“WOLLEN SIE DEN TOTALEN KRIEG?!?”
Bibi over here testing the limits of Godwin’s Law. Keep it up you fucking genocidal scum!
I’m sure AIPAC has told Netanyahu they won’t let US politicians stop the flow of money and arms to Israel (AIPAC is spending 100 million to keep progressives out of office). The criticism is just theater. Biden only started changing his language when people started voting “uncommitted” in battleground states, and he is still shipping arms to Israel every 36 hours. The Israeli blockade of humanitarian aid is barely mentioned officially, the air-dropped aid is woefully inadequate and little more than virtue signalling. 3 months ago, when Gazan civilian casualties were at 21,000+, Congress passed a bill making criticizing Zionism/Israel legally equal to antisemitism. All this shows that Netanyahu just needs to keep accepting aid and let Biden talk for political reasons until he’s re-elected.
Before starting a war, ask yourself what victory would look like. It appears here that the goal is wiping Gaza entirely and anything short of that will be construed as a loss.
That’s the goal?
They are at 1.5% of the population of Gaza and daily death tolls have fallen month after month. If that’s the goal shouldn’t the killing apparatus become more effective and not 20% less so each month?
Hmm, perhaps your reasoning is flawed.
They are at 1.5% of the population of Gaza and daily death tolls have fallen month after month. If that’s the goal shouldn’t the killing apparatus become more effective and not 20% less so each month?
I’m sorry not enough people are getting killed efficiently enough for you. What do you think ‘Total Victory’ means for Israel here?
What the fuck? Where you get that idea from? I point out an obvious flaw in your reasoning and somehow that means I want more people to die? What’s wrong with you?
They’ve forced most of the population to Rafah on the southern border and are preparing an assault on the city while Egypt is preparing a walled camp just across the border to contain refugees. Sounds like they’re well on track.
Yeah and Hamas leadership continues to use most of Gaza as a human shield. Hamas should have stayed in the north and met their fate, they’re cowards, hiring behind women and kids, but they traveled with the refugees.
Your argument is that there are so many dead that the IDF is killing people more slowly…
Nope you’ve misread.
Monthly death tolls are rising, what are you talking about?
Check your figures.
You’re the one claiming they’re falling, the burden of proof is on you.
I don’t care if you believe me or not, I’m unburdened. The daily death tally is and has been trending downward since this second or third week.
With only 12 out of the 35 hospitals partially functioning, since the rest have been bombed relentlessly and are no longer operational, the death numbers are certainly a conservative estimate And most likely higher. Weird thing to say when millions are on the brink of starvation and dozens have already died of starvation.
So fucking what? 20 less people die each day and that makes it okay for you? Starvation snd disease orchestrated by Israel will kill many more soon but I’m sure you’ll find an excuse.
They are at 1.5% of the population of Gaza and daily death tolls have fallen month after month. If that’s the goal shouldn’t the killing apparatus become more effective and not 20% less so each month?
If Israel was stupid then yeah they’d ramp up the killing after the ICJ ruled that it was a plausible case of genocide. If they were not stupid maybe they would slow down.
So the question is: do you think Israel is stupid?
Yeah remember how when Hitler first shoved all the jews into concentration camps
Then he let them suffer and die in those camps for a while
Then he made dedicated death camps to kill them all
So I guess we should wait until the death toll reaches at least 25% before we start to do anything just like how the allies definitely waited for Hitler to make death camps before fighting with his army.
It’s a stupid comparison.
Then explain why excessive civilian casualties are acceptable lmao
Because that’s Hamas’s strategy, to put people in harms way and then prey on your sympathy. It’s called lawfare.
It’s called Israeli propaganda that has no independent verification and is used by Israel to justify intentionally targeting civilians and civilian infrastructure.
Can see it and verify it for yourself if you’re not blinded by your wildly out of control emotional reactions to everything you see.
Lawfare is a word Israel likes to use when Palestinians appeal to international law.
When we do it, it’s lawfare. When Israel genocides Gaza, it’s just defending itself. And hell has frozen over btw
Large parts of the Israeli public want a deal, fearing that hostages are held in poor conditions and time is running out to bring them home alive.
Are they even thinking at their own people themselves? It seems to me they want the total destruction of gaza, including the hostages cought in these massive operations.
“total victory” sure sounds like they’ve given some thought to their objectives and it’s no accident they’re killing lots of civilians
“final solution” vibes
Sounds even better in German!
“total victory” is no Palestinians and all the land.
Fucking religion and real estate all mixed together and killing innocent people…
Almost everything I hate about the world all in one disgusting package.
There are so many justifications for fascism within religions (Maybe most especially, but not exclusively, Abrahamic)
I wonder how synonymous “total victory” would be with “final solution” if this guy was German in the 1940s
It surely reminds me of the Sportpalast Speech also known as the Total War Speech of Joseph Goebbles.
Do you believe with the Führer and us in the final total victory of the German people? Are you and the German people willing to work, if the Führer orders, 10, 12 and if necessary 14 hours a day and to give everything for victory? Do you want total war? If necessary, do you want a war more total and radical than anything that we can even imagine today?
I wonder if Israel calls their apartheid blocks “ghettos”…
Israel will never know peace.
A perfect punishment for their sins
Jewish Hitler.
actually…Israeli Hitler would be more appropriate. Not all Jews support Ben (and Israel in that matter) … But most Israelis do seem to support Ben, otherwise they could’ve just just gathered around the gov building and demanded his step-down.
