I’ll have you know that the fake internet points are still here and I will continue to use them to determine my worth in the eyes of my peers.
270 karma in 4 months. Cute.
Oddly enough that’s an average of 10 points per comment.
Also I can’t see total up votes in Sync, or I haven’t figured out where that is, so I don’t know if the total karma is correct, but I can see they’ve only made 27 comments in 4 months.
Boost for Lemmy (evolved from Boost for reddit) just continues to call it karma:
Are you sure boost calculates it correctly? I remember some llemming trying to do it earlier but said it wasn’t federated correctly since total karma has been a non-goal for devs.
Don’t know, don’t really care. It’s just fake internet points.
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34.099 karma in 4 months. Cute.
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It’s OK, I guess. My condolences for being stuck in Montana, though.
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For what it’s worth, you got my upvote. And I’m happy you’re happy in Montana. But, it’s not Vermont. Just saying.
Me next
2,511 karma in 3 months. Cute.
Only if you look for them. Not really in your face.
Without propaganda ?
That’s the main thing I hate about Lemmyverse is that the zealots and puritans came over too.
They always think you mean someone else when you say “please stop constantly trying to shoehorn your politics into everything”
My dude, everything is politics. Especially things like “I want a free internet” or “I don’t want to be drowning in ads” which is a huge part of the appeal of Lemmy are both DEEPLY political stances.
Actually, I’m going to add something to my last reply.
“not wanting to be drowning in ads” is in no way shape or form a political decision.
If you mean “because adverts are capitalism” then you’re part of the deeply naive problem.
It’s perfectly plausible - because it literally has happened - for people to construct a platform under our system (which is also hybrid anywat) that allows for social media to exist without adverts.
You’re literally the kind of person when I mean when I talk about trying too shoe-horn politics into things when it doesn’t belong.
I see you can’t understand the difference between zealotry and normal discussion.
“I don’t want ro drowning in ads” doesn’t have to mean “but trump is Hitler evil Jews did this blah blah everyone who isn’t of my opinion is a murderer”
Yep they said it lmao
They probably mean advertising, it’s a close word in other languages
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I’ve been around since 1959, and back then people were up in arms about the partisan divide in this country and the Vietnam conflict and the oppression of black and other races. Back then, domestic abuse was sort of commonplace, no man could be sent to jail for beating up his kids or his wife. Alcoholism was rampant back then, and drug abuse shot up dramatically. Since then, I’ve seen so much of the same play out over and over. Things have changed somewhat for the better in some ways, but to be honest - there never was a ‘good old time’ when everyone felt happy and equal and safe and protected.
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In my experience people who talk about the good old days are white and male.
It was a time when they got their way 100% and everyone else could get fucked.
More likely it was when they were kids and without adult responsibilities, or narrow/whitewashed views of the past(as from stories and shows from before their birth)
I look back at my childhood as the ‘good ole days’ mostly because of the no responsibilities thing. The more I learn about what stuff was really going on in the 90’s/2000s, the more I see there was no good ole days, just times when I was insulated from the harsh realities of the world.
There’s definitely points where things get worse.
9/11 is one of them.
I hold similar views(obviously), but I find something comforting in it. Like, rather than living in a ruined paradise lost by us or our parents, we live in a complicated world where we share the work of trying to make something better with our ancestors.
(Of course, we also have to figure out how to do that, and, in a complicated world, that can be challenging and lead to conflict)
My childhood in the 60s and 70s was idyllic, I have to admit - growing up on a private reserve with mountains all around and having woods around to play and get lost in. I loved it all - but even then I knew about the conflicts going on and how unhappy most adults seemed.
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That’s about it. I’m white and male and I’m here to tell you, there never was a ‘good old days’ unless you mean a time when white men could get away with raping and killing a young kid like Emmett Till and could butcher their families and get away with it.
