So that the greed can donate to kindness¯\_(ツ)_/¯
When was the last chattel slave in the US released again? 1942.
When did slavery end on a global scale again? Never.
Damn. Sounds like we traded the evils of merchantilism for the same evils under capitalism, but with a fresh coat of paint.
Now they can loot their employees wages.
The use of ‘enslaving’ here is particularly ironic here…
“Capitalism ended enslaving people” - A Black American born 71 years after the invention of Capitalism in 1865.
Dalepilled
I’m glad that there is goodness in the world as well!
It might be a bit hidden away, but I encourage y’all to look closer and feel its might! ❤
And go ahead and create some more yourself!And go ahead and create some more yourself!
Ooh, radical. I might just have to try that
❤️
OK, I’ll bite: What systems reward kindness?
Some veil of ignorance everyone is part of the ruling class for a week type stuff? Or maybe just anarcho syndicalism.
Me! Bow to me and you will be rewarded for kindness!
criminal diversion programs
Swinger clubs.
How else do you play golf?
mabye ecofashisim
Interesting. Can you say more about what that is?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecofascism?wprov=sfla1
combining it with democracy could create the best system possible
edit: extremism could be toned down alot
I like how you spelled fascism phonetically.
English is not my first language, cry
You’re welcome.
The one that is the best at mitigating greed.
Jokes aside communism is just as bad because it does nothing to prevent power from congregating at the top. The only difference is the type of corruption.
Talk to anyone who grew up in the eastern block about bread lines. Communism is a failure in comparison to capitalism.
Any sufficiently large system rewarding kindness will be taken advantage of by selfish people.
The system shouldn’t be sufficiently large then. Decentralized networks are cool.
The cutoff is between 200 and 1000 people.
So why not have a system specifically designed to mitigate greed in lieu of one that incentivizes it?
Because with capitalism, the greed is out in the open. Everyone understands it. It is clear and legal to push against the greed of those who have more.
In a system that incentivizes “virtues”, greed eill hide behind those virtues. And when you then fight against that greed, then you are accused of attacking those virtues instead.
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Capitalism is much filthier lol
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I’m a leftist but I’m not much of a fan of the Soviet Union. I’m Finnish and middle-aged so I know a bunch of people who had to escape from there and I’ve heard first-hand stories about the shit that went on, and I’ve visited Soviet Estonia who got the short end of the stick with Russian imperialism compared to us. At least we stayed independent although had to grant a lot of power over eg. our foreign policy to the Russians – ie. Soviets, but it’s not like it wasn’t essentially a Russian project since they pretty quickly forgot about korenization and went for Russification instead – to keep them from invading (again…)
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The Agrarian Revolution really was where humanity started going downhill.
So you propose an anarchy? I dont think that would go well.
Except towards other tribes. Can’t have them clear our hunting grounds, now can we?
Check out The Dawn of Everything, puts to rest a lot of the myths about prehistoric societies that we tell ourselves. Early societies were consciously experimenting with different social arrangements and they were far more peaceful and egalitarian than we usually give them credit for. Their ideas on property were vastly different than ours as well. There wasn’t really an “our hunting grounds” to speak of. If you’re interested I’ll leave this video by Andrewism about human history. It’s well sourced and pretty informative
Jericho had walls when most of the rest of humanity was nomadic hunter-gatherers.
City walls generally weren’t built because people feel safe and secure already.
I think it sort of depends on what time period we’re talking about. Jericho and other walled cities came about after a certain point. By then, there certainly were societies that lived off raiding the less nomadic agrarian societies, not very peaceful or egalitarian.
Turns out to have warring tribes you need to be organized enough to carry out a war.
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The only real solution is intentional population control. But I don’t have high hopes we ever get there though.
Everyone could have way more resources than we’d ever want to even use. But instead, we seem focused on maxing out the world population leaving the least amount possible for each person.
“Overpopulation” is a right-wing myth.
What?
You read that correctly.
Are you suggesting that there’s no limit to how many people the resources we have available to us can support?
It’s not just about systems, It’s about conditions. Certain conditions make certain strategies more profitable - see game theory. I think low population density and hard life conditions cam lead to kindness being among the winning strategies.
Yeah well we dont have any of those conditions and it would make sense to make oue life conditions harder or to lower the population density so drastically so this meme doesnt make any sense
What does this have to do with the intimidator?
There is a reason they call him the Intimidator of the Burgouis.
we haven’t tested ecofashisim yet so why not now
probably combine with democracy
and tone down extremism
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i think i may be a democratic neo-ecofascist
democratic eco-fascism does not support genocide but if you immigrate in non eco-friendly ways you shall die
Drop the fascism and we can talk.
These are the people telling you eco-communism would never work
is ‘democratic neo-ecofascism’ my creation
Let the greedy fend off for themselves in the desert and see how far it gets them.
They’ve always been handed everything, so they lack any useful survival skills, and they would definitely perish in the desert.
So I say it’s a great idea.
That’s not capitalism, lol. Modern life has left the majority of people without any real survival skills.
I can honestly say that being poor forced me to learn how to survive under adverse circumstances. Rich people lack even that. They’re completely useless to themselves and to society.
That’s not capitalism, lol.
What a snide fucking remark brimful of ignorance. I never even mentioned capitalism, yet here you are to defend it. Bootlicker or capitalist?
Edit: Dude bought a car for 35k. Rich person detected, opinion discarded.
The whole meme is about capitalism my guy XD
XXXD you don’t say well :P maybe you LOL could have replied LMAO to the post OwO itself instead of jajaja replying to me with XD sheer ignorance
Your blanket opinion of “rich people” is naive and reductionist. There are plenty of smart and capable rich people. They also have the resources to actually go out and train in hobbies, which commonly include survival shit. I’m sure whatever bullshit survivalist skills you are trying to be vague about are pale in comparison to a rich person with time and resources.
rich “people”
Ratio’ed.
You think buying a car for 35k makes me rich? You do realize that even middle class people are just as much a few missed paychecks away from being homeless just as much as you are?
Actual rich people make so much money they’ve never worked a day in their life, and they most definitely want us distracted fighting eachother instead of thinking about how they assfuck us ever day with this fucked up system.
Edit: Just to drive my point home. I grew up poor as dirt with a single mother, and eventually a drunk violent asshat step father. The only reason I have any money at all is bcz I went to university and have a decent job now.
Oh, you’re one of those rich people who think you “worked hard” for it or “deserve” it. Even worse than I thought. Blocked.
Complaining about the rich does not mean people that pay 35k for a car. This is exactly the type of attitude that keeps us proletarians stuck in the mud. A person that makes 100k a year and a person that makes zero a year are in the same class. There are the workers, and the rich capitalists. A doctor or lawyer who can buy a nice car is not ‘the rich’.
Another rich person defender? Damn, we poors don’t need your help. We’ll just take what we need from you lot. Blocked.
With every reddit-tier account I block, my experience on Lemmy keeps getting better
What does that even mean? Why are you mad at people who work just like you. I didn’t say anything about working hard for it and deserving to have what I have.
We should both be pissed at the jackass billionaires that own everything, not the people getting by just like you. My struggles may be different than yours, but that doesn’t mean I don’t understand what being poor means.
Reading through people’s comment history and judging them based on it is super toxic. Let’s leave that behavior on previous platforms? Also, $35k for a new car is unfortunately lower than average ($46k). I wouldn’t call anyone rich merely because they bought a modest car.
modest car
Thanks for outing yourself as well. Blocked.
Yes, but the ones who haven’t even had to develop modern skills are especially screwed. Don’t miss the point just because you want to be pedantic.
What fantasy land are you living in where working class individuals are learning survival skills? What the fuck is even a modern skill?
I’m well off and spend thousands of hours being a mechanic for fun. You think someone with less time and resources than me can fix their car better because they had to figure it out to get to work a few times?
You think some random dude working two jobs is going to be better prepared than a guy with the time to have a dedicated hobby?
There’s nothing pedantic about it. The comment makes no sense.
Meanwhile, the problem with communism is that it relies on everyone having aligned incentives on a nation-state level, which is a pleasant fiction and can only be achieved through authoritarian coercion.
