The mastodon and lemmy content I’m seeing feels like 90% of it comes from people who are:

  • ~30 years old or older

  • tech enthusiasts/workers

  • linux users

There’s nothing wrong with that particular demographic or anything, but it doesn’t feel like a win to me if the entire fediverse is just one big monoculture.

I wonder what it is that is keeping more diverse users away? Is picking a server/federation too complicated? Or is it that they don’t see any content that they like?

Thoughts?

  • Aes Sedai@lemmy.world
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    2 years ago

    I’ve just blocked the linux communities. I quite liked Linux when I still had reason to use it, but it’s just not something I care to see so frequently when scrolling the FP. Just keep blocking the /c/ you don’t want and eventually you’ll have a curated list of posts you want to see. But maybe i’m just old, ya young bastard. :p

  • Ulu-Mulu-no-die@lemmy.world
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    2 years ago

    That always happens when a new platform is born.

    Tech/nerds are always the ones moving first because they don’t mind the quirks, they’re not scared of bugs or instabilities.

    They start building up communities until the platform is ready for the rest of the people, it was the same for reddit, tho it happened so many years ago the new people wouldn’t even know about it.

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      2 years ago

      To buttress this point I’d like to point out that this software we’re all running is version 0.18.

      I’m not even inviting friends an family yet. I’m still troubleshooting my own experience. I’m not even able to use Lemmy on Firefox on my desktop for some reason.

    • redcalcium@c.calciumlabs.com
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      Reddit used to put their source code on GitHub and people would go in and help fixing bugs or use it to understand the quirk of the system so they can better integrate their 3rd party apps and bots. I still can’t believe they threw away all of those community goodwill.

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      Geeks, Normies, Psychopaths, in that order. As the theory goes anyway: https://meaningness.com/geeks-mops-sociopaths

      Geeks start something, Normies turn it into a thing, psychopaths infiltrate to make money off of it and either make it huge or ruin it or both. We’re at the beginning stage of Normies arriving on the fediverse. Still mostly geeks. Zuck’s threads potentially joining the fediverse is alarming because it’s the psychopaths already at the door.

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    2 years ago

    I just joined and I suspect that you’re correct: there’s an overall learning curve. No snarky tone intended, but explaining decentralization to those who would likely struggle with grasping the basic client/server model is going to be challenge.

    Shoot, I’ve got 10 years pentesting and R&D under my belt and it took me a while to weigh the pros and cons of creating an account on a public instance or self-hosting. (Will self-host eventually…enjoying a test drive.)

    • _g_be@lemmy.world
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      2 years ago

      wait I can selfhost my own lemmy and then use my account from there? … and then I can federate whoever I choose?? … and my have ownership of my own account??? 🤯

      • JustinAngel@lemmy.world
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        Sure can! It’s a bit involved and there are security considerations to take into account. Those who deploy their own instance have to make sure the underlying services are well-configured and patched. This happened yesterday, for instance. Hard to know the exact scope of the compromise, but in bad circumstances it could have compromised everyone’s credentials who has registered on lemmy.world. I’ve no reason to believe that’s the case…just saying it’s a thing.

    • zewm@lemmy.world
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      2 years ago

      I am quite fond of being in a place where bot manipulation and advertisement hasn’t over-taken the entirety of the content. I hope it never reaches Reddit/Insta/Face/Tube status.

  • maegul (he/they)@lemmy.ml
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    2 years ago

    I’ve seen and even tried to run a few polls on age (mostly on mastodon and microblogs).

    The age demographic of the fediverse definitely leans as you think … on average … Xennial tech/academia/nerd oriented. Not too sure linux users are too dominant though.

    As for more diverse users? This isn’t mainstream (yet?). There’s a lot of inertia around the big-social era. It lasted for a long time relative to the history of the internet, ~2008-2022, ~14 years, which is nearly as long as the internet had been around for before then. So many are stuck in their ways and stuck on the idea that there’s only one or two places to be online and they’re on one of them, the “right place”. I saw someone on twitter just yesterday say that they’ll stay on twitter until it goes down and then never go anywhere else because they don’t want to bother with another social media platform.

