No matter how left you are, there’s someone lefter.
And they think you’re a Nazi.
There’s just no talking to them, they will actively search for something you said to be mad about.
You know the modlog is public right?
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Don’t hunt for echo chambers. Hunt for refining your rhetoric so you can make allies no matter where you end up. Seeking echo chambers is simply defeatist reactionary behavior. Voices of all types will not be permitted in certain areas. Especially if you’re randomly spouting off things that you want agreed with.
Are you an intelligent leftist looking for allies, or a reactionary looking for an echo chamber? If it’s the former, then be happy: You don’t have to waste your time proselytizing there if you know you’ll get banned for it there. If it’s the latter, be happy: now you know it’s not your echo chamber.
Are you intelligent? Then why were you bringing up a 30+ year old tragedy in WorldNews? Tiananmen Square has not been news for decades. Yes, there has been many tragedies since, even tragedies that share many hallmarks. Though you using as evidence that your banning was unjust is… simply inadequate.
It’d make perfect sense if you were constantly proselytizing and comparing everything to China.
I believe you have the best of intentions with this comment, but there are literal north korea fanboys up in here, and they’re rude af. Discourse is not a thing.
Something something don’t be so open minded that your brains fall out.
Yeah, that’s working out so well in the U.S. right now. This reeks of the ‘my uninformed opinion is just as valid as your years of scientific education’ attitude that is pervasive in right wing circles right now.
I’d also point out, the only reason people mention Tiananmen Square at all is bcz China tries so hard to censor that particular event in their history, and it is very significant there.
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You get a 28day ban for parroting a nazi meme, I got a permanent ban from all of lemmyworld for saying “anticommunism = profascism”
“anticommunism = profascism” is probably the dumbest thing I’ve seen today, but you shouldn’t be banned for stupid takes
Anti-communism is absolutely a dogwhistle that fascists use, generally when naming organizations or movements. See “Rock Against Communism” etc.
This isn’t universally the case though
Name a time a communist country was overthrown that didn’t involve liberals organizing fascists to do their dirty work for them.
Name a single time.
are you saying every communist state that has fallen, has fallen to fascism?
They’re the type that believes everyone but Trotsky and Marx is a nazi, don’t bother taking them seriously.
I was just confused on why they implied communism always becomes fascism
Well if you’re serious:
Name a time a communist country was overthrown that didn’t involve liberals organizing fascists to do their dirty work for them.
Name a single time.
He’s talking about the US gov (Liberals), backing coups by not actual nazis but simply people who don’t like communism (locals who support capitalism.) It’s just flavour he puts on the world to make his anger sandwich more tasty.
Not a dude and can you name an example where the US didn’t fund any fascists and a communist country was overthrown?
By flavor, you just mean lying?
The US gov isnt liberal, even by the definition tankies use. And not liking communism isnt fascism.
No, but all times a communist country has been overthrown fascists were used by liberals in order to facilitate that.
Can you name a single instance where that is untrue? Just one?
Gotta stop confusing CCP supporters for leftists
Being new to Lemmy I’m very taken back by the amount of communist supporters everywhere. Where my capitalist bros at?
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I’ve put some thought into how to respond to this but I just can’t get past “capitalism bros” so I’ll just say this, you can criticize the current market economy system most of the west has without being a full on communist. And those that are content with capitalism aren’t going to go out of their way to be a “capitalism bro”. So of course dissenting voices to the current status quo are going to be amplified here. Try to learn from others perspectives instead of seeking validation
I meant that light heatedly but I see how that could come across as an immature comment. I guess where I’m coming from and failed to articulate in a constructive way is that I’m surprised there’s so much support for communism when likely most of the people on here live in capitalist societies that though have issues still allow them enough freedom to make those statements without fear of punishment.
They’re on exploding-heads.
Lemmy is a community hosted system, and a lot of the user base came here after leaving other platforms (mostly reddit) because of the owners making it worse and worse trying to copy other platforms like tiktok.