No, he’s pretty unpopular there, most polls say that Benny Gantz would beat him easily in an election. That doesn’t mean that they object to his approach to Gaza, or that Gantz would be any better for the Palestinian people.
total victory sounds like “wollt ihr den totalen krieg”
And what, pray tell, is “total victory”?
You know… Total as in “Final” and victory as in “Solution”. It’s more polite than saying genocide.
It’s when you win the total war.
Edit /s, as in reference to this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sportpalast_speech
Gaza’s army, navy and air force have all been defeated. I guess the rest is winning over the locals’ hearts and minds now, right?
I don’t think my sarcasm shone through to you. The term was used by Goebbels in a 1943 speech inspiring the German people for war until extermination.
And after all Palestinians in Gaza are murdered, Netanyahu will bring up that Hamas is also in the West Bank and Lebanon.
All Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank, too? At this rate it will take Israel another 67 years! And then also Lebanon? Lebanon has a million more people than Gaza and the West Bank combined. Won’t check the math on this one but that’ll make it like what, another 90 years.
He knows he has to. Otherwise people would not support him.
And after that, maybe Jordan. Then perhaps Syria. Fascists can’t stay in power without whipping up xenophobia.
Israel has decided to implement a “final solution” to the “Palestinian question”.
There will be no “total victory” without U.S. support. Don’t bite the hand that feeds you.
Great, then we should stop funding their government and military spending. If they won’t stop, we can. Of course we won’t, but we could and should.
Yeah seriously what the fuck is going on. Where’s the line, is there even a line?
There is none.
Not since Kissinger
I cannot find a single person on earth that can give a valid reason for sending them any money or armament whatsoever. We gain absolutely nothing from supporting them. Nothing at all.
Conservatives cry crocodile tears about “wasting money”. Every penny ever sent to Israel has been wasted. It’s not an investment. There is no return. There is no political or financial gain of any kind for us.
I saw a comment the other day that she’d a lot of light on this. Us Military aid to Israel suppresses Israeli arms manufacturing, because they have less need, and boosts their reliance on US arms. It essentially promotes US arms sales not just in Israel, but across the world, as Israel has a fairly strong military industrial complex as is.
Is this a good reason? That’s debatable. It’s a better reason than none though, and it makes things a lot clearer.
US gains an ally in a very important region of the world. They have huge strategic value. Saying there is nothing is misguided.
Looks like allying with Israel has only been detrimental to the US. It’s been great for Zionists who need the US’ protection, though.
Osama bin Laden cited US’ support for Israel as one of the reasons for the 9/11 attacks.
Think about the billions, or perhaps trillions, of dollars the US has lost out on because of its support of Israel.
We need to drop them like a bad habit.
Okay, what’s your point? I’m stating a fact. They have high strategic value. I don’t need to be convinced that it’s expensive or risky
You say they have value as an ally. What benefit has the alliance had for the US? Did Israel contribute soldiers to Iraq or Afghanistan? Did Israel support the Obama administration’s JCPOA or did they try to undermine it and kill it?
It’s a one-way alliance.
Re-read my comment until it makes sense.
I was very clear about my point from the very beginning.
I re read it. I still don’t see why you decided to respond to me stating a fact with a rant. I don’t really care about your opinion and I’m not here to debate whether the US should still support Israel.
Drop that reddit shit and just explain when someone asks.
Lol, what?
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We have an ally next door, Jordan.
We’d probably have more allies if we dropped support.
What we are doing is equivalent to us deciding to support North Korea and being shocked that all of a sudden we lose regional support from just about everyone.
Israel, especially with an ongoing genocide, is toxic to stability and alliances. It isolates more than it gives strategic advantage.
Everyone keeps ignoring Jordan but it literally has the best cultural and economic relations with the US. Were they not even together in the anti ISIS coalition?
But nope, Israeli lobbying is stronger than all of our voices combined.
Maybe fuck off and mind your own business hey?
Had.
They had huge strategic value.
What do you mean, they are still there, the US can still use their shit if they need to.
Tactical value is fleeting. Israel is the reason we can’t afford anything for domestic civilians since 2001.
Like they really need an ally there to bomb middle east to rubble.
It’s not misguided it’s reactionary nonsense. It’s people who literally have no idea what they are talking about and it’s obvious to anyone that does.
Why do we need to be involved in the region at all? We’ve only done more harm than good.
Why are you asking me this?
Because you said they provide huge strategic value. What value is that? Why do we even need to have bases in that area to begin with?
Because it’s part of the US power projection. Asking that is like asking “why does the US need to do anything outside their borders”.
Fair!
In theory, you could make an argument about defending the people living in a hostile region. In practice the government of Israel has been on a hard right slide for decades and have been openly denying basic human rights to the people stranded in Gaza.
In theory, you could make an argument about defending the people living in a hostile region.
There are vulnerable groups in the middle east. Why lavish only this one with billions of dollars of munitions? We do not have any valid reason to support them any more than any other vulnerable group.
The history of post WW2 era is the forcing function. For better or worse.
Yes, there is. A lot of the higher-ups in government believe that Israel is necessary for the Rapture to take place. All the Jews will go there, and then get killed, and all the rich white men here will go to heaven.
I wish I was even joking, but I’m not. They’ll keep Israel going at all costs because of this.
Seven Mountain followers want this fight to end horribly. They