Reading through the article it sounds like not a great study, not asking enough questions and not tracking key information, such as cause of death.
Sounds like one of those things where people are going to headline what they want out of it and use it to champion their bias. “Being overweight doesn’t kill you, yay!” Nah, it’s way more complicated than that. People with cancer and other diseases often lose weight, a lot of it, and studies like this don’t do a good job of tracking this info.
I thought it was pretty well-known that BMI is a bullshit metric.
A short, thin, but bulky person can have an obese BMI because it doesn’t take into account fat percentage or muscle mass. It’s doesn’t account for diet quality and it doesn’t account for fitness.
A ratio of weight to height tells you basically nothing about your health.
The main issue is that BMI is just something for professionals to glance at when dealing with hundreds of patients, not a definitive system that individuals should use to inform their own lifestyle decisions. The reason it’s so popular is because it is really accurate for large populations in that context.
But what you actually want to figure out, if you want to evaluate whether you should change your weight or lifestyle, is your body fat percentage. The Navy body fat calculator is accurate to within 3%, but requires you to measure your waist, hip, and neck in addition to your height and weight. Still an estimate, but a much much better one than BMI
It’s generally considered bullshit. But a large number of people cling to it, even when you point out glaring flaws like every power lifter is considered dangerously overweight.
After all, it’s not the cancer that kills you - it’s just the multi-organ failure.
New study: cancer not linked to death.
So many studies are exactly as you describe; here’s what (bias) I want to prove, let’s find (make up) some data to prove it.
Also, avoid cnn.com. What a trash site disguised as a news outlet.
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Aside from a handful of crazies, most people fully understand the health implications of being overweight, even (perhaps especially) overweight people. The reason some people are fat is definitely not because they’re not aware of that, and being a dick to fat people isn’t going to make them less fat.
So you wanting to see people treated as less than human for something that is very unlikely to affect you in any way at all says much more about you than it does them.
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I don’t think op is treating them less than human. Fat acceptance is downright harmful to the society and being against fat acceptance is not treating them like lesser people. It’s a medical condition. You wouldn’t agree to, say, depression acceptance, will you? They should be treated not be celebrated.
I’m a bit overweight myself and I hate the word fat acceptance. It sends the wrong message of ‘eat a truckload of food you’re still fine’.
Glad you brought up depression, yeah I want people to acknowledge that I have bouts of depression, but I don’t want people to accept it, I want them to help me and others who have depression.
Same view about fat people.
I don’t want friends dying because of a treatable condition. Especially when the condition will take them slow.
I mean the article isn’t about, nor does it mention fat acceptance. I didn’t mention fat acceptance. Only OP did. I don’t think anyone apart from him and perhaps you thinks anyone is celebrating people being overweight. Maybe some people do that but I’m pretty sure most people think of them as (and I’ve already called them) “crazies”. This article certainly isn’t doing that - as far as I can tell it’s more about the bmi scale being a bit useless.
The only point I’m making is it seems like OP just wants to hate on fat people (and if that isn’t dehumanising idk what is), my point is just that doesn’t solve anything, and you seem to agree with that much. Nobody’s talking about “fat acceptance” except you two.
Actually yes, depression acceptace (and mental health acceptance in general) is part of the process to helping people be happy and healthy. As someone with depression (who is also fat) accepting myself and finding communities where i am accepted as i am and encouraged to be my own personal form of healthy is good for me.
Shaming someone for being depressed isnt going to suddenly make their depression go away. Shaming someone for being fat isnt going to suddenly make them thin. Judinging someone as a person for medical conditions that are often a complex result of genetics, environment, and culture is not helpful.
Accepting, loving, and supporting people is what helps.
I fully support accepting people in need. I don’t support accepting the condition itself. Fat acceptance has been doing that. Being fat is being in suffer. Fat acceptance is just fueling the denial. I do not endorse any type of body shaming. That’s totally different from criticizing fat acceptance.
Perfectly stated. There is a big difference between shaming someone that is significantly overweight vs. coming out and saying that it doesn’t affect your health. The few people I know that are in the obese category will outright tell you that they don’t want to be overweight. But they struggle with it just like someone sincerely wanting to stop smoking.
I think what most people call overweight is obese, so clinically overweight might be ok?
But only slightly
The risk of death did rise by 18% to 108% for most people with BMI levels higher than 27.5, Visaria said, with risk rising as weight increased in a U-shaped curve.
So this headline really should read:
Being a little overweight may not be associated with early death (but being quite overweight, obese, or extremely obese is), study says.
What an absolute nothingburger of a news story.
What an absolute nothingburger of a news story.All of cnneek why all that ugly formatting? I was only trying to quote.
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The Fediverse needs an r/fatlogic analog, made entirely of stretchy materials of course, where this kind of Fat Acceptance garbage can be posted. It’s a special flavor of mildlyinfuriating, Now with 200% of the calories, but don’t worry, it’s healthy … of course it is!
Key passage:
“The real message of this study is that overweight as defined by BMI is a poor indicator of mortality risk, and that BMI in general is a poor indicator of health risk and should be supplemented with information such as waist circumference, other measures of adiposity (fat), and weight trajectory,” said study first author Dr. Aayush Visaria, an internal medicine resident physician at the Rutgers Robert Wood Johnson Medical School in New Brunswick, New Jersey.
