I think it’s pretty safe to say that the majority of us are here to avoid another corporate takeover of our preferred platforms. It would seem to me to be a tad irresponsible to allow Facebook into our space with open arms, allowing them to hoover up our data. I would love to keep using Lemmy.world, but will happily change instances if need be, and I feel many share that sentiment.
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Jesse, what the fuck are you talking about?
Let’s federate with Threads. Let’s not jump to conclusions beforehand.
I want to give them the benefit of the doubt and see how they behave. We can always defederate later.
am release goldfish because want to give him benefit of doubt
can always remove later
Imagine blocking hexbear and allowing Facebook.
Fuck lemmy world
Imagine thinking a few hundred people you disagree with is worse than a mega-corp manipulating information for profits.
Threads will kill the Fediverse and chuds welcome it with open arms.
“everyone who disagrees with me is a chud”
Chud identified
Nah just every corpo lover is a chud.
It’s been a few months, did it happen?
I wish
There sure are a lot of accounts here NOT from .world throwing in their opinions
This is !fediverse@lemmy.world not !support@lemmy.world
It’s a thread specifically about .world
Any admins of Lemmy.world reading this? Can we tag them?
Not that it will make any difference to either of us.
You get how federation works right?
Alright genius! Enlighten me
What do you want a different instance so will this instance does has no effect on you
Lol
It doesn’t seem like tagging on Lemmy is working at the moment, but you could reply to the thread on Mastodon tagging them there, and that would work (only if you tag their Mastodon accounts, lemmy accounts don’t support tagging on Mastodon, as far as I’m aware).
Federate with
Defederate from
Yes.
Yeah, let’s defederate from a major player that wants to participate in the decentralized nature of this protocol. That way we further fragment Mastodon and guarantee its failure in the long run! Good call!!!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish
This kind of shit happened before, lets not let it happen again.
If you want corporate control go back to Facebook and Reddit. Seriously. There are places that do what you want already, no need to corrupt this one too.
Is threads federating with Lemmy??? I thought it was federating with mastodon (and mastodon-like).
Once you implement ActivityPub, you federate with everything that uses ActivityPub. Your server might simply not see every other server yet, but you’re on the same network. With the current implementation, Lemmy will never display a Threads post and Threads will never display a Lemmy thread/comment. But they might send data to each other.
That makes sense, thanks for the explanation.
Doesn’t this mean defederation is kinda pointless though, since meta could just stealth-add an activitypub server that did nothing but record all data?
Seems like everyone who is “for” letting threads stay can be summed up by “why would I want to intentionally separate this from a corporate entity when they’ll just get my data anyway” Like that’s a fucking valid argument.
Oppose corpos at all fronts, it doesn’t matter if they’ll get you anyway. If that’s your take, then if your country ever gets invaded, I expect you to bend over and invite the enemy inside.
I don’t understand. Facebook can get data from an open system whenever they feel like it.
Fetch authorization may be able to prevent that.
I mean there are ways around that (i.e. activitypub proxy) however I think the key point to remember is that by defederating you are saying no and not giving consent. If somebody decides to spin up an instance of activitypub proxy to go around that, it’s a very different situation than choosing to federate.
That’s the important key when you don’t give them consent and they barge in anyway it changes the dynamic, and makes them look bad, to all but the most brainwashed chuds. However when you let them in that won’t happen, it’s just on you (you being instance owner who chose to federate).
So the “we should federate and give them consent because they’re going to take the data anyway” argument is a really bad argument because it devilifies them in that situation, because they were given consent to do it by federating, but weren’t given consent when they set up instances of activitypub proxy to skirt the block.
I know the majority of people making this argument aren’t even going to read this response, and I’m sure that a good amount of them are just astroturfers (there’s already threads astroturfing elsewhere online, it wouldn’t be surprising to me to find it in the biggest Lemmy instance out of all of them).
Like that’s a fucking valid argument.
It’s not. Which is why it’s so ridiculous that OP is making it.
allowing them to hoover up our data
Hate to break it to you, but the fediverse is public. Most instances don’t even require an account for read-only access. If Facebook wants your data they don’t need to federate to get it.
And realistically, there’s nothing stopping them from setting up a bunch of nondescript shell instances to gather data anyway.
The amount of Meta bootlickers in this thread is incredible.
People don’t get that with money they can do whatever they want. Want to do something illegal, just do it because you have unlimited funds to pay your legal team to clean up the mess afterwards. We are absolutely powerless against something that can litigate you to death. Defederating is the only power we have. There is no way to react to anything that happens. There are no consequences for their actions. They don’t even answer to any governments.
mastodon and Lemmy users jumping to conclusion with weird gatekeeping nonsense and conspiracy theories? shocker. and they wonder why mastodon didn’t take off post twitter.
What rock do you live under that you think Meta isn’t an active threat to the privacy of literally everyone in the world?
Yall remember that time Facebook did an internal study of the massive psychological harm it and instagram was causing teen girls, then kept it secret and did nothing about it?
“Aspects of Instagram exacerbate each other to create a perfect storm,” said one internal report, which said pressure to share only the best moments and to look perfect could pitch teenagers into depression, low self-esteem and eating disorders.
“Issues like negative social comparison and anxiety exist in the world, so they’re going to exist on social media too,” Newton said. “That doesn’t change the fact that we take these findings seriously, and we set up a specific effort to respond to this research and change Instagram for the better.”
Yes it’s true, looking at pictures of pretty people all day can make some people feel less pretty about themselves. Shocking, I know.
Odd how you left out the part about them trying to use the study to make instagram better. Totally no bias on your part!
Would you be more or less upset if they didn’t care to study it at all? Genuinely curious how you think them trying to understand their platform better makes you angry.
Your entire post history is just defending facebook.
I don’t even use Facebook nor have I ever.
I was more of a Google+ kind of nerd.
is exist in head
