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Ah I see it has already became a toxic shit hole. Need the toxic people for that sweet rage engagement.
Rage engagement…That’s a good way to describe it…Now what if we combine the words…Enragement!
Hoes for Hitler!
Yeah, I’ll just sit here in my nerd barrio like the corpos want.
Aside from political views, another social network will not help anything and is only another useless app to install.
The users Facebook deserves. Zuck can keep them, somehow I think we’ll do just fine without these outrage-farming reactionaries.
Threads look like hot garbage!
Maybe someone can fill me in on this because I don’t know anything about it. “LibsofTiktok” is clearly just a right wing actor making liberal viewpoints look stupid, yeah? No one who actually identifies as “liberal” would ever willingly call themself a “lib.”
They’re not saying they are a “lib” but rather that their account is about criticizing “libs” on TikTok.
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…with added comments fueling conservative misconceptions and ragebaiting.
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Yes, I agree.
She is behind bomb threats to the children’s hospital in Boston. She is 100% ghoul.
“LibsofTiktok” is clearly just a right wing actor making liberal viewpoints look stupid, yeah?
Yes.
The woman behind it has become a kind of conservative celebrity. She doxxes random people, especially teachers who talk about their sexuality on TikTok and sends her minions to harass them. In the past, she has caused bomb threats to children’s hospitals for providing gender affirming care. She is about as despicable as a person can be.
This account shames liberals and calls everything “woke” used to be only TikTok.
If kbin allows them to federate here, then I’m out of here.
Kbin allows you to block an entire instance.
That may be so but hate groups is where I draw my line for support in general.
Also you can’t program an open-source project in a way that prevents a group of people from using it. It’s public and anyone can download and deploy it. So “kbin” can’t do anything about them, existing servers defederating them is the only way to go
I expect Roundcat was referring to kbin.social, their current instance, as “kbin”. Even though there are 70+ kbin instances.
FYI https://kglitch.social has already defederated from the domains that threads is expected to use.
Yeah but in this particular case it really needs to happen at the instance level rather then the user level, and preferably all instances at that. It’s about mitigating the damage that Meta/Facebook are going to do (to the entire fediverse as a system) more than it is about not seeing shitty low-effort racism or whatever they’ll have there.
If I could actually trust Meta to be benign then I’d maybe agree with you about just blocking their shit as a user, but there’s just no chance of believing that about them.
It doesn’t work, and besides, the privacy policy of threads lets them collect information about you if you interact with ANY of their content at least once. I recommend everyone to read the third-party app section of their policies.
It’s up to each instance. So even if kbin.social did, which I really doubt, we could just go to another kbin run by someone with a brain.
I’m curious. How many instances that would insta-block libsoftiktok will keep federating with threads even though they’re on it?
Time and time again, it has been proven that “absolute free speech” online just attracts the absolute worst kind of people.
I did expected them to fail immediately, but this is way funnier than I expected. They either need to start banning immediately and start throwing money at celebs to use Threads, otherwise no one mainstream will ever advertise there.
You mean the non-heavily moderated platforms allow for discussion on topics you care about by people who disagree with you.
If you insist on trying to turn us all miserable and hateful again, then I think you should leave.
Except much like your comment, they aren’t actually trying to have a good faith discussion.
Threads is already banned in Europe and won’t withstand the scrutiny of Federation. Too many bigots. I’m certain Zuck doesn’t care either way. The thing is set up as an advertising medium for the GOP. Same old Cambridge Analytica scheme repeating.
banned or not yet released?
Banned until further notice. Zuck would have to gut the main function of Threads before it will be allowed over there. https://techcrunch.com/2023/07/05/threads-no-eu-launch/
The Zuck had been a bigger threat to democracy than Russia until Russia’s failed Ukraine invasion. As long as he’s making more money, it’s all okay.
Honestly apps like Threads and Twitter should just be a containment site for these types of people. Let them be…
If threads scoops up all the people who turned twitter and reddit into celebrity gossip meme ghettos and keeps them in the shallow end of the pool then everybody wins
I won’t call em ghettos, those are concentration camps in which everyone slowly gasing themselves with toxic culture just like what shown in 4chan
Factory farms where everyone is being fattened up in cages on a slurry of hate and memes.
Stealing meme ghettos. Thanks.
Holy shit, they launched Threads pre-enshittified. Massive time saver if you ask me.
We’re only halfway through 2023, but I already decided to make “enshittification” word of the year for me.
Actually, screw that! Make it word of the decade!
I suspect they had to jump on it when Elon shat the bed over the weekend. Suckerberg probably saw that disasterpiece and was like “quick, spit-shine the dev build and go live!”
