stupid and statistically shows it’s bad for traffic, deadly to older people, especially men, and generally bad for businesses.
Elaborate on “especially men.”
Specifically, I’m assuming they’re talking about the change in spring when we lose an hour overnight. That morning is pretty deadly, statistically. The lack of sleep causes car accidents, heart attacks, and strokes. The stress lack of sleep puts on the body is no joke, and when it hits most of the population all at once, people die. And I’m assuming men are more likely to suffer from heart attacks maybe?
I feel like everyone’s complaining too much about it, it really doesn’t matter that much and I think people only care because they’re told to. I don’t take this position seriously it sounds like a joke.
Yes please. Permanent DST would be nice. I hate it being pitch black at 4pm. Not to mention adjusting sleeping patterns.
No wonder I feel like I missed an hour of sleep. I never remember when this shit happens now that every clock I own is connected to the internet and changes automatically.
That’s really the only thing I hate about it. If we didn’t do it, eventually it would be dark at noon.
In my country, we “fall back” in the fall and get an extra hour of sleep. Springtime is when we lose an hour. Is it the opposite where you are?
No I really enjoy it being dark at 4pm. /s
Yes, we should stay at winter time.
I think you mean Standard Time?
Winter time is when the clock is set back one additional hour, ie -2h when compared to Summer Time (a.k.a. Daylight Saving Time).It’s weird that it’s standard time considering more of the year is spent in summer time.
We call standard time winter time here. I just complained about it to my wife yesterday, that we are NOT switching to winter time. We are switching back to standard time.
But everybody calls it winter time.
