Ah, so that means the Auschwitz Museum is… checks notes anti-Semitic!
Makes sense.
What one mayor said is only the tip of the iceberg.
You know you failed as a Jewish nation when the very museum dedicated as a reminder of your people’s suffering and the holocaust which lead to the creation of your country is telling you you’re a sick people.
I know there are many Israelis who are against what’s happening and we shouldn’t put everyone in the same basket, but man…
I really want the hostages to be returned safely and Hamas to take a hike, but it’s hard to have any sympathy for Israel with how they acted towards Palestinians.
I know there are many Israelis who are against what’s happening and we shouldn’t put everyone in the same basket, but man…
I mean I see what you mean but Netanyahu is called the king of Israeli politics for a reason. They’ve consistently elected right wing genocidal maniacs.
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“The whole Gaza Strip needs to be empty. Flattened. Just like in Auschwitz,” Metula Mayor David Azoulai said in a radio interview on Sunday, according toThe Times of Israel. “Let it be a museum for all the world to see what Israel can do. Let no one reside in the Gaza Strip for all the world to see, because October 7 was in a way a second Holocaust.”
How blinkered do you have to be to see the Hamas attacks on October 7 as akin to the Holocaust, but not see that your own determination to wipe out the entire people of Gaza resembles the genocidal intent behind the Holocaust?
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He said that Palestinians should be transferred to the Palestinian camps in Lebanon first. Before Gaza is flattened.
Corrections:
He said that Palestinians should be
transferredethnically cleansed/forcefully displaced to the Palestiniancampsghettos (or maybe I don’t even need to correct this one lol) in Lebanon first. BeforeGaza is flattenedtheir homes, memories, and livelihoods are forever destroyed.Then what will happen in Gaza when Palestinians will be gone ?
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Well how nice that this now makes it different 😊 /s
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Who cares about accuracy or the truth these days amiright?
The ones who care are those who think ethnic cleansing is somehow less bad than genocide, and they realllllly want to show it for some reason, but not for “accuracy”.
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I’m saying I don’t think that you discuss stuff in good faith.
Antisemite! /s
The Nazis at first didn’t really care whether the Jews were expelled or murdered, they just wanted them eliminated from Germany. Some combination of expelling Jews and encouraging Jewish emigration was the initial plan.
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It’s all Nazi shit man, stop trying to pretend there’s a not-so-bad form that’s essential context.
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What is your point in this?
What do YOU think their point is? 🤔
For the life of me I wish I understood why it’s so hard for people to see that genociding one group of people is the same as any other group of people and that Never Again is pretty much right now.
Look mate, the Israeli government and a significant proportion of the population (enough that these types were elected) are extreme racists - which is painfully obvious in the historical track record of how the dehumanizing way they referred to Palestinians, especially more recently in things like an Israeli government official openly saying in a press conference that Palestinians are “human animals” - so in their mind Palestinians are not people like Israelis are.
In such a twisted view, it absolutelly is morally acceptable to treat “human animals” quite differently from how you treat “chosen people”.
It’s the very same “untermenschen” thinking as the Nazis, just with a different target group.
It does make a difference. It’s important context.
You can still denounce it. You can still make holocaust comparisons. But it’s important context that shouldn’t be left out. Because you’re perfectly aware of the implication otherwise.
Yeah, I agree, it’s good to be accurate. However, I doubt that that was the real intention of @ArtikBanana@lemmy.dbzer0.com. That’s the point, hope it’s clear now.
They weren’t saying this for “accuracy” unfortunately… otherwise no one would have had an issue with it. It’s the undertone that stinks.
And the “undertone that stinks” is anything that doesn’t agree with your position 100%.
Sure, whatever floats your boat 🙄
You wouldn’t respect a holocaust denier, would you? So why would I respect someone like ArtikBanana who is denying another genocide?
I generally support Israel’s fight against Hamas, but yeah, that’s pretty fucking dumb.
I had family die in the work camps, die in the chambers, and die in the ghettos. If Gaza needs to become Auschwitz because you’re trying to shoehorn the Holocaust into the conversation, then October 7th was the Warsaw Ghetto uprising, you sick fuck. This mayor either needs a history lesson, a reminder to respect his family who died senselessly for their heritage, or would even do best to sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up. These blood-thirsty assholes need to figure out how to goddamn listen when others are crying before they repeat history’s worst atrocities.
Here’s a word I used to hear in Hebrew school and history lessons all the time: scapegoat. Look around you and try to identify who the scapegoat is. It ain’t us this time… Also, read the fucking room. If many of your most ardent supporters are Nazis, you’re probably doing a Nazi thing.
Dude. I could be wrong, but I think the guy you’re replying to is on your side. Are you raging at him or the mayor? Because it seems like the first
To me, it clearly seemed to be directed at the mayor.
Okay. I’m clearly in the minority. I’m not sure why it was a reply and not a top level comment, but I’m willing to go with it
That really is my bad. I wanted to reply to this quote which really stabbed at the heart of the problem and, for a moment, considered that I might confuse people by “speaking” directly to mayor for literary effect, but then decided I was being overly-anal. Sorry that I confused you, but yes, I was passionately angry at the mayor’s mischaracterization of the situation in order to play the helpless victim. The only offense committed by !floofloof@lemmy.ca is perhaps one of underfloofiness.
Maybe smoke less of the maryjayjay. Dude.
I’m just reading this on Wikipedia:
In 1939, German authorities began to concentrate Poland’s population of over three million Jews into a number of extremely crowded ghettos located in large Polish cities. The largest of these, the Warsaw Ghetto, collected approximately 300,000–400,000 people into a densely packed, 3.3 km2 area of Warsaw. Thousands of Jews were killed by rampant disease and starvation under SS-und-Polizeiführer Odilo Globocnik and SS-Standartenführer Ludwig Hahn, even before the mass deportations from the ghetto to the Treblinka extermination camp began.
They crowded those people in a small area with a high population density and they started to die of disease and starvation. Gosh gee, why does that sound so familiar? 🫠
And to actually say you wanted to recreate the horrors of it. Like explicitly say that. That’s a special level of non-self-awareness.
And if the death of, by the latest count, 764 Israeli civilians is a Holocaust, what does that make the death of 12,000 Palestinian civilians?
19000+ as of 4 days ago, and this is the minimum number since it only includes people Gazan hospitals physically counted.
19,000 is the total I’ve seen, but I don’t think there are good figures on civilian vs. combatant deaths. I was assuming a very conservative 2:1, which I saw reported somewhere, but I assume the civilian share is much higher, given that at least 7,000 or more of the dead from Israeli attacks were children.
In any case the point is that if killing Israeli civilians is wrong then killing dozens of times more Palestinian civilians should also be wrong. It’s a shame that most of the American political leadership doesn’t see it that way and instead wants to send Israel even more weapons with which to murder a vastly disproportionate number of civilians to the losses suffered in Israel.
19,000 is the total I’ve seen, but I don’t think there are good figures on civilian vs. combatant deaths. I was assuming a very conservative 2:1, which I saw reported somewhere,
I think you might be misremembering; that 2:1 is the number for October 7th.
Seems like the vast majority of those killed in Gaza are civilians.
The IDF claims 7k were “terrorists” but of course no proof for that. So far they have said anything from “we have captured/killed a dozen Hamas fighters” to “they are surrendering in hundreds”… but in the former example, a family of 35 members all die and among them is maybe, somewhere in the rubble a single Hamas government official or Hamas errand boy… and the latter, well, we’ve seen the pictures of “hundreds of Hamas fighters surrendering” and they all seemed to be civilians who got tortured.
I think the IDF could barely kill any militant fighters and that’s why they have no figures or bodies or photographic evidence or any way to verify whom they’ve killed. Add to that, the majority of those people killed in Gaza were in their homes or a refugee camp.
In the minds of those who see Palestinians as “untermenschen” - subhumans - their lives don’t count the same as human lives. (An Israeli government official quite literally and openly in a press conference deemed Palestinians to be “human animals”).
This shit we’re seeing is the violent expression of the most cold, cruel and extreme racism, all endorsed and even militarilly and diplomatically supported by the US (which is the ultimate hypocrisy from such loudly self-proclaimed defenders of “freedom”).
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For such people the limits on to the harm done to “them” are entirelly different of the limits on the harm done to “us” - it’s the ultimate two-weights-two-measures and you can see that splattered all over Israeli propaganda (starting by the whole “it ain’t terrorism if done by us” that anchors most of the messaging).
That said, these types being the full-blown german-style cold murderous ultra-racist Fascists, in their mind it’s probably more “der ubermensch” vs “der untermensch” than “us” vs “them”.
For some, “never again” means “never again let this happen to any People”, to others, it means “never again let this happen to us”. Unfortunately, it is much more common in the Israeli right to understand it the second way.
the Isreali right
The Israeli right: flatten the whole place, I want to salt the earth so they have nowhere to return to and they’re destroyed forever.
Israeli moderates: the IDF can have a little white phosphorous, as a treat
Zionists and Nazis have disturbing amount of similarities. The whole world knows it.
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The predecessors of Netanyahu’s modern coalition actively cooperated with Nazi Germany so… yeah.
Interesting. Have a link to more info on that?
Not OP but likely refers to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement
I didn’t read the whole thing, but that…seems pretty reasonable to me.
Metula, the town the mayor in question governs, is the furthest one away from Gaza that’s still actually in Israel. this is like that ex-Obama administration official from a few weeks ago being islamophobic - basically has nothing to do with the situation in Gaza, like, at all.
do some actual journalism, for once?
Mate, even if it was the mayor of Upton Snodsbury in Worcestershire who had made this comment, I would be glad to see the Auschwitz Museum had responded to them. The fact it was a mayor in the country in question makes it even more relevant.
Never again means never again. It means challenging genocide and ethnic cleansing every time, at every step along the road that leads to these outcomes - not just waiting until the trains are already on their way to the death camps before your raise your voice.
I don’t see how the fact that the town is not in Gaza makes the point invalid
so if some random person in Israel stated their opinion - regardless of what is was - and it was “reported”, it’d be relevant? because that’s what is happening here.
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Yes dude.
The point isn’t that the museum is responding to some fuckwit mayor, that’s just a minor detail.
The point is that they’re saying anything at all and making their position loud and clear, when up until now they’ve stayed silent.
I know the asshat who made the comments was just a nobody hick but I’m ecstatic the museum decided to reply to it.
If someone uses your name to justify cruelty, no matter how insignificant the person may be, it’s always worth speaking up.
People could also take the Museum’s silence on the matter as affirmation.
If someone uses your name to justify cruelty, no matter how insignificant the person may be, it’s always worth speaking up.
It’s going to take an eternity for God and his son to get caught up on this.
SMH, what is the world coming to when the Auschwitz museum is run by an antisemite.
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Huh? Where in this story does Piotr Cywiński (director of the Auschwitz-Birkenau State Museum) say anything bad about jews or Israel?
He was even part of a counsel that supported the war.Some random-ass mayor of a town of 1,693 people is calling for full-blown genocide. The Auschwitz-Birkenau State Museum is simply stating that they do not agree in the slightest with those statements.
The joke is that any criticism of Israel is labelled anti-semitic by the propagandists.
Man, it must be really easy to lie to you
yeah yeah idf bad…we all know. but why support gaza…a place with no gay marriage, hardly any women rights, patriachy…overall shit position. the main misunderstanding seems that just because idf is shit, there is absolutely no reason to support gaza. egypt and other muslim “friends” dont do it but the west off all is supposed to root for gaza?!? cant wrap my head around that type of thinking. and wasnt it the arab league that ON DAY ONE of existance of israel held a meeting and made the decision to kill them all? “fRoM zEh rIva2 zeH sEa” is retarded.
a place with no gay marriage, hardly any women rights, patriachy…overall shit position. the main misunderstanding seems that just because idf is shit, there is absolutely no reason to support gaza.
Women are being oppressed, so let’s wipe them all out, including the women?
What the fuxk is wrong with you? No one is supporting Gaza or hamas, when they say there is disproportionate amount of civilian deaths happening in this war with International support.
Im done with this. I say we solomon this shit. If they can decide on who gets the baby or learn to share it, then we glass the whole area with nukes and nobody gets to live there.
A man of action. Let’s do it.
Wow is Israel the new Nazi state?
Metula is a town of 1700 people. Probably not safe to assume that every random Israeli dildo that says something idiotic is speaking for the country.
The key will be if anything happens to that person as a result. Will there be any repercussions for him? If not, it is likely a systematic issue in their culture.
What would happen? Israelis have freedom of expression and it’s unlikely his disgusting comments rise to the level of a crime. Would you call that an actionable threat? He’s about as close to decision-makers as we are. Like, when Lindsey Graham called this conflict a holy war against Islam, it was revolting but I doubt most were surprised that he wasn’t legally punished. The most likely punishment is public ridicule and revulsion because there are few cases where people face legal consequences for speech.
The most likely punishment is public ridicule and revulsion because there are few cases where people face legal consequences for speech.
Yeah, and something tells me he isn’t gonna get these things.
What tells you? Do you think the Auschwitz Museum isn’t well-respected in Israel? Most English-language coverage in Israel seems to at least be prominently featuring the criticism over his statement.
It’s because at least 50% of Israelis agree with him. That’s the number of right wing voters.
What does “representative democracy” even mean amirite fellas
Its par for the course though
Got a legitimate source?
Which of the sources do you have a problem with?