And you’re wondering why everyone here has problems with capitalism.
That’s not even mentioning the other huge problems with capitalism.
What?
FOSS is great, I like the idea of people from all over the world contributing towards software that benefits the user rather than the creator.
I fail to see how that equates to “communism good” though. That’s a huge leap in thinking. Really weird when surely most people on here live and benefit from capitalist societies.
“you say capitalism but yet you live under capitalism, checkmate” doesn’t really work, because you don’t just get to choose the economic system you live in
Sure, capitalism has brought significant improvements to quality of life, but given that the systems that preceded it were largely feudalism and subsistence farming, that’s not really a high bar.
And it certainly doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t continue to develop economic and social systems that are even more equitable.
I fail to see how that equates to “communism good” though.
The problem is that very few people make the decisions that impact everyone on the platform, which ends up meaning “capitalism bad”. Fixing that problem with a system that’s basically owned by users is sort of like making the system communist.
surely most people on here live and benefit from capitalist societies.
Sure, they live in capitalist societies, but do they honestly benefit from it being capitalist more than they would from it being communist or socialist? Are they really better off in a system that inherently increases inequality rather than decreasing it?
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You’re not even federated with the tanky instances…
I give you a hint: lemmy is a decentralized, non commercial platform. The cap*talists are still on r*ddit
The captalists are still on rddit
Not all of us.
Gotta stop pretending “left” and “right” are useful labels to apply to politics too.
c/iamverysmart
They are useful, but as any other category they can be instrumentalized.
Especially “horseshoe” politics. Leftist just means centrist.
Horseshoe theory is basically regarded as nonsense by anyone that knows about politics.
It’s pretty much only parroted as alt-right propaganda these days
I’ve always liked a 2 axis spectrum. Social ownership/ private ownership on one axis. Authoritarian / libertarian on the other.
They aren’t useless, but they are pretty broad strokes that will always have a use as long as we’re talking about any de facto two party states (e.g. those with FPTP voting systems).
It’s also worth remembering that the population of one country’s idea of left wing politicians might actually end up being right wing elsewhere (for instance, people in the US saying their democratic party are lefty when in most of Europe they would be considered center-right or just plain right-wing).
That’s not what makes the terms useful.
US Democrats aren’t left and the term is still useful in European politics.
I’m not really saying what makes them useful, that’s a long list. I was more going for saying they’re not useless, but are potentially pretty ambiguous without additional context due to how people use them.
Please elaborate how “equality” and “hierarchy” based policies aren’t useful labels for politics anymore.
You’re right
The current situation is certainly making that clear.
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avoid lemmy.ml, lemmygrad and hexbear
Which of the two?
They’re all over hexbear and lemmygrad
Did you see that lemmy.world has re-federated with hexbear and lemmygrad again?
They haven’t though? I just checked the list of blocked instances and they are both still there.
@stankmut@lemmy.world is correct, they’re not federated. Hexbear just has multiple irrelevant urls on the allow list. No clue why you thought lemmygrad was on their allow list, though.
Who in their right mind would do that? Oh, right, the Lemmy.world guys are fucking morons. They also blocked !piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com a few months ago, for no real reason.
Omg drama!!!
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According to the political compass, authoritarians are up-ists.
This comment doesnt make sense. I think its time for you guys to brush up on the difference between leftist and liberal left. CCP and leftist have the same agenda.
China is a corporatist authoritarian state. Basically late stage capitalism with a bunch of steps skipped. Corporations married to the government. Where the right wing in America is headed.
CCP supporters = wumao
The irony is that the only Lemmy instances blocked in China are the tanky ones.
I think it takes 5 minutes on lemmy to find it’s not a leftist place
Sometimes I miss the pre reddit migration times.