Absolutely no surprise there. When you keep the barrier to entry low and throw in an algorithm to increase “engagement” via outrage, the soup turns to poison quickly.
This is why every time someone says the Fediverse is “too confusing,” I just smile and nod. That attitude of petulant, lazy, self-imposed gatekeeping is what’s keeping the Fediverse a much nicer place to be.
Well said! A high barrier to entry, and a low barrier to exit working as intended. Let’s enjoy the good times while they last.
Its not even a high barrier. You just have to choose an instance from a list.
Well, it’s not easy. I fell it’s like choosing a Linux distro to use.
Yeah that’s why everyone gravitates to the most popular one, like Hannah Montana Linux.
Hannah Montana Linux
Just the objectively most beautiful piece of software ever made.
“Hannah Montana is considered fast, stable, and powerful by most users”.
Ok, Lemmy has officially gotten my first “ok now people are looking at me” laugh.
I mean, it’s basically a theme pack on top of Kubuntu, so it’s not wrong.
If the “hot” and “active” filters continue to work as expected and bots get reasonably moderated or blocked, I don’t even think Lemmy needs a high barrier to entry or petulance. The most important thing is to not optimize any recommendation or sorting algorithm on session duration, ads seen before closing session, and revenue per user.
This is so true and people seem to have a really hard time seeing this. The cultures on other social sites are far more manufactured than we’d like to believe. I think the human driven systems of Lemmy and Mastodon are brilliant but the true killer feature of the fediverse is going to be an open content recommendation algorithm. A collectively developed non-profit driven algorithm would undoubtedly be better at surfacing positive impact content than either system.
Can we use ai to judge emotional content of threads so I can get recommendations for threads where people are relaxed and happy?
Unironically, yes absolutely.
Well then, I unironically want that!
Too much arguing in discussion forums and not enough relaxed fun.
Actually yes and I don’t think it’s a bad idea. Sentiment analysis is not a hard task nowadays. If overused the site would become a bunch of artificial positivity, but I think there could be a place for this. Could be part of a mod toolkit too.
I definitely don’t think something like that should be used to only show one emotion though. If AI were used to control content based on how it makes people feel it should try to balance, not control how we feel. Give us an equal amount of everything.
It’s not good to cloak ourselves in only feelgood stories and lies that sound nice and ignore all the bad stuff just because an algorithm wants us to feel nice and cozy. If no one cares about the bad stuff, the bad stuff gets worse.
Completely agree that this is where the really exciting potential is, but equally a potential for misuse as algo development will be a black box to most.
Funny enough Hot filtering is currently bugged on small instances.
Yesterday it was bugged on world, too. I’d keep hitting next page and seeing half of the same things on every page. It’s working better today though.
It’s been noted on the GitHub. It seems the bug is amplified on small instances. I’ll regularly get posts from two weeks ago with no comments on the top of All/Hot when using this account.
This this this. The fediverse being “confusing” keeps the idiots, boomers, trolls, and overall horrible people away. Having to learn something new is too much for those people. Lemmy/Mastodon and so on are “nerd” platforms, and I really like it that way.
Easy on the boomer stuff. You just lumped “horrible people” into the same group as regular people that happen to have lived more years than you. If you are looking for a “nerd” platform, you’ll do well to remember that there are a ton of extremely nerdy boomers out there and you just helped turn the soup to poison for them
Self imposed gatekeeping. Damn that’s real
Absolutely agree. I love the high barrier to entry and how it has kept the conversations (for the most part) more substantial.
I know I’m an old school techie, but was there really a high entry bar for lemmy compared to say twitter or Instagram? I honestly don’t know, other than r3dd!t the last social media I signed up for was what? Facebook well over a decade ago?
If the few steps it took to make a user name, pick an instance, and then get my head around the fact that I had to also join any instance I wanted to respond to, is enough to keep the unwashed internet masses out, well, they are just even dumber than I already thought.
get my head around the fact that I had to also join any instance I wanted to respond to
Wait. What? Why are you doing that?
Non-techy guy here. I read an infograohic and made an account. 0 issues whatsoever. And the infographic was just to help me understand how it works. You don’t really need to understand lemmy to interact with it
Many people genuinely give up at the “pick an instance” stage.
Part of it is a slight failing for not blasting “if you join any of these instances you can respond to posts on any of these imstances’ communities” but also the level of tech literacy has fallen off of a cliff post-smartphone world.
Bolstering technology literacy (I’m talking simple things like: what is a file browser, where do things you download go by default, what are some common file types for music/videos/applications) need to be added to public education because there’s clearly a decline happening here that will have downstream ramifications.
