How do you know this?
Isn’t it because other instances were asked to do the same and revealed that fact?
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You want them to be transparent about whether they attended a meeting, but you refuse to be transparent as to why you know they even went to the meeting at all?
If you’re still using this account, I run my own. If you set up a domain and $5 Linode, just spin one up and follow the Ansible instructions. Setting up Lemmy was SHOCKINGLY easy for all the shit Lemmy is actually responsible for handling.
I will not ask my fellow lemmy community members to blindly trust me on this.
Ok, I don’t trust you.
“Use your judgment”
Based on allegations from a random internet person, with nothing to substantiate their claims, about a meeting that may or may not have taken place, where it’s being assumed that Lemmy.world’s admin has ill intent.
Q anon people have more reliable information than this.
I will not expose my sources BUT OTHERS SHOULD BE TRANSPARENT
I will not ask my fellow lemmy community members to blindly trust me on this.
This is the primary thing you are asking people to do. Literally everything else you said hinges on people blindly trusting you.
I understand wanting to protect your sources. But you’re taking it to the other extreme by providing literally nothing except unprovable claims. Give us something, anything, even an easily faked email or pm. Just anything that requires even the slightest bit of effort beyond just typing up straight lies.
That’s a pretty long-winded way to try to make hot air grow solid.
I will not ask my fellow lemmy community members to blindly trust me on this
But you are, so … 🤷♂️
Are you basing your claim solely on the email that kev@fosstodon.org shared, which mentioned no other mastodon server admins, or is there other evidence that you are aware of?
You don’t seem to be aware of the meaning of that link. If people got approached to sign a contract to not be legally allowed to talk about the contract or meeting, then its very strong evidence that lemmy.world admins have signed the agreement.
OPs claims are logical. I don’t care about the anecdote of someone dobbing someone in, just the hard logic that NDA signers can’t talk about it legally.
Apparently the admins at Universodon had no problem putting this drama to rest weeks ago:
The nda wasn’t because of some absurd agreement but just the fact they’re launching a new project and we’re getting access to engineers and product team to discuss what the relationship could be. And they went well. https://universeodon.com/@supernovae/110600321409021802
There was no deal signing or any bullshit like that - that’s all fake news.
The nda is because none of this stuff is released and it’s up to meta to share details or admins to join the ongoing calls to learn in advance of launch what is going on.
I don’t know why this blew up like it did.
It’s admins doing due diligence ahead of a major product launch and getting access to engineers on the teams making it happen. https://universeodon.com/@supernovae/110600310078347561
There’s pretty strong speculation, and it’s not unreasonable, but there’s zero evidence of anything.
All that email shows evidence of is that a representative of Meta approached the server admin of fosstodon.org and proposed a sit-down. That’s literally all it is.
There is no mention of 1) who else was invited, or 2) who else attended, 3) that an NDA would need to be signed, and (perhaps most importantly) 4) that the proposed discussion even happened in the first place.
Talk about jumping to conclusions.
I feel that it is important for you substantiate your claims or credibility to some extent before making potentially inflammatory moves - if you want the community to question the lemmy.world team, that is.
To put it simply, so what?
To put it bluntly, IDGAF. Crybabies lol
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Actually, it was my first home before I started my own instance and I still maintain a presence here.
And, seeing as you said you would answer any questions in this thread and then subsequently blew of my legitimate question with a snarky remark, well, I think that’s a clear sign of where this thread is going.
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What is the big step about shutting down a 1 week old account?
That’s literally my only question. Why is this such a big deal, now?
This was put to bed weeks ago on a Mastodon thread that included all the big MastoAdmims.
https://mastodon.online/@mastodonmigration/110599608755384963
If you have a signed NDA contract then technically you are controlled by that contract. You could say if any admin signs it, then that admin is controlled by meta. If the head admin signed it, then lemmy.world would be controlled by meta in a legal sense. Not fully controlled, just contractually controlled in part(or secretly full and they wouldn’t be allowed to say).
Just so you know, these things play out in micro steps where people are never outraged enough to take meaningful action. You can drag out a takeover to take decades if you want.
The only point that matters is meta is evil, anyone that has any voluntary meaningful interaction with them is complicit, we should shun the complicit or we become complicit.(within reason and civilly of course)
You don’t know what an NDA is lol, NDA = Non Disclosure Agreement, it’s very specifically tied to the things they’re revealing to you, Threads NDA means you can’t talk about what they’re telling you about Threads in that specific meeting, it has NOTHING to do with Lemmy.
Having admins knowing what they’re planning isn’t bad IMO, they more you know, the better you can counteract them.
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Holy shit the amount of paranoia in this thread is terrifying. I good y’all are taking care of yourselves out there.
And we haven’t even gotten to the part where we’ve actually established that someone did or did not have a conversation never mind whether anyone signed an NDA so my question remains, unaltered and unanswered.
Why hasn’t the there been an announcement when we repeatedly ask for confirmation? If he signed the NDA then they legally cant talk, and that seems to be happening now.
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Conspiracy just pours out of you, eh? If that’s all you have to operate with then be wrong twice over for the same price.
The only realistic thing that the NDA could have contained was stipulations around leaking details about Threads. Who cares. Some admins probably wanted an inside look so they agreed to not leak any details. That does nothing to put their instances under the control of Meta. Yeah sure the admins are “controlled by the contract”… to not share any secrets about Threads. Again who cares.
People dreaming up scenarios about the NDAs including clauses that let Meta control instances or their admins are delusional. As someone working in tech I sign NDAs all the time when I visit my friend’s companies. It doesn’t mean they have any control over me besides stopping me from leaking stuff that I see inside the company.
