The letter posted on Israeli journalist Amit Segal channel to 184,000 followers says that “the nation of Israel will stand up bravery to strike at its enemies,” according to a translation of the Hebrew. It goes on to justify targeting sites even “when the enemy hides behind a human shield.”
This is the best summary I could come up with:
An Israeli journalist has shared a letter he says has been signed by dozens of rabbis which states there would be no religious prohibition for Israel’s forces to strike a hospital that contained “the enemy.”
The missive, posted on Monday on the Telegram channel of prominent media figure Amit Segal, is addressed to Israeli Prime Minister Benyamin Netanyahu and mentions by name the Al-Shifa hospital in Gaza City which is the strip’s largest medical complex.
Israel has sent its forces into Hamas-controlled Gaza following weeks of air and artillery strikes and has vowed to wipe out Hamas amid a growing civilian death toll and desperate humanitarian crisis as food, fuel, drinking water and medicine run short.
Israel has said that key Hamas operations are taking place within underground tunnels below Al-Shifa, Gaza’s largest hospital, as well as Al-Quds, which has been explicitly ordered several times to evacuate.
But the World Health Organization Director General Dr. Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus has said that under international humanitarian law, “healthcare must always be protected,” as he urged Israel to rescind its evacuation order against Al-Quds Hospital.
Mads Gilbert, a Norwegian doctor, told the outlet Democracy Now in an article published on Monday that in the 16 years he had worked on and off at Al-Shifa hospital, he had seen no evidence that it was a Hamas command center.
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That’s not very pious of them.
Sometimes a pat on the back from god is all you need to keep committing war crimes. Chosen people choosing people.
Chosen people choosing people.
…to kill.
Why is the US supporting a country that’s fighting a religious war?I don’t care what people believe but when they implement those beliefs to harm others, that’s wrong.
I don’t care what people believe
I used to take this stance too, but then I heard Matt Dillahunty say something that really stuck with me (paraphrasing here):
Beliefs matter because it is the beliefs that inform our actions, and it is our actions that shape the world we all have to live within.
Once I heard that I decided I was no longer just an atheist, but was profoundly ANTI-theist. There is absolutely no chance that there can be broad adoption of a secular humanist social philosophy as long as there is political control being asserted via religious institutions.
It will never happen, full stop. Anyone who says otherwise is lying to themselves, and either unintentionally enabling or directly supporting the continued mass delusions of large swaths of the human population. It is imperative that this not be allowed to continue for the survival of our species. It is that fucking serious in my opinion.
Why is the US supporting a country that’s fighting a religious war?
Continuing national traditions!
Half of the Old Testament is just the ancient Israelites going around and committing war crimes. Numbers and Joshua are particularly bad. Like the battle of Jericho, where they killed every human, ox, sheep, and donkey in the city and then wrote a kid’s song about it
Actually, it’s probably quite pious of them. Old Testament God was not really one for mercy and was pretty big on obliterating your foes.
There’s a part in there about a king asking someone to bring him 400 or some foreskins to prove he was a mighty warrior.
Like just straight up “go kill hundreds of non Jewish people and chop off the tip of their dicks as a flex”.
Every single Abrahmic religion started out as a violent cult that wanted to extreminate everyone else one, and every one of those religions still have right wing extremists that think those were the good ole days. And they all want to say criticizing their lust for violence is bigotry against all of their religion
Israel hates hospitals and wants to bomb them. US supports Israel because fuck healthcare.
Healthcare infrastructure is clearly where all the socialists and dope smokers are hanging out.
Proof once again that church and state should be kept far, far away from one another.
Fuck anyone who uses religion to excuse murder. The world would be a better place without your “gods”.
As Ricky Gervais said, (paraphrasing) do Abrahamic religions believe in any of the hundreds of gods before their one god? Well I don’t believe in just one more.
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That is really messed up
It’s important to acknowledge that these rabbis are fucking assholes and also that quite a few rabbis didn’t sign this letter (it was signed by dozens of rabbis, which isn’t a very large proportion). Religious leaders are people just like the rest of us and while they usually contain a larger proportion of empathic and “good” people… that certainly isn’t a universal rule (Source: grew up in Boston in the 90s).