Lemmy is developed by tankies who deny anything bad china has ever done.
kbin isn’t ;)
It is open source though, which gives people the option to use the product without any connection to the original people that developed it
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I honestly didn’t though about the yellow thing… just about the resemblance in the way of walking and poses as the meme originate from. But I will refrain from using it from now to not fall into that trap. I will compare it to a toaster from now.
@Starshader
Winnie the Pooh isn’t yellow. That was done to him by lazy Disney coloring artists in the fifties. That’s capitalism for ya ;)
Never apologize for what you call a dictator, unless you call him a friend.
@velox_vulnusIt? I sure hope you aren’t talking about a human person.
English seems to be their second language, tbf
Everything I don’t like is actually racism
yeah except no, only hexbear in the past year or so has suddenly decided that winnie insult is racist, when it started in china because that mofo looks exactly like winnie and because his tyrant ass self banned all mention or image of winnie the pooh in reponse it barbara streisanded to the worldwide zeitgeist. it was never about race, it was always about tyrannical overreach.
Looking at the modlog (which is public info, you just have to log on to the web ui and scroll down to the bottom).
3 days ago mod Banned
@Starshader@lemmy.ml from the community World News@lemmy.ml reason: Racism expires: in 27 days
Does it provide a link to the comment or its content? I get why it might not but I’m curious…
In this case, it does not. But if the comment was removed, there wouldn’t be anything to link to anyway.
When a mod bans a user, there’s a checkbox to remove content automatically, which makes sense, if it’s bad enough to merit a ban, there’s no way the comment stays.
If the comment itself were simply removed, you would see a copy paste of it in the modlog.
if it’s bad enough to merit a ban, there’s no way the comment stays.
If you can’t be a good example, you can still be a dire warning.
Didn’t know that racism can expire.
It probably won’t, but everyone needs an opportunity to learn. :)
I for one cannot wait for racism to expire.
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Yeah, I had a feeling it was the dot ML domain…
You got to be a leftiest to be in a leftiest place, and you’re clearly just a reactionary.
none of their posts make them appear like a reactionary, just this one winnie the pooh thing that only hexbear has decided makes you definitely a right winger.
because it’s fucking racist dude. the whole joke is yellow man bad.
The joke is the dictator man looks like Winnie the Pooh (but more importantly is offended by it). The fact Winnie the Pooh is yellow is incidental but unfortunately makes the joke appetising to racists too. It doesn’t mean everyone that jokes about Xi Jinping being Winnie the Pooh means everyone is using it as a racist stand-in.
Before someone points out that it started as a racist meme - if that is true (which I have no idea), it doesn’t change much. Most people making the joke are oblivious to the racism element.
Now, it’s a perfectly valid point to make about it being a racist charicature. The trouble is most people don’t separate the nuance with “Criticise & laugh at the dictator man all you like, just please don’t propogate a racist stereotype.” and so instead it looks like they’re just defending a dictator.
And… well, I don’t really need to explain why people defending dictators are going to get ignored, do I?
Tell me why he looks like Winnie The Pooh without saying it’s his eyes and skin. It’s entirely impossible to defend the racist caricature because Winnie The Pooh has like 4 distinguishing features and half of them are applied only because the man is Chinese. There are no deep insights to be found in a 2D character. Winnie The Pooh doesn’t have the same amount of forehead wrinkles, he doesn’t have the same curve on his nose, his ears aren’t even similar. So what features of Winnie The Pooh makes you believe he looks like Xi Jinping?
Ok, it really sounds like you are stuck in the skin color as an easy way to say it is racist but like… He kinda looks similar
Like it’s not hard to see where people are pulling it from, sure it’s meant to be inflammatory and hurtful but you have a somewhat heavy set man with big chubby cheeks and tiny lips, a buttony nose that almost looks like Winnie the Pooh’s upside down if it was flesh toned. His pupils are incredibly dark but small giving the same sort of small eyes underneath curving eyebrows.
And to wrap it all together Xi wears high wasted pants trying to cover his pot belly that almost looks like he is wearing a short shirt that puts it on display. They do look like… Just a little alike. Like Elijah wood and Daniel Radcliffe, they don’t really look alike but also it’s not hard to see why people put the 2 together. Especially with the right photo or look.Is it meant to be a bit insulting to compare him to a pantless stuffed bear… Yeah. Duh. But dude Winnie the Pooh is adorable and if he leaned into that he could have been seen as a sweet softie instead of a guy who’s will jail people for saying it.
Yeah happened to me as well. Got banned for openly criticizing Chinas form of government. Winnie Pooh doesn‘t like that.
Oh right. ML is more tolerable than the other Tankie prefixes, but still has an abundance of them.
Idk, it seems like OP is working on a pretty flimsy epistemology
I’ll ignore the fact that you’re lying about what got you banned for this response.
Even the western far right media has moved on from the original Tiananmen narrative, which it acknowledges was false. The actual events played out more accurately to exactly what China has always said they were.
The only people still pushing the original shit are anticommunists and racists because it’s more convenient to their goals to perpetuate it.
Try actually listening and learning the actual facts from people in the left and then you won’t run into this problem. You’re getting banned and ridiculed by actual leftists because you’re further right and less educated on this topic than the fucking media of far right conservative tories ffs.
This is what happens when you get your political education from fucking reddit.
Learn properly: https://archive.ph/24zzF
This is a bad argument, the telegraph reports something that someone said based on incomplete information at the time and suddenly their take is worth something because it agrees with your own views?
The telegraph reports on the leaked cables from wikileaks which confirm that diplomats had no reason to believe a massacre was happening, if you’re going to debatelord at least pretend you finished reading.
'even tory shitheads have given up on this line, why are ‘leftists’ pushing it?
Why would anyone give a shit what tories value or dont value? They dont trade in facts.
the british conservative party, famous fans of the Communist Party of China, who are well known for pushing pro-china news stories
It doesnt matter if theyre pro or anti anything. They just dont deal in fact.
They dont stop pushing a narrative because it turned out to be false, they stop if they think it wont bring immediate monetary gains.
What the tories talk about is a measure of what the current grift is for quick cash, not what stories are factual or inaccurate.
The fact that the Tories are reporting on it doesn’t make it a measure of if it’s true or not- they’re reporting on something from wikileaks which directly contradicts the entire western narrative. They’re certainly not doing it because it’s ideologically consistent with their goals.
Media and news reporting is going to be heavily filtered by what advertisers will tolerate- which isn’t necessarily going to be factual or accurate either.
None of that matters if its from the mouth of a tory, dude
If a tory is speaking, it is to trick you into giving them money. You cannot say “this has to be true/false, because the tories said …”
If a tory said it, it was a ploy for cash. Nothing to do with anyone elses ideologies or goals, or reality.
You’re just embarrassing.
See this is just a complete refusal to engage with the topic or learn anything. Have you grown as a human being at all in the last 10 years or did you just decide one day that you have achieved political nirvana and there is never anything else you need to understand or expand your knowledge of? Your refusal to actually learn anything is a deep character flaw and a huge personal failure.
I’m going to repost something from @Alaskaball@hexbear.net, maybe you’ll read some of it.
The Chinese description of the events leading up to and the day of the protests are very probably the closest thing to accurate that exists.
Numerous military buses, trucks, armored vehicles, and tanks being burned by the “peaceful” protesters. Sometimes the soldiers were allowed to escape, and sometimes they were brutally killed by the protesters. Numerous protesters were armed with Molotov cocktails and even guns.
The official report of the Chinese government from 1989 (translated here) shows that more than 1000 military and police vehicles were burned by rioters. And 200+ soldiers and policemen were murdered. Just imagine how much restraint the military and the police had shown.
Wait, how could the protesters kill so many soldiers? Because, until the very end, Chinese soldiers were unarmed. Most of the times, they didn’t even have helmets or batons.