    It seems that the idea of a monopolised internet is breaking apart and fracturing now, which is a good thing, but not completely good across the board. Where for instance should emergency information be broadcast? Previously I would have checked twitter before mastodon without blinking. Now, Lemmy might actually be pretty good for this (only realising this now as I write). So there’s also a dimension of kinda believing in the big/monopolised social media. This is likely more prevalent amongst younger people, from whom, for example, I’ve heard ideas like that decentralisation is some weird tech-libertarian ideology and that the “town square” is actually a good thing and something that should be committed to. As far as anyone that has any commercial interest in their social media profile like businesses (both small and big!) or journalists, not being the town square, and the lack of apparent “engagement” and “virality” on the fediverse is definitely a turn off. And of course having those types on a platform naturally attracts others. All of which is not to mention that the decentralisation thing is something your average person just doesn’t have the time or patience for and the insistence of some of the people on the fediverse that you should learn about it and that it isn’t hard are off-putting to some.

    In the end, we’ve reached a bit of an impasse it seems, where we’ve culturally outgrown the idea of an important service like our online existence being at the mercy of private corporate whims, but don’t have a clear way out. Accepting that the internet is diverse and not monopolised may just take some time.

    Where the fediverse comes in is that it gives you both a fractured and diverse social media space but also the ability to connect anything to anything with a standardised protocol. It’s a powerful idea, just like that of the internet itself, and whether it’s activity pub or some other standardised protocol, I hope it makes it.

    • PinaAkodaa@lemmy.world
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      2 years ago

      I think you should write a book about the history of the internet and social media, it’s evolution and your future thoughts! Like your ideas!

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    I don’t know what you’re talking about, I’m just your average Hollywood celebrity here to promote my new movie “Barbie”, only in theaters July 21st.

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      I like to think we’re all here like “hah hah, look it’s Margot Robbie” and in a wild turn of events, find out that it actually was all along

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      It’s fun seeing your username pop up in so many things… been a while since I regularly happened upon comments from the same folks over and over all over a site.

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        It’s interesting phase on fediverse, not hard to be well-known right now. I’ve certainly remember some usernames from seeing them at unrelated communities in different instances and they’re aren’t even trying to be popular, just leave thoughtful comments a lot.

  • Uriel-238@lemmy.fmhy.ml
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    To answer your question, for the non-tech-savvy having to pick a server is, yes, too much of a leap. We are conditioned in the industrialized capitalist world against making decisions we don’t understand.

    If we want to market it, we could make a wizard that randomly designates a server from a set of cooperating servers. Include also reminders that a user can join multiple servers and each one has separate rules (say, regarding posting NSFW material even to appropriate communities.)

    I just talked to a Redditor who was entirely unfamiliar with the recent changes at Reddit.

    • bouh@lemmy.world
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      That’s exactly this. It’s not a conditioning from society though, it’s that most people don’t care about how computer works, they want it to work. People here are the same, it’s just that computers are our area of expertise or a interest. People learn about the things they are interested in. The things they use, they only want them to work.

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        Agreed. I might be an information technology aficionado, but I couldn’t care less about how my car works as long as it does its job, so it’d be a bit hypocritical of me to judge the person I pay to fix my car for not being knowledgeable about computers.

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    I actually like that, and I like this about the Fediverse in general: Nothing wrong with YA-oriented media, but I’d rather limit my own online time to stuff - and to a level of debate - that ideally is oriented exclusively towards the topics I’m most interested in, personally.

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    I think that tends to be the starting point, but the user base is expanding quickly and is becoming way more diverse. There are already plenty of users who don’t fit in that category, and I suspect it will continue to grow.

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    Gen Z is really bad at technology, and I don’t know how long it will take them to get good.