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Fwiw, after lemmy.ml announced last week that they would preemptively block/defed anything owned by Meta, and lemmy.world didn’t, I got the heebie-jeebies and relocated my main account to .ml. I’ve learned to listen to little red flags like that and now this.
Edit: just to add that it might be nothing. I hope it’s nothing and that I’m overreacting. But…
Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out, you magical loon!
So dramatic lol
Maybe they signed an NDA and don’t want to get sued? Or maybe it’s just made up? How are we to know?
We know because it was explained weeks ago:
The nda wasn’t because of some absurd agreement but just the fact they’re launching a new project and we’re getting access to engineers and product team to discuss what the relationship could be. And they went well. https://universeodon.com/@supernovae/110600321409021802
There was no deal signing or any bullshit like that - that’s all fake news.
The nda is because none of this stuff is released and it’s up to meta to share details or admins to join the ongoing calls to learn in advance of launch what is going on.
I don’t know why this blew up like it did.
It’s admins doing due diligence ahead of a major product launch and getting access to engineers on the teams making it happen. https://universeodon.com/@supernovae/110600310078347561
https://universeodon.com/@mastodonmigration@mastodon.online/110599608817744057
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My uncle who works at Nintendo also attended that meeting
But you won’t say why or how?
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I think it took a lot of courage to do what you did. Good luck to you and as for the admins, I will give them the benefit of the doubt. They are the biggest instance so they have to weigh in all options. This is the beauty of the fediverse, you can do what you want.
“you can do what you want”
So far, that’s not been my experience. I tried deleting my lemmy.world instance/account but it didn’t work. I posted to lemmy.world Support and have not received any response https://lemmy.world/post/1230305. It’s only been 3 days, so I’ll give it some more time. Though I thought I would at least get a reply acknowledging receipt. The only response to my post was another person experiencing the same problem.
Nah bruv, you’ve my attention.
They signed an NDA so they probably can’t talk about it. Which sucks. (This is known because the larger mastodon servers were approached and the lemmy.world admin runs mastodon.world which is one of the biggest mastodon servers)
There’s been reports of people being in the ML/Ai industry asked to sign NDA’s by facebook and then essentially told to sit around and do nothing to essentially hold their competition captive.
There is no evidence that the proposed meeting even took place or which admins were invited, let alone that attendees would be required to sign an NDA.
Stop spreading FUD based on nothing.
Its not based on nothing. Its based on reports from multiple mastodon admins and assumed since the lemmy.world/mastodon.world admin is a huge server admin and is yet to deny signing any NDA like others have.
Its clearly not evidence but I’ll take his silence as a warrant canary not being updated until he states he hasn’t signed an NDA.
The evidence is fairly nondescript, though. At the very most, assuming that the rumors are true and an NDA was signed, the most likely explanation for that is that Meta didn’t want details of their new product leaking out before launch.
All this conjecture and insinuation that Mastodon.World admins have done something underhand/shady is just hysterical nonsense.
I’m supposed to stop using Lemmy because some random user with no evidence said that one of the admins went to a meeting?
Who said anything about stop using Lemmy? The beauty of Lemmy is that you can just switch instances if you don’t like what the admins at your current instance are doing.
Not that I’m advocating you do that right now based on this post, though you might consider it to spread the load away from the lemmy.world server.
What will switching achieve exactly? Mmm? If the communities you’re interested in are only on lemmy.world, you’ll still be on lemmy.world, even if through other instance proxy.
You’re clearly not getting into the spirit of the current mass hysteria and/or witch-hunt. I’m going to have to ask you to either pick up a torch and/or a pitchfork (note that picking up only one of the two will immediately indicate insufficient hysteria, though you are of course free to do so) and join that queue over there in a disorderly fashion.
Igor! If I’ve told you once I’ve told you a thousand times! Scalpels go on the left, with the pitchforks!
Alright folks, I want to see a nice orderly queue. Pitchforks are at station one, sign one out with either Mandy or Greg(wave to the folks, guys). Station two is where you can pick up a torch. Jeff and Kenny will help you out over at station two. After getting your torch and pitchfork, please proceed to the staging area, Steph will get you all in position, and get your torches lit.
Alright guys! Enjoy your rabid mob!I miss pitchfork guy and his assistant…
I got mad at Lex Luger for the same thing in 1993. Until I found out it was Tatanka who sold out.
The audacity
*it’s spelled “Audible”, don’t you remember the secret sponsorship meeting we all had with Amazon?
Stop posting cringe, it’s insane to care this much about a non-problem. You don’t have to subscribe to world if quality changes, or even be on the fediverse, or online!
You’re enjoying this place so much you’ll start a bunch of drama Alex jones style to save it? Oof.
Care to provide evidence of this?
Lemmy.world is already quite large, for decentralization it would be better if people would use other instances and balance the sizes.
I’m having a hard time understanding why anyone should care about this at all?
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Wow, that’s it?
this was about as informative as u/spez’s Reddit AMA about third party apps.
If we take you at your word, one lemmy.world admin didn’t disclose one meeting they had with Meta - and from the sounds of it, you don’t even know the nature of the meeting itself. It could very well be a long meeting where they expressed interest in federating with Threads, or it could be a very short meeting where they said “lmfao go fuck yourselves”.
That and you practically going on like “lemmy bros I don’t want you to blindly follow me but Imma make my own Fediverse instance but it’s ok you don’t need to join but just know Imma make an instance with blackjack and hookers it’s gonna be better than this just blindly trust me bro” in some of the posts here just further weakens your accusation.
Can we not pm each other here? Why not just ask him directly without the public spectacle?
You are the only person I’ve seen talk about this supposed meeting - I’m all for transparency but they don’t really need to make a response especially when that one guy is saying “trust me bro”.