What exactly happened in Beijing in 1989 that lead to this bloody affair?
The answer lies with two key figures: General Secretary Hu Yaobang, and Ambassador James Lilley.
Hu Yaobang was a member of the communist party of China and was one of the three major rightist-reformers that set China on the path its on today, the other two being Zhao Ziyang, and Deng Xiaoping respectively. Hu Yaobang as a reformer was also a spokesman for the intelligentsia and by the end of his life was well-beloved by the youth of China (we’re talking below 30 here, folks) therefore when he passed away the youth of China organized public grieving events with the largest occurring in Beijing. This is to say if Hu didn’t die from old age that year, none of this would’ve happened that year. This is to also say this event had nothing to do with “freedom” or “democracy” or whatever pigshit your favorite rush limburger propagandist spoon feeds you, it was a funeral service that was hijacked to unseat the Chinese government - which so coincidentally is a speciality of the agency the second person we’re talking about.
Ambassador James Lilley, the son of an american expat oil executive for Standard Oil, was a CIA agent operating in east Asia from 1951 to 1981 with little officially known about him (I know for a fact he’s fucked around Korea and Laos, so it’s not a stretch to say he’s likely been involved with every conflict that occured during his official career). In his “post” CIA career he’s acted as a diplomatic liason to the provice of Taiwan, a teacher to future state department ghouls, and “helped” South Korea end its military dicatorship by helping the military win the election “democratically”, and abruptly five days after the death of General Secretary Hu Yaobang James Lilley was appointed as the US Ambassador to China by also former CIA ghoul and president of the United States George H. W. Bush. What an astounding coincidence.
Oh hai
Source is hexbear, opinion ignored
Wall Street Journal, a notorious Hexbear front to push sissypee lies
Except your source is some site named worldaffairs.blog
Let’s just look that up… yep about what I expected, conspiracy drivel
she also cited and linked to all the original sources which the worldaffairs site used, packed full of famous CCP-shill state-owned-media sources like: the BBC, Reuters, the Washington Post, CBS, the Wall Street Journal, etcetera
It’s literally quoting WSJ. Some liberal thinktank complaining about it is not relevant, even less so a think tank so vapid as to tacitly equate centrism with objectivity.
You all must be the biggest fucking rubes on the planet if you’re seriously citing a site which claims that CNN has a left wing bias
How do you function? Do you just lose money on scams 24/7? (donating to your political parties counts)
I have a lot of issues with sources I know are right wing because they often spin things in ridiculous ways. Despite that, there’s so much censorship on the internet the only places to look are on the fringes or in other languages.
Would it make you feel better if I cited a blog that takes lines from other sources out of context to change the message?
I’ve had my problems with hexbear but you’re literally doing the meme of going 👉😩👈 LALALALALA when someone actually backs up their claims with sources. Like why even bother asking for sources if you’re just going to dismiss them as “bad” no matter the quality?
His sources ARE bad, is the issue. Conspiracy blogs is not what I would call worth reading lmao
Only shitty source I saw was wikileaks.
That’s the difference with you. I learn in universities, reading reports and works. Not on echo chambers on the web. I just like to argue with people on the internet in a language I don’t master while I’m in the train.
How the fuck are the sources they used “echo chambers on the Web?”
What are your sources then? Or are you just trying to invoke the idea of being so well read to cover up the fact you’re full of shit.
what’s a “primary source”?
Literally the US Army has published videos that claim they were involved in the Tiananmen protests.
These are literally reports, what the fuck are you on about?
Unlike you I actually have 2 degrees. If you engaged with this topic in this way in a university the history professor would fail you.
You don’t give a fuck about sources, evidence, or anything. You are utterly closed to new information. You are one of the most deeply propagandised people on the planet, from the most deeply propagandised population on the planet.
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This thread is fucking hilarious great job everybody
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