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  • TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee
    31·
    10 months ago

    I’m guessing the claim is that saying “Israel is killing children” present a “false” narrative (presumably, false to them). Like you can imagine someone saying “Stop this man from killing puppies!” and it makes him look pretty bad even if he’s not a puppy killer.

    What’s unfortunate is that instead of responding to “false” narratives by pointing out the falsehoods (“Actually all those bombed children’s hospitals were faked!” /s), instead this person just attacks the character of the person saying it. It’s basically name-calling or tone policing at best. I’m guessing because there’s no good argument in support of Netanyahu’s actions. Only zealots would support him.

    • Phoenixz@lemmy.ca
      6·
      10 months ago

      I don’t think anyone relates the Jewish people to that genocide, they relate the state of Israel to that genocide, because it does.

      • kase@lemmy.world
        6·
        10 months ago

        My understanding is that the person who originally called criticism of the Israel gov ‘antisemitism’ is the one equating Jewish people with the state of Israel

  • mcvikingqueef@lemm.ee
    22·
    10 months ago

    There are Jewish Muslims that live in Palestine. Would it not be antisemitic of Israel to a attack an area that houses Jews of any sect and faith?

    • John_McMurray@lemmy.world
      4·
      10 months ago

      Judaism is a religion, not a race. Plenty of people of the race commonly associated with Judsism who aren’t Jews. Like your average Palestinian.

    • Zevlen@lemmy.world
      1·
      10 months ago

      Jewish Muslims lol?

      So I can be a Christian, Jewish , Muslim and a Buddhist all at one time ?

      Yikes. I’ll stick to Atheism.

    • Seudo@lemmy.world
      3·
      10 months ago

      Do you mean Jewish arabs? or Semitic Muslims maybe. Technically Semitic is a language group which includes arabic but like indo-european it can also refer to the people who originally used the dialect… bigotry fails at logic.

  • YTG123@feddit.ch
    4·
    10 months ago

    Antisemitism to Palestinian support is like misandry to feminism. Yeah, some people might be guilty of it (and those who are, misunderstand the latter ideologies), but it’s way overrepresented in opposing media, who is often guilty of such issues itself.

    • merc@sh.itjust.works
      3·
      10 months ago

      Also “Stop Killing Children” or “Demand a Ceasefire Now” aren’t “pro-Palestinian” messages, they’re anti-killing messages.

      Just because the children being killed happen to be Palestinian doesn’t make that a pro-Palestinian message. It can be a general message that is applicable to whoever’s children happen to be getting killed right now.

      If someone says “stop the attacks on civilians now”, how do you even know if they’re talking about Gaza, Ukraine or both?

      • YTG123@feddit.ch
        1·
        10 months ago

        I’d argue that if they put up a Palestinian flag, it’s clear that Palestine is being referred to.

        In principle, though, I agree with your first point

        • merc@sh.itjust.works
          1·
          10 months ago

          Sure, they’re referring to Palestine in this case. But, it doesn’t necessarily mean that they’re fully “pro-Palestine”. They’re undoubtedly pro Palestinian kids. But, that doesn’t mean that they side with Palestine over Israel in the general case.

      • bartolomeo@suppo.fi
        1·
        10 months ago

        Yes but anti-semitism has been co-opted to apply only to Jews (erasure of millions of other semitic people, that is, people who speak a semitic language other than Hebrew) just like the Holocaust has come to mean only the Jewish victims of Nazi genocide, which is erasure of the 5 million other victims in the various groups that were killed by Nazis.

  • LemonLord@endlesstalk.org
    0·
    10 months ago

    I think they have real estate in the occupied Palestine? Every dead palestine child = one apartment more for them? Yes they think in 30 year circles.

    • LemonLord@endlesstalk.org
      01·
      10 months ago

      Thankfully, here, hate comments by the creator are also deleted. Zat is honorable, so I address it as well. Everyone with property should think in 30-year cycles. So here as well. That’s how colonialism works. You take the land for free. And that creates value for you. I became skeptical soon after the Gaza Strip was sealed off. None from the IDF went in. Instead, sealing off and while the bombs fell for weeks: parties, selfies. Who paid for the bombs? Wasn’t the hostage situation urgent? Also, pay attention: starvation is much worse. Especially for the children. Lasting damage. If the Palestinians are now displaced. Who will bear the cost for them? Do some research yourself. Then it’s like a slap in the face, what’s going on here.