I’d say it’s less so a decline and moreso a lack of literacy to begin with. The number of relatives I have that are fucking stupid with the internet is insane. And surprise the kids are just as stupid with tech, since the parents are dumb and companies made tools for them and the kids.
Yeah, I think the late 20th century and then some of the 00s were a sweet spot where there was finally cool stuff to do with tech, but you still needed to learn some skills to do them. Though even those skills were pretty basic.
I remember a kid in high school coming to me to see if I’d burn him a custom CD and he’d pay me and I was surprised because I thought it was all pretty basic shit that all it took was trying to figure it out. Though on the other hand, that was during the era where many discs were lost to buffer underflow and you had to be patient enough to not really use your computer for anything else while a CD was burning at like 2x speed (the hardware would go faster but then the underflow was more likely).
Though in hindsight, that might have just been my family’s shitty computer at the time. My dad was semi tech savvy but generally bought shitty computers, compaqs with Celeron CPUs and no graphics card. Though we did at least have a dedicated 56k line (which would only get speeds of like 48k, though later when the line was switched I do remember seeing the occasional 64k which confused me because I thought 56k was the fastest a connection could be).
It’s like IRC. Just zany enough to keep out the riff raff.
Oh the IRC days, what a time
IRC is hugely flawed but also, I miss it. Could we have a federated discord? It’d basically be irc but easier to find stuff right?
Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t that what Matrix is?
There’s also a way to add matrix usernames to Lemmy accounts, so it’s possible to make an app that ties the two together. Is that a feature people would care about?
All matrix is to me is a classic late nineties action sci fi movie.
The Matrix but they use the Matrix protocol on a The Matrix themed Matrix IRC channel talking about talking about The Matrix in the Matrix protocol in a The Matrix themed Matrix IRC channel (woops sorry that is the Matrix 2 I think my bad)
Man I’d love that. I feel like we will soon honestly. I just hope the lemmy/Kbin apps bring these other federated projects inside, so we can do it all on one app too.
matrix.org is basically IRC 2.0. It’s federated and has a lot of cool clients.
Wasn’t IRC itself pretty much federated, just maybe not calling it that yet? Networked I think they called it. You’d have a bunch of servers in a network and users could join channels and chat with users on other networks. Every now and then you’d get a server split where some subset of servers would lose connection with the rest and a bunch of people would all leave the channel at once. Then, it would resolve, and they’d come flooding back in.
/slap speaker_hat
*Veltoss slaps speaker_hat around with a large trout.
Veltoss (~user@fastinternet-1b-3c-115.com) has joined
This just awakened some repressed IRC memories I didn’t know I had.
You have been kicked from #Lemmy.
That mIRC flashback hit me like a Vietnam vet’s PTSD…
My first instinct would be to say, “This is the 21st century, learn to use a damn computer already!” But then I think of the long term and WANT people to think it’s too hard to join Mastodon or Kbin, just to keep the average IQ of these sites above room temperature.
If extra layer of “difficulty” is introduced by giving the users the choice of an instance is enough to keep them away, then I’m all for it.
It just needs to be easier for the ones that managed to figure it all out (better apps, stability, UI/UX, and QOL updates)
IMO the only algorithm I’ll accept for lemmy/kbin is slightly faster “expiration” for posts, sometimes some posts stay too long on my frontpage.
The default “Local/Active” sort algo needs to be tweaked. It makes it look like there are no new posts for days. If you use All with Top Day, Hot or New there’s way more going on.
Kbin generally seems to churn faster than Reddit for me, but posts on Lemmy do seem to stay around for a awhile.
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It’s concerning just how many people can’t be bothered to spend 5 minutes to pick an instance… Keeps it nicer for us though
I’ve been explaining it like email. There’s no email webpage you go to to create an account. It’s just a protocall a bunch of people have agreed to use, so you go to one of them and you create an address. I also think your username in the fediverse should be called an address too, but I don’t think that’ll catch on. It makes it a lot easier to explain, because everyone can use email, even the most tech illiterate people.
I don’t really think it’s fair to pretend that, before two weeks ago, anyone under god had any idea what an instance was unless they were already heavily tech-oriented.
It took me hours of trying to read through not-my-kind-of-jargon to understand what the hell I was looking at and what kind of consequences that unexplained choice would have, and it really seems like a good number of users that initially struggled forget the learning curve extremely quickly the moment they’re over it.
I’ve been on mastodon for years so I knew :p
It took me hours of trying to read through not-my-kind-of-jargon to understand
I started off going down that road of trying to understand it, but my laziness and impatience got in the way and said “just start using it and you’ll work it out.” And that’s exactly what happened for me. In a way, the explanations made it all sound much more confusing than it really is. Sometimes you just gotta take a deep breath and dive in.
Honestly, you’re right, and I think the analysis paralysis that the fediverse immediately presents isn’t really helped by the fact I’m just generally a neurotic person. Wanting/NEEDING to understand how every aspect of something works and why lends itself really well to things like linguistics and biology, but I feel bothered when I skip the tutorial in a game I already know. What if I missed something and I’ll never be able to figure out how buttons work.
Don’t worry, I hear ya! I’m currently 4.9 hours in on my first run of the story game, Detroit. People in the reviews say it is a short game and they have less than 3 hours playtime … but I don’t wanna miss any narrative or clues! haha!
I joined Mastadon in December and that’s when I first tried to understand it all. I researched a server to join and it was right confusing … what if I picked the wrong one? Then I pretty much abandoned the account because I didn’t understand how to stay on my own server while browsing around (also didn’t help that I’d never used Twitter either, so I didn’t actually know what I sposed to be doing lol).
Then the whole reddit debacle happened and I signed up for a Lemmy & Kbin. And there was all the jargon again. But I think because I was actually jumping ship from reddit, this time I wanted my move to have staying power. So it was unusual for me to “skip the tutorial” but I was getting so frustrated with the jargon, while I could see others were already having conversations. And it was through the participation that the jargon finally defined itself. I even use my mastodon now, as well!
Oh, I never realized the storylines in Detroit were that short. I’m exactly like you, and I’ve also found that the more games I play at once, the less I enjoy any of them. So my hands are a bit tied in terms of backlog and that one’s been on the backburner for…years, now that I think of it. But That bumps it up my list considerably if I can 100% it in like 3 days.
I was very close to giving the fuck up initially, though. You know what the biggest encouragement was when I was signing up? When I was looking through the comments on kbin, someone said all the hoops would keep the idiots out, and I will put in a _lot _ more energy if it means both showing off and being where the idiots aren’t. I’d say having a barrier there really has done some good for the overall quality (for now), but the people claiming it’s good to make sign-ups as hard as possible are sometimes the same people claiming there isn’t a barrier at all, and it comes off as very strange elitism.
Reading the explanations and advice people were giving to each other made a whole lot more sense than anything the internet was handing me, but even some of that could be head-scratching, and hands-on is probably the best way to go. Not without its dangers. I still think I got incredibly lucky to end up on an instance I like this much. Imagine having admiration for the dev for once.
I never realized the storylines in Detroit were that short.
quick Google search tells me average play-thru time is 12hrs and completionist is 32hrs, so I dunno what I was looking at. I’m 5hours in, so it remains to be seen whether it’s gonna take me 32hours or 64hours minimum. 🤣 You’ll have to forgive me, it’s the steam sale so I’ve been looking at lots of games. Not that I need any more because I’ve probably only ever touched a quarter of my library, if that!
someone said all the hoops would keep the idiots out,
Yeah I liked that take as well. That layer of jargon really is a fantastic filter.
Same. I signed up for the first instance someone mentioned positively. Seems fine, only about 5 minutes of research invested
There was no learning curve for me. I randomly picked an instance LMFAO!
It was a case of: Lemmy.ml isn’t accepting new users atm BeeHaw requires me to tell them why I’m a good user So does this other instance… Why do I have to justify myself!? Hey, Lemmy.world let’s me just sign up! Perfect!
And that was how I chose an instance. Thank you for joining story got with Valek
Decision paralysis is real even for stupid things. Like, “what are the implications if I pick the wrong instance?” Was something that made me put off finishing signing up for mastodon and I’m not embarrassed to admit it. Acting like it’s trivial isn’t helpful to anyone even if it was trivial or you
Oh you’re one of those just looking for a reason to be pissy. I wasn’t trying to be helpful to anyone, I was simply sharing my experience. Touch grass
Probably some truth there. It’s probably a bit of feeling defensive as well
Sorry if I was too froggy
so goddamn exhausting
Well…as long as those types are happy with that shit, it means they won’t come to the fed.
They’re already on the fediverse. Tens of thousands of people on thousands of servers saying things that make libsoftiktok and gaysagainstgrooming look like woke hippies.
The thing is, unlike big tech which wants you to see things that piss you off because it drives engagement and will actively put you in that situation, for the most part people tend to stick together in groups. You’ll get the odd troll looking for a thrill, but overall there isn’t an algorithm doing the Jerry Springer thing so other than a cheap thrill there’s no point to it.
Algorithms end up being really sneaky in that regard.
Well, they do intend to federate…
