I think it’s pretty safe to say that the majority of us are here to avoid another corporate takeover of our preferred platforms. It would seem to me to be a tad irresponsible to allow Facebook into our space with open arms, allowing them to hoover up our data. I would love to keep using Lemmy.world, but will happily change instances if need be, and I feel many share that sentiment.
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There sure are a lot of accounts here NOT from .world throwing in their opinions
This is !fediverse@lemmy.world not !support@lemmy.world
It’s a thread specifically about .world
Let’s federate with Threads. Let’s not jump to conclusions beforehand.
I want to give them the benefit of the doubt and see how they behave. We can always defederate later.
am release goldfish because want to give him benefit of doubt
can always remove later
Seems like everyone who is “for” letting threads stay can be summed up by “why would I want to intentionally separate this from a corporate entity when they’ll just get my data anyway” Like that’s a fucking valid argument.
Oppose corpos at all fronts, it doesn’t matter if they’ll get you anyway. If that’s your take, then if your country ever gets invaded, I expect you to bend over and invite the enemy inside.
Like that’s a fucking valid argument.
It’s not. Which is why it’s so ridiculous that OP is making it.
I don’t understand. Facebook can get data from an open system whenever they feel like it.
Fetch authorization may be able to prevent that.
I mean there are ways around that (i.e. activitypub proxy) however I think the key point to remember is that by defederating you are saying no and not giving consent. If somebody decides to spin up an instance of activitypub proxy to go around that, it’s a very different situation than choosing to federate.
That’s the important key when you don’t give them consent and they barge in anyway it changes the dynamic, and makes them look bad, to all but the most brainwashed chuds. However when you let them in that won’t happen, it’s just on you (you being instance owner who chose to federate).
So the “we should federate and give them consent because they’re going to take the data anyway” argument is a really bad argument because it devilifies them in that situation, because they were given consent to do it by federating, but weren’t given consent when they set up instances of activitypub proxy to skirt the block.
I know the majority of people making this argument aren’t even going to read this response, and I’m sure that a good amount of them are just astroturfers (there’s already threads astroturfing elsewhere online, it wouldn’t be surprising to me to find it in the biggest Lemmy instance out of all of them).
allowing them to hoover up our data
Hate to break it to you, but the fediverse is public. Most instances don’t even require an account for read-only access. If Facebook wants your data they don’t need to federate to get it.
And realistically, there’s nothing stopping them from setting up a bunch of nondescript shell instances to gather data anyway.
The amount of Meta bootlickers in this thread is incredible.
People don’t get that with money they can do whatever they want. Want to do something illegal, just do it because you have unlimited funds to pay your legal team to clean up the mess afterwards. We are absolutely powerless against something that can litigate you to death. Defederating is the only power we have. There is no way to react to anything that happens. There are no consequences for their actions. They don’t even answer to any governments.
I agree. Defederate.
Federate with
Defederate from
It’s been a few months, did it happen?
I wish
mastodon and Lemmy users jumping to conclusion with weird gatekeeping nonsense and conspiracy theories? shocker. and they wonder why mastodon didn’t take off post twitter.
What rock do you live under that you think Meta isn’t an active threat to the privacy of literally everyone in the world?
is exist in head
Yall remember that time Facebook did an internal study of the massive psychological harm it and instagram was causing teen girls, then kept it secret and did nothing about it?
“Aspects of Instagram exacerbate each other to create a perfect storm,” said one internal report, which said pressure to share only the best moments and to look perfect could pitch teenagers into depression, low self-esteem and eating disorders.
“Issues like negative social comparison and anxiety exist in the world, so they’re going to exist on social media too,” Newton said. “That doesn’t change the fact that we take these findings seriously, and we set up a specific effort to respond to this research and change Instagram for the better.”
Yes it’s true, looking at pictures of pretty people all day can make some people feel less pretty about themselves. Shocking, I know.
Odd how you left out the part about them trying to use the study to make instagram better. Totally no bias on your part!
Would you be more or less upset if they didn’t care to study it at all? Genuinely curious how you think them trying to understand their platform better makes you angry.
Your entire post history is just defending facebook.
I don’t even use Facebook nor have I ever.
I was more of a Google+ kind of nerd.
And with Discourse. No federation with companies !
At least Discourse’s softwares are open source, and it as well as many other companies having plans joining Fediverse don’t have a long history of EEE, supporting or letting extremists exist on their platforms and rampage,… like Meta. Meta has a long history of bad deeds so they would get any benefit of doubt.
No.
I will be leaving if lemmy.world defederates with threads.
Just give users the ability to block instances themselves so we can be done with this.
Stop letting other people make decisions for you.
Question: did you read the article linked? If the answer is yes and the comment still reflects your opinion, please leave
Where is the linked article? The only link I’m seeing in the post is to the homepage. Not sure if my mobile client is not showing me something.
The reason to link the article the guy is just an idiot.
I read the users can blacklist instances already, from the latest Lemmy release note.
I’ve heard this, but haven’t seen it explained how to do it.