I’ve been around since the 70s and I mostly agree … but on one point I disagree … the ability of humanity to wipe itself out with a nuclear exchange. Back then, even 20, 30 years ago there were a lot level headed leaders who (although we may have disagreed with them) were less radical and would be less likely to consider launching a nuclear weapon for any reason. Back then, we also had a lot of actual war veterans in the public and in government who understood the nature of war … now there are fewer of them around. Most people including those in government now don’t know what war is any more, other than to see it glorified in history books, movies and pop culture.
So the combination scares me … a society that is complacent to war yet has the weapons to cause world wide destruction if someone disagrees with them.
There is only one way that humanity will finally end - and yes, it will be by nuclear war. And it’s not very far off at all. There is no other way that the fate of humanity can go. There is such a lack of human compassion and empathy and such a desire to cause hurt, it’s just a matter of hours. So don’t think it won’t happen. There’s no other possible outcome for us at this point, none whatsoever (unless an asteroid demolishes us first, that is).
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I feel as though there was a “good old days” of the internet. Don’t get me wrong, it was a complete shit show, but it was anonymous, anyone could say anything that they wanted, and there would be few if any consequences. There were ads, but they were generally garbage animated GIFs at worst.
It wasn’t perfect, but we were free to do what we wanted on the internet, with little to no bearing on our daily lives.
Now, it’s almost expected that your online activity will be tied to you specifically. In most cases, your legal name is attached to it for everyone to see. If you try to go around without your legal name on everything, then generally you are either severely limited, or outright removed from the platform. Sigh
That’s true enough. I started working around the time computers were even a thing - back in the 70s and there was no internet, just basic DOS green screens that were very basic. It wasn’t until the mid-90s I even had a computer that had rudimentary internet access - and it was so new, there was only maybe a handful of websites you could find.
There were no cookies or trackers to watch what you were doing online, but then again, there wasn’t anything much to look at anyway - porn wasn’t even there yet.
So I feel we definitely have it both better and worse today. To me, the better outweights the negatives - I mean it’s so much nicer today to just be able to search anything and get a million different answers. But that’s also the downfall of everyone being interconnected - being buried in bullshit much of the time.
and there would be few if any consequences.
Meted out by human beings who had to read the thread in aggravatingly linear order - so they were more likely to say ‘you were being kind of a butthead’ instead of ‘how dare you call anyone a butthead.’
I like the absence of cumulative fake internet points. I do think it lends a healthier perspective to the community
take my Extra-Fake Internet Point my friend
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Upvoted AND boosted.
This might be a hot take here, but I’d be open to instances running a limited number of ads with minimal tracking to generate enough revenue to keep the instance afloat.
It’s why I did use the official Reddit app at first when I started using Reddit. They can’t bleed money forever. But when they kept making the app worse and worse and worse that’s when I switched to third party apps. And after they killed those, I didn’t have any sympathy for Reddit because I was sick of their continued greed.
Honestly, I’d love it if platforms gave people the option to either pay a subscription and maintain the privacy, or see ads and give up their personal data. However, it looks like we’re going in the, “pay a subscription to watch ads and have data stolen” route.
I don’t think ADS were ever the problem. The problem was the ratio. ORIGINALLY adblock plus, when it was a relevant adblocker had an option to allow less obtrusive ads to show. The rules they set for themselves there was pretty reasonable.
I used that for a while specifically because of that feature. But I switched to uBlock origin when I found out it could block those autoplaying videos as well.
When I became financially independent I got Reddit premium even though I didn’t really use any of the features. Already had adblock and RES. I just wanted to support the site I spent hours on.
Cancelled that when they killed Apollo.
But I do agree that limited ads aren’t an issue… except for the slippery slope that’s happened. Just a few more ads… just a little more intrusive…
If Lemmy ever does have ads, I will tell everyone to avoid the platform like the plague. No ads. Ever. If your instance is too big to run on donations alone, it’s too big to exist and its members need to branch out.
Future platforms need to be programmed with a max number of users.
I’d rather pay than have ads. I think advertising is a plight upon humanity.
just make the cost to run the server transparent and setup a monthly goal to cover the costs, none of this capitalist shit; with adverts come advertisers botfarms and astro turfing to boot.
