• BossDj@lemm.eeEnglish
      201·
      10 months ago

      I read this somewhere else on Lemmy recently (sorry for comment steal):

      American companies that are trying to dismantle unions need to understand that unions were a compromise to protect the companies. Because this is the alternative.

      • FraidyBear@lemmy.worldEnglish
        5·
        10 months ago

        The great part about history is sometimes there’s no need to find a quote when there’s tons of evidence! Here’s a few:

        France, George Besse killed in 85’ due to his “revolutionary” turnaround of a company that included mass layoffs.

        United States Labor Wars which spanned a century of bloodshed and violence. The Labor Wars included the Battle of Blair Mountain where the largest private army in US history was formed and approximately one million rounds were fired.

        There’s a reason your history classes were boring, there’s a reason they opt for American propaganda instead of facts, and there is a reason companies are shitting themselves over union talks. Both the best and worst part about being a history buff is knowing the facts they don’t want you to hear. Be a History Buff with me Limmings! We never meet up, there are no dues, you have no deadlines or tests, and you get to earn dark secrets you can use to torture your friends and family with. It’s great!

        • BlindFrog@lemmy.worldEnglish
          3·
          10 months ago

          If I could carry around a Limmings History Buff Fellowship member card with qr code links to sites like these, it’d be just handy dandy for the torturing-friends-and-family part.

      • chknbwl@lemmy.worldEnglish
        552·
        10 months ago

        This issue extends to politicians as well. If you replace “Ancien Régime” with “Oligarchy-flavored Republic” it’s almost like we’re living the beginning script of the French Revolution here in America. That should induce quite the pandemic of sweaty palms in D.C. If that Oaf gets reelected, we’re gonna have a Louis XVI on our hands… and we all know how that went down…

      • Telodzrum@lemmy.worldEnglish
        26·
        10 months ago

        There’s a quote I can’t seem to find about unions being the compromise because the alternative is showing up at the factory owner’s house.

        The Battle of the Overpass wasn’t that long ago.

        • OnceADream@lemmy.worldEnglish
          32·
          10 months ago

          Found the one I was thinking of:

          Someone should probably tell the rich that workers banding together to present formal address of grievances is the alternative we worked out a long time ago to breaking down the factory owner’s front door and beating him to death in front of his family? I feel like they forgot.

          It was on Twitter, no idea the origin.

    • NateNate60@lemmy.worldEnglish
      10·
      10 months ago

      Watch the so-called “Communist” Party leaders decry this and crush it violently. Marx is rolling so much in his grave that if they attached a generator to him they could power half of China with the electricity

    • Phoenixz@lemmy.caEnglish
      114·
      10 months ago

      You’re a literal slave? You are not paid for the work you do? You work sleep work and nothing else? You are physically and mentally mistreated at work? Does your work make you suicidal? Are you unable to switch to a different job? Do you live under a dictatorial regime? Will you be shot and killed if you try to escape?

      Yeah, I doubt you can honestly say yes to even a single one of those questions. Some of today’s work environments have issues, with a lot of them caused by companies, but a lot of them also caused by the likes of you who do want the perks and the money, but who just flat out refuse to do anything at all beyond complaining and talking about murdering those that did work hard.

      I’ve been a low level employee, I’ve been dirt poor, I worked myself up over the years. I’ve had loads of shitty bosses, I’ve been (technically still am) a company owner, now I’m a C level director. I work hard, work responsibly, and try to do the best for all employees in my teams. Should I be murdered too?

      With people like you it’s not the company that is a problem, you are the problem. Fix your own life before you start threatening those that you don’t like

        • Phoenixz@lemmy.caEnglish
          1·
          10 months ago

          Great argument! Now go back to sitting and being useless to everyone, just like you’re doing now.

      • Crikeste@lemm.eeEnglish
        8·
        10 months ago

        This guy is so staunch in his toxic capitalism at the cost of everything that he didn’t even stop to consider that this may be a joke.

        • Facebones@reddthat.comEnglish
          71·
          10 months ago

          Because it’s not a joke to Phoenixz. He’s just got the boot so far down his throat there’s no alternative. Reading his comment, it sounds like one of those people who owns a job not a business, and/or one of those people who thinks he’s now in the 1%s good graces now that he makes $100k/yr.

      • Wogi@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        10 months ago

        I have been in a position in the past to answer yes to more than one of those questions, many of the people I used to work with still can.