And you’re free to do so, that’s the entire point of a decentralised system.
They aren’t making decision for anyone but themselves, again, as is the point.
If you don’t agree with whatever they do, find an instance you do agree with or start your own.
Staying or leaving has the same amount of personal agency.
Don’t wait, you can leave right now.
You are either blissfully ignorant of how corporations work, or you are a corporate shill.
Well they ask the question I don’t understand why you would respond with hostility either answer the question or don’t comment.
It’s just the mob mentality taking hold.
No, its people capable of looking back and recognizing mistakes that were made, and not wanting to repeat them.
Meanwhile a bunch of corporate white knights are screaming about how its unfair to be mean to billion dollar companies, and how they totally wont do the the destructive, exploitative bullshit this time, that they’ve done every other time in the past.
Oh federated social media has been tried before? Til
Congrats, That is the most obvious and intentional wooosh I’ve ever seen.
and I bet you think you’re so clever with it.
I am serious, I don’t see how the argument that centralized social media sites like Facebook, reddit or X were “taken over” when they are outright owned by those companies. It’s a completely different situation with the fediverse were they literally can’t have the same power as they don’t hold the keys to everyone’s servers, the development of activity pub as a whole or anything of that nature. It’s literally a completely different situation.
“Stop letting other people make decisions for you”
“If you do X I am leaving”
Maybe you should stop letting people make decisions for you.
Be bold, be brave, and just go ahead and leave now.
Crazy how many people like you reply to me as if they have a point.
Oh well, at least it makes ignoring easier. Goodbye.
Just go join threads. I’m sure its full of people just like you. You’ll feel right at home with other people who feel the need to loudly announce departures and pretending to put people on ignore.
I am still new at this. If I block threads, and lemmy.world doesn’t defederate, will threads users still see my posts and comments in the communities I participate in? Is the relationship recpricol?
If not… What incentive is there to give my (admittedly mediocre) content to a mega corp whose goal is to take over this space?
I’m genuinely asking.
Good question. I’m not sure. I still don’t even know how users can block entire instances, just communities within those instances.
blocking instances for users was added in 0.19. it works like community block: you don’t see any posts from an instance, but you can see the activity of users from that instance on any other instances where they do stuff.
https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/pull/3869
[this is not an endorsement of deferating with any meta product. i believe in deplatforming hostile actors, which they’ve well and truly proven themselves to be.]
Yeah, let’s defederate from a major player that wants to participate in the decentralized nature of this protocol. That way we further fragment Mastodon and guarantee its failure in the long run! Good call!!!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish
This kind of shit happened before, lets not let it happen again.
If you want corporate control go back to Facebook and Reddit. Seriously. There are places that do what you want already, no need to corrupt this one too.
I’m actually really trying to play devils advocate… But I’m struggling.
I came to get away from the main stream socials.
I came to minimise my farmed data footprint.
I came to find other like minded people.
These principals alone are shared by quite a few I guess.
If we end up hooked up to the machine we were trying to escape from then coming here was near pointless.
I came to get away from the main stream socials.
You came to the wrong place. This was always the goal.
I came to get away from the main stream socials.
You still can. Just block threads.net instance in things like Mastodon and Lemmy.
I came to minimise my farmed data footprint.
Your data is public in fediverse. They can scrape even right as we speak.
I would need someone to confirm this, but I have heard that if you block, then it prevents their instance from scraping your data because they shouldn’t receive your content if they are blocked, but it doesn’t change the public data being available by other means anyways.
I came to find other like minded people.
Follow hashtags and communities that are your interest. Block users and/or instances you would rather not see or be part of. Also, you can find an instance that fits your values that is already blocking instances you disagree with.
I am mostly indifferent of Threads joining at this time, but those that are not in favor, there are options.
I’m not joking when I say our only sure way of escaping the machine is to get an off-grid cabin in the woods and no longer participate in the internet.
At this point I’m limiting what I access and where. I’m targeting a more 1990’s internet experience. I love learning and technical stuff and would miss it if I went off grid, no matter how tempting that is.
I think you’re not seeing the bigger picture: Give up and leave will have exactly one effect. Less people stand against the “machine” and the “woods” gets more and more cabins until the machine get wind of it and comes there too.
The only solution is to fight it and kill it.
What public info could they gather? My IP?
I’m copying pasta from my previous reply on other post
Once they can interact with your account, they can pull your data into their server and analyzing it to deliver ads campaign.
Just look at this
They can connect the point of interest based on their users interactions with other users on other instances. It doesn’t matter even if you don’t use their apps, they just need to connect the points.
Whenever an account from Threads upvote/ downvote or reply to your comments/posts or vice versa, Meta will analyze that and they can sell ads based on your political leanings, gender, geo-location, hobbies, marital status etc.
That’s the options from what I saw on fb ads dashboard years ago. If you’re from US, that options are broader and more detailed.
Why is your account marked as a bot?
Oh, no… I was trying to block bot posts, and may have accidentally checked the box.
You’re not fooling anyone.
