This is the best summary I could come up with:
French Prime Minister Élisabeth Borne has banned widely used messaging applications WhatsApp, Telegram and Signal for ministers and their teams due to security vulnerabilities, according to a memo seen by POLITICO.
Borne set a deadline of December 8 for the government to switch to using the French app Olvid instead, which is certified by France’s cybersecurity agency ANSSI.
Tchap, the government-developed secure messaging and collaboration app, launched in 2019, is also allowed.
In December, the entire government will be using [Olvid], the world’s most secure instant messaging system," French digital minister Jean-Noël Barrot confirmed on X.
The government previously ordered civil servants to remove all types of social media platforms, gaming and video-streaming apps — including TikTok, CandyCrush and Netflix — from their work devices over cybersecurity and privacy concerns.
This article was updated to include details on the memo seen by POLITICO.
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the entire government will be using [Olvid], the world’s most secure instant messaging system," French digital minister Jean-Noël Barrot confirmed on X.
Clearly they’re very discerning when it comes to their choice of communication apps. 🙄
From their Google play store page: “Olvid is the first private instant messaging application for everyone.”
At least it’s open source, so we should know soon enough how it compares to Signal
Only the client. Though that’s probably enough to make sure messages leave your device suitably encrypted. Depending on the algos it could be quite vulnerable to hndl attacks, though, or (less likely) any undiscovered backdoors in the implementations. Of course, even for Signal one has to trust they’re using the public server code anyway, but at least we know they’re folding in a quantum-resistant algo.
That thing has some of the most verbose documentation I’ve ever seen. Stuff that should be a paragraph takes multiple pages.
the client is open source. but the server? not so much.
in any case, if security is the concern… they should probably switch to a government-built system that only runs on gooberment devices. Will it be shitty? absolutely. But data is owned by whoever has the hardware it sits on. if it’s not your device its not your data.
No trust in servers Persistent security even in case of a compromised server
From Olvid website
They are advertising the fact that the security does not depend on the server.
I don’t know what is worth.
Also it’s developed by a French company, I think this is the main argument for the French government, they want to have options that does not rely on US companies.
Why dont they use SimpleX?
They’ve gone in on matrix pretty hard at this point
Is it French?
Simplex is promising, but not ready for primetime.
On my divest OS phone it doesn’t even run. Just launches and dies.
Contact Discovery is still a big issue, simple x doesn’t have a solution for that yet. You have to do out of band manual addition of your contacts.
No Contact Discovery is a feature for me.
Interesting it does not work on your device, I have tried it on a few different phones and have not had any issues. My friends are of course using it as well, all on different devices.
https://github.com/simplex-chat/simplex-chat/issues/3184
Appears to be a known issue
WRT Contact Discovery, if your a large organization like… the french government, you want your people to be able to communicate with each other, so they need to solve contact discovery if you really want them to adopt and use simplex for their communication.
How about GApps tho? You know, the piece of spyware Google embeds in Android’s system partition?
FYI:
Private open source alternative to it,
is MicroGI believe microG still use Google’s services, at very least it connects to
supl.google.comMicro g is still downloads Google proprietary blobs and runs those. So it is not open source so much as it’s an open source launcher of Google’s proprietary software. It’s an interesting improvement, but it does not a panacea it does not fix the issues
Are you sure? I thought that what you describe is what packages suck as NikGapps did, while MicroG is a reimplementation of the code. It does call Google webservers, but it doesn’t run Google’s blobs (which is also why it’s severely limited/fragile compared to packages that run them)
You’re both kinda right afaik.
MicroG reverse engineered, and re-written as much as possible from GApps libraries, from the ground up, as open source software.
These re-implementations are as light weight and privacy respecting as possible on your local device,
however the same does not count for the Google servers it communicates with (if you choose to enable them).For SafetyNet attestation, a proprietary, isolated, DroidGuard blob is downloaded (if you choose to enable it).
What security vulnerabilities does Signal have? I implore them to find a more secure messenger.
Edit: Apparently they’re using Olvid. Claims to be the most secure messenger. Only the clients are open source, not the server code and they’re using a whole different algorithm. I seriously don’t understand why they don’t just partner with Signal, bet these guys don’t even have Signal’s level of quantum resistant encryption.
Plot twist: maybe whatsapp, signal and telegram are harder to hack, maybe olvid has back doors that allows them snoop on each other 🤔
(am only half joking 😉)
Olvid is French and Signal isn’t, which seems to be très important.
Plus for the French Government it’s easier to twist arms in France than in Switzerland.
I think that it has to do with GDPR. Signal has servers outside the jurisdiction of France or the EU. This app probably not.
Not that I agree though. Signal would be a better option.
French here. It is all about the IT sovereignty (souveraineté numérique). The idea is to use French solutions in order to limit leaks if confidential information and dealing with other country without worrying about threat of limiting, stopping critical services. Also it is easier to apply EU laws like GPDR. That is why all the French private company dealing with sensitive information (military, cyber security…) are only using French solutions.
Yeah I mean you’re not exactly shedding some deep insight here, it’s very obviously that. While there’s merit to banning WhatsApp, it’s just foolish to ban signal. It’s the best in class for a reason, and it’s open source. France should devote resources to auditing and supporting signal if they really want to throw money to developing secure software.
Why is it that signal users are so… obsessive? it’s just an encrypted messaging app. Not the second coming of christ.
I get it, but I just don’t get why wouldn’t they just follow other govs’ steps and just set up a matrix server instead. It’s already available and proven.
That’s actually what they’re doing. They built their own messenger based on Matrix.
Aren’t they already using their own version of Matrix for IM comms?
It’s a really big problem for ministers using private messaging services. All of this is supposed to either be public domain or secret. If it’s labelled as Secret it should be officially secret, not just “we didn’t tell anyone about it”.
Accountability and transparency are cornerstones of democracy.
What’s wrong with XMPP? I’ve been using it for many years, it’s by far been the greatest experience and it has OMEMO encryption.