I don’t want any ads. But I’d pay money to a small Verein or something similar to keep a community instance running. Being a profitable customer to a social network works against the best interest to any mental health.
There is plenty of propaganda on lemmy. You just have to realize you will always be fed propaganda and understand there is propaganda on each side of every issue…
There is incomparably more propaganda here then anywhere else. On reddit politics are kept out of most subs that are not specifically discussing politics, here everyone uses every opportunity to push whatever agenda they happen to have
The thing about this is fuck all Americans to death amirite?
If that’s how I gotta go
I havent seen a universal agreed definition of propaganda. It seems like anything advokating for something that that person doesnt agree with is propaganda.
its art that is political, what form that takes is up to the content.
Great post. I give you my fake internet point up arrow.
Yah bub. This were the good ol’ time.
When Lemmy replaces Reddit, I wonder what will replace Lemmy when Lemmy goes corporate.
Lemmy will replace lemmy. It’s federated and open source by design, so if any corpo manages to take over existing instances, people can just create and move to new ones. Lemmy is the endgame. Lemmy is the final software, the last forum.
/s
ok, maybe if a better software comes along it might replace it. But it’s still safe in theory from corporate takeovers
“when” is an optimistic choice of a word
How would it go corporate beyond specific instances? That’s kind of the entire point.
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Make the internet nerd again
It’s pretty cool, even though it not even 1% of the size of the big social media monopolists
Perhaps because it’s not
oh you
I see propaganda all over the place on here.
that’s amateupaganda
Here, take a fake Internet point.
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Honest question. What kind of propaganda are you seeing on Lemmy? Nothing comes to mind.
I mostly see… Linux stuff. And I am not a computer person. Is that propaganda?
On hexbear for example there’s a lot of tankies posting tankie propaganda
I’m so sorry you’ve been exposed to political views different from your own, I hope you’ll be able to recover from that one day.
Autocracy is not a legitimate political system
non sequitur is not a legitimate form of argument
Nice Latin, but not relevant here
Tankie is a slang term for autocratic communist
Autocracy is not a legitimate form of government
So autocratic propaganda is not just a “different political stance”
tankie is a term imbeciles use to signal group membership to other imbeciles
Not defending tankies, but do you think people on hexbear are paid to do so, or just have different political views? If your definition of propaganda is posting about your own specific political views, then pretty much everything is propaganda.
I could say that I think FOSS and decentralization are good principles, and that can be considered leftist propaganda.
propaganda /prŏp″ə-găn′də/
noun The systematic propagation of a doctrine or cause or of information reflecting the views and interests of those advocating such a doctrine or cause.
Material disseminated by the advocates or opponents of a doctrine or cause.
Yep, so I’m right, hexbear is just as much propaganda as, say, News, Worldnews, or any other political instance/community.
Lemmy is very politically active, because to choose lemmy is to reject Reddit. People pick Lemmy over reddit for political reasons, such as preferring FOSS and decentralization, which tend to align far more with leftist beliefs.
Case closed.
And that’s fine (more or less, I wish people would be more responsible about using sources that frame things objectively rather than ones that are biased towards their opinion) on political communities. It’s annoying on communities that aren’t made for politics.
Wait wait wait wait wait….
So is it propaganda or not? The second portion of that definition (or is it a whole second definition?) is quite a bit more vague.
Yes, but not in the same sense of “government sponsored bot propaganda,” and in the same sense as News and Worldnews are propaganda.
Hexbear is made up of users that genuinely seem to believe in their ideologies, rather than being sponsored by some state like others have implied.
It is a separate definition. It didn’t copy correctly. I fixed it.
Anyway I would say it constitutes propaganda based off the first definition.
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Yeah… but having some pride (warranted or not) is good motivation to help build and maintain things.
Propaganda is an organization disseminating information they want others to believe, whether it be true, false, or the typical tactic, a mix of both.
You pretty much can’t avoid it on social media, the only question is whether the action is direct from the organizations or grassroots support.