        • Phoenixz@lemmy.caEnglish
          1·
          10 months ago

          So you’re living in a dictatorship, I presume? Because you don’t find any of that crap in any western (ie, capitalist, ooohhh!) country.

          • Phoenixz@lemmy.caEnglish
            11·
            10 months ago

            What dogma? That we should all contribute to society, and get something in return for that?

            Do you understand the mental gymnastics you’re doing here? You literally use the pinnacle of capitalism and science, a mobile phone ( I presume, if not, a computer works too) to bitch about the evils of capitalism and how you want to get rid of it and how evil it is for allowing you to do this in the first place. Because yes, without capitalism, you would not have this phone. You would not have most of the things you take for granted.

            I’m presuming here that you’re young, 15-25 or so, and that you still have a lot of facts to learn about this world. I’ll assume you didn’t learn much history because if you did you’d know that capitalism has a lot of issues, that can and should be resolved, but it’s a buttload better than the alternatives

            • nintendiator@feddit.clEnglish
              2·
              10 months ago

              Gal, chill. Take a dipirone or something. You can criticize the system from within the system. The feudal owners of the pitchforks and guillotines during the Revolution probably noted the irony, too, when they were brought in to weigh.

              • Phoenixz@lemmy.caEnglish
                1·
                9 months ago

                I have no problem with criticizing capitalism, it’s flawed and has many issues that need resolving.

                I have a problem with the types that live in this fantasy world where communism is awesome (yeah it’s not) and where we’ll all go live where we want and have a garden with vegetables in our yard and live off those and it will all be awesome and we will never need capitalism again and we can all ignore real world facts forever, yay!

        • Phoenixz@lemmy.caEnglish
          2·
          10 months ago

          And you are quite literally making shit up and call it an argument. Wage slave? really?

          You are arguing that you kust want to sit and get shit for free? Is that it? Or are you one of those delusional ones that wants to make their own food on their own garden, and somehow believe that that will magically work, even though it obviously can’t?

      • Gabu@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        10 months ago

        Nobody gets paid for the work they do under capitalism. The proletariat gets his value stolen, the Cs and owners get paid for work they didn’t do.

        • Phoenixz@lemmy.caEnglish
          1·
          10 months ago

          So you’ve never received a salary, then? You always worked for free? Because if so, I think there in lies the problem. Go look for a job that is paid, and you’ll no longer be a slave. Problem solved. Next!

        • Phoenixz@lemmy.caEnglish
          1·
          10 months ago

          Maybe learn a little before you start talking about things you don’t understand? You’re literally parrotting nonsense statements that sound cool but mean nothing.

  • Yewb@kbin.social
    474·
    10 months ago

    This is a coal mine canary of the future of china, civil unrest and wealth inequity for everyone!

          • Yewb@kbin.social
            1·
            10 months ago

            USA is reserve currency for a huge chunk of the world, they have to all fail with their local currency first, you need a common ground for international trade - the US is still a reserve currency because oil mostly.

            • ComradeSharkfucker@lemmy.mlEnglish
              4·
              10 months ago

              So you think the civil collapse of two governments with over 2.8 billion citizens collectively would be a good thing because it would make improve the logistics of trade? /gen

          • metaStatic@kbin.social
            11·
            10 months ago

            because maybe it will be enough of a warning for our owning classes that we won’t have to personally get our hands bloody

            • ComradeSharkfucker@lemmy.mlEnglish
              11·
              10 months ago

              I don’t think China or india collapsing would make American billionaires scared. That’s a lot of new people to exploit

            • lledrtx@lemmy.worldEnglish
              2·
              10 months ago

              “2.8B people put under severe unrest is good because it might improve my conditions that are already better than them”

      • doctorcrimson@lemmy.todayEnglish
        3·
        10 months ago

        India has some social issues comparable to the rest of the industrialized world, for sure, but on a completely different scale because of their long arduous history of marginalization and castes. China is an expansionist dictatorship which is a whole other animal.

  • NounsAndWords@lemmy.worldEnglish
    239·
    10 months ago

    The riot occurred at a clothing manufacturing and seafood processing factory

    That…is an interesting combination

    • catloaf@lemm.eeEnglish
      102·
      10 months ago

      Doesn’t China regularly execute managers anyway? I’m completely against the death penalty, but I remember the melamine milk thing resulted in multiple executions (and a bunch of other sentences for other people).