I hope their congregations see them for the assholes they are and kick them to the fucking curb.
Also, the title skips the important context of Hamas’ pattern of using human shields and operating out of schools and hospitals. The rabbis aren’t just saying “c’mon Bibi, let’s go murder some sick folks, nurses, and doctors!”
It’s possible for both sides to be wrong, a nuance that Lemmy sometimes misses. Also notable that most Palestinians don’t support Hamas
You always talk about Geneva Conventions / International Humanitarian Law: If someone hides behind civilians, even in hospitals, then that building is a legitimate target. This IS actual International Humanitarian Law.
Even if you don’t like it.
from the article:
Mads Gilbert, a Norwegian doctor, told the outlet Democracy Now in an article published on Monday that in the 16 years he had worked on and off at Al-Shifa hospital, he had seen no evidence that it was a Hamas command center.
He said that if as Israel claims, it is a mixed military-civilian target, “the civilian precautions take priority over the military. So, in accordance with the Geneva Convention, you can’t bomb hospitals, unless they have very clear military functions.”I just call things murder and war crimes. As @Riccosuave pointed out, you seem much more concerned with trying to justify these actions. Please do let the doctor in that hospital know as well so he can plan his (military?) funeral accordingly.
I have no idea what you are talking about.
I know, I’ve been trying to help you.
Maybe you should begin by helping yourself? My little hatemonger 😘
I already told you I go to therapy. I’m unashamed for that as anyone should be.
I like that you’ve given me a pet name but it just feels forced and inorganic. Like if we went to a party together and you said it, I don’t know if I would get that your talking to me. Can we workshop it and then we’ll do yours?
And you are on almost every single post saying some of the most deranged shit on all of Lemmy about this conflict.
Every day I know I’m going to see something from you that is going to up the ante on justifying human suffering so you can get your rocks off.
Then block me - it is as easy as that to stay in your echo chamber.
You conveniently forget that Hamas brought all those deaths on the Palestinian civilians. Hamas NEEDS all those pictures and videos of dead civilians, so they chose to put their launch sites/storages/command centers in or near civilian buildings - and of course they dress like civilians.
You seem to know exactly what a morally upright person like yourself would do, if it was in Israel’s shoes. So tell us: What would YOU personally do, to stop the still constant terror attacks by Hamas and also to free the hostages?
Someone call @dumdum666 a whaaa-mbulance, so he can go get all that pro-genocide crying checked out. Please do make sure to consult which hospital is a safe/non-military target before the driver leaves though. Otherwise things could get awkward…
… writes the armchair activist, probably from an US american suburb, that condones Hamas Terror attacks against civilians, as long as they are Israelis.
So maybe you should come to the Hospital as well?
We don’t use the hospital here for different reasons. If I’m an armchair activist then what are you?
What I am? Someone that is quite intolerant of Intolerance and Hate. Of which you are spreading quite a lot.
I’m not the one excusing civilian murders pal. How am I spreading hate?
These motherfuckers have watched Speed too many times.
Assholes. Hope their beards get caught in their zippers.
It is really weird to see some of the commentators get riled up about the Hamas Israel war, while being completely UNTOUCHED for instance by the war in Syria.
What exactly makes the Hamas Israel war different for you?
Is it, because it flamed up just recently?
Is it, because you are personally involved somehow because of friends / family?
Have you always had strong beliefs for/against Israel?
Something else?
whataboutism much?
I am honestly interested what makes this war different.
You want to know the difference between a (arab spring) civil war against a self imposed monarchy and a campaign of retribution genocide that is attempting to push an enclosed majority civilian population into a neighboring country under threat of annihilation?
US Troops had this same dilemma during WWII. Germans housed in hospitals and churches had to be removed. They were and sometimes at high cost.
Another religion of peace. Judaism. Why are all abrahamic religions such a scourge on this planet?
If there really is a military command center built beneath a hospital? Yeah, sure. And you should blame the people who put it there.