    • Malle_Yeno@pawb.social
      3·
      10 months ago

      Implying that Jewish people at large need to be told not to murder children because of the actions of Israel is actually anti-Semitic. Citing parts of the Torah to slander Jews when the topic is about Israel is anti-Semitic.

      There are Jewish activists who oppose Israel (and Israel abuses them for their activism when they live there, or outright bans them from ever visiting Israel if they live elsewhere). And there are Jewish Palestinians too.

      • Rentlar@lemmy.ca
        0·
        10 months ago

        The Australian Jewish Association posting a picture like the one in the post kind of implicates Jews at large if such actions aren’t widely condemned and taken back, even if it seems anti-Semitic to do so.

        That said there are many Jews that advocate for peace and to end this violence.

        Just one example of many: https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/

        Unfortunately it’s overshadowed by a massive suppression campaign all over the world to hide voices of protest and justify the occupation.

        • derphurr@lemmy.world
          01·
          10 months ago

          Yep, all cops aren’t bad, just a few… So because there are a handful of Israelis who don’t support murdering women and children, you can’t criticize any Israelis or their leaders or their country. It’s just a massive conspiracy to hide that overwhelming protest against stealing land and killing children.

        • Malle_Yeno@pawb.social
          1·
          10 months ago

          The Australian Jewish Association posting a picture like the one in the post kind of implicates Jews at large if such actions aren’t widely condemned and taken back…

          No it absolutely does not. Pointing at an organization’s statement and placing the responsibility of finding and condemning the message on Jewish people is insane. Do you think Jewish people are a hive mind or something?

          The Australian Jewish Association is openly a pro-Israel and right wing organization. They say as much on their website. Why are you comfortable pointing at anything the org says and painting it as widely representative of Jewish views?

          Unfortunately it’s overshadowed by a massive suppression campaign all over the world to hide voices of protest and justify the occupation.

          A campaign that you’re not helping to oppose by pointing at the AJA and holding Jewish people culpable for its messages, nor by citing the Torah to slander Jewish people as child killers.

  • answersplease77@lemmy.world
    3·
    10 months ago

    It’s anti-semitic to ask you to stop killing children who lived their whole lives unable to leave their borders and were not even born when Hamas was “elected” in their reigon?

    Is it anti-semitism to advocate to stop a “war” which you waged against a besieged province inside your country which you are controlling their water, electricity, food, fuel, and all natural resources, and starving amd killing and crippling for all life children and women who are over %70 of the victims?

  • PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca
    01·
    10 months ago

    When you plaster this shit on Jewish-owned businesses ya that’s anti semitic.

    Jews≠Israel so boycotting and blaming Jewish owned businesses because you’re angry at what Israel is doing is antisemitic. Jews are not a monolith. This is like targeting Chinese owned businesess with COVID conspiracies.

    Y’all reactionaries are honestly just as dumb as MAGAts.

  • archonet@lemy.lol
    5·
    10 months ago

    Now, I realize Israel and it’s people have had a long and storied history of being persecuted by others, however, there’s a limit to how far you can stretch that sort of “woe is us” pity when the modern history of the country most representative of modern Judaism – at least, that’s how I kind of thought of it, a sort of “Jewish Vatican/Mecca”, correct me if I’m wrong as I’m not Jewish – will be recorded as not only actively engaged in committing such terrible acts (no matter the enemy), but is proud of it. I could see them trying to deny or “deny” it, you know, pay these IDF atrocities lip-service and give commanders a light finger-wag, that sort of thing. It’s the Israeli government after all, anyone who thinks they don’t have a massive intelligence apparatus shaping opinions at home and abroad is a fool – but for so many to be as proud of it as they are, god. I should be over this by now, but it’s just… upsetting. Make no mistake, the acts they commit today will be written about in the history textbooks, and they will be used to justify further future antisemitism – anyone who doesn’t fear another Adolf Hitler hasn’t been paying attention to the fucking news. This cycle of hate shouldn’t continue, and yet I see no end in sight.

    • hex_m_hell@slrpnk.net
      3·
      10 months ago

      Israel is not representative of modern Judiasm. It’s representative of modern settler colonialism. There are a lot of Jews who have opposed the existence of Israel since the idea of Zionism came up. Don’t conflate Judiasm with colonialism in it’s name.

      • archonet@lemy.lol
        0·
        10 months ago

        Great if you believe that, but how many other people do? How do you think it will change things in the eyes of all the far-right parties on the rise today?

        They won’t care.