      • rudyharrelson@kbin.social
        174·
        10 months ago

        Dunno if we should justify murder by violent mobs by speculating that the person might’ve deserved it.

        • I'm back on my BS 🤪@lemmy.worldEnglish
          152·
          10 months ago

          I agree with you, but I also understand the French people taking King Louis and Marie Antoinette to the guillotine. Just saying, the situation there might be so intense and oppressive, that the killing could at least be understood even if not just. We just don’t know enough :/

          • rudyharrelson@kbin.social
            9·
            10 months ago

            I agree the situation is oppressive and untenable, but the plant manager isn’t the same as a King. We don’t know if the plant manager had the actual power to fix anything, given the corruption and embezzling going on behind the scenes. A King is the top of the pyramid, this guy wasn’t necessarily, so I don’t condone his murder based on pure speculation. The French people didn’t have to speculate that the King and Queen were directly responsible for the peoples’ misery and oppression.

            We just don’t know enough.

            I would say that’s a good reason not to condone mob violence, not a reason to support it.

      • magnetosphere@kbin.social
        115·
        10 months ago

        😂 good point. I’m just thinking that since it’s NK, the “manager” probably didn’t have much more freedom or authority than the employees did. I’d be very surprised if he benefited from the embezzlement. I’d expect the higher ups to take it all.

        • Eldritch@lemmy.worldEnglish
          42·
          10 months ago

          North Korean workers in China. The Mexicans of China if you will. The plant manager wasn’t likely going to buy mega yachts. But finding someone with so little regard for their fellow humans carries a pay bump there. Just as it does in the western world.

    • paddirn@lemmy.worldEnglish
      162·
      10 months ago

      Might depend on the Plant manager. If they were just a regular person trying to do their job, then yeah, that’s a pretty shitty thing to do. Like, I understand when my manager needs us to do certain things or pushes on some aspect, they’re under the gun as much as us workers to get results. I actually get along well with my managers and I like all of them, I even actually enjoy my job a bit. Not sure how I’d react though if I wasn’t getting paid, that’s kind of pushing people into desperation.

      If the person was the cause of many of their misgivings and was just a general prick to everybody, then… I don’t know, maybe they had it coming? Article only mentioned a “representative” though, so not sure why that person in was singled out, maybe it was an NK internal security person who reported people to their government?

    • Clent@lemmy.worldEnglish
      313·
      10 months ago

      Better than anything occurring here. American workers are all talk.

      • jimbolauski@lemm.eeEnglish
        11·
        10 months ago

        Do you believe the conditions between US workers and North Korean workers in China are similar?

        • Clent@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          10 months ago

          Wrong question; don’t give a fuck.

          Anyone who accepts their servitude because someone else’s situation is worse is a fucking moron.

          So the question is: Are you a fucking moron?

          I’m not. Are you?

          • jimbolauski@lemm.eeEnglish
            01·
            10 months ago

            I’m not so sure the 4th part or your statement is true.

            A much higher percentage of US workers are satisfied with their jobs, that’s why they don’t riot.

    • RizzRustbolt@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      10 months ago

      Until China has to kill all of them because North Korea won’t take them back.

      Welcome to the Rednecks, North Koreans.

        • orrk@lemmy.worldEnglish
          3·
          10 months ago

          What exactly are you confused about?

          That the Chinese and North Koreans would rather kill 2000 people than pay them? Or The history and origin of the original Redneck?

          • NateNate60@lemmy.worldEnglish
            2·
            10 months ago

            I don’t think they’ll be killed. Neither North Korea nor China are that stupid. I do think that they’ll be forced to work until they drop and paid nothing or paid a pittance, even by Chinese standards, with the bulk of the value of their labour being split between the company that they work for and the Chinese and North Korean states.

            • orrk@lemmy.worldEnglish
              4·
              10 months ago

              dude, they decided to have a little uprising and decapitated their boss (who in systems like china gets the job because of government connections), they have done a lot worse for a lot less

    • poo@lemmy.worldEnglish
      4·
      10 months ago

      I literally said to myself “hell yeah!” reading the headline, and then opened to find it was the top comment 😂

    • xenoclast@lemmy.worldEnglish
      5·
      10 months ago

      North Koreans in China showing the world how it’s done. Who had THAT on their bingo card ?

      Americans forget their middle class existed for the short time it did exactly because of actions like this.

      You don’t fight the enemy sitting on your toilet reading Lemmy posts. (It’s still fun though)