Capitalists would argue that between capitalism and socialism, capitalism is the one that better accounts for greed, as it generally has laws to con strain it but otherwise uses it to generate all the production that’s the hallmark of modern society, division of labor, economy of scale, technological advancement, etc. Socialism doesn’t really deal with greed, it just sort of wishes it away. That’s why so many societies that have started down the socialist path have become at best poor and at worst authoritarian murder factories like the Soviet Union, Maoist China, Chavist Venezuela, the Khmer Rouge’s Cambodia, etc.
Communism quite literally exists to mitigate greed, and there is nothing stopping Capitalist countries from becoming authoritarian Murder Factories like Modern Russia, The United States, Britain, France, Belgium, and countless other examples of colonial powers that have exploited and murdered native populations. Billionaires get arrested and taxed all the time in modern China. While they almost never suffer the same fate in Capitalist countries.
No European country or the US is anything like Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge. Orders of magnitude different.
Billionaires get arrested and taxed all the time in modern China.
They don’t get arrested for the reasons you or I would arrest them, they get arrested for crossing the CCP. Billionaires do face punishment in the capitalist West.
Literally no economic system or political science yet has managed to prevent the internalised drive for familicide or authoritarian violence funnily enough, one can only hope that rationality prevails over bad thoughts, but not on the basis of civilization or self preservation, but through the collective conscience of humanity coming to understand how best to maximize the available entropy and energy within society to produce the most jobs, the most utility, the most potential sex, the most systems of funding and all other human desires.
Consider thot the US is a very rich democracy yet has many school shootings, Saudi Arabia has had to deal with corrupt funding of terrorists, China uses AI to bait people into crime and arrests people on false charges and then plays catch and release while Israel funds Hamas, imports overseas Jews and then exports violent “settlers” into the Palestinian borders.
Consider that even millionaire dictators who go on holiday will occasionally commit mass genocide. All of these bad things… Are not going to disappear because of capitalism, but we can at least say that they would become more foreseeable and preventable in a world where we have movies or stories that discuss our present these monstrosities to light
Given the choice between greed with poverty vs greed with wealth, I choose greed with wealth aka capitalism. Like I said, capitalism at least does some good with the greed. Socialism, etc. pretends it can make greed go away, but it obviously can’t.
Sidenote, a vanishingly small portion of people in the US are killed or injured in school shootings. They’re obviously bad, but when comparing societies on the societal scale, they make basically no impact.
Have you looked at Soviet Russia? They went from Feudal Backwater to Man in space within 43 years. Then Socialism was illegally overthrown against the will of the Soviet People, and all metrics fell, (Child) Prosecution, life expectancy,… There is no choice between Wealth or poverty you are born into one or the other and you are just lucky you are born in the West. Socialism always created better Economic outcomes for most people at the same level of Development as Capitalist countrys.
Everyone went from feudal backwater to something else in that era. The US was poorer than Argentina per capita. That’s not really saying that much. It’s also not saying that much because of course if you have a strong central authority you can divert resources from more valuable production toward national pride vanity projects like a space travel. What really matters is how productive your economy is, how much it can produce for its society, and on that front the US defeated the Soviet Union soundly.
I have nothing against a space program, I just don’t see that as a very strong indicator of the success of a society.
The US wasnt feudal in 1918, they where never Feudal. And they had a lot more industrial development than russia. Servdom in Russia was abolished in 1861. The US was always better economicly (for white people) because they had this industrial headstart, they werent destroyed in WW2 and the US had colonies and fought very hard to keep them. Panama, Chile,… If you want to compare a Capitalist countys with socialist ones at least pic one with a similar development level. You will soon find out that Capitalism only works for the heads of countys that are exploiting less developed countys resources and labour. Some scraps fall from the table down to the general population but only as much to keep them from revolting.
The space race on both sides created a lot of inovation that laid the ground work for among other things Computers and Satelites today.
And there is a declassified CIA document from 1983 that says that the soviet diet was potentialy better than the USs. That chaned drastically after the return to “Freedom” in Russia.
How is this a meme
Also classic lammy.ml hating everything about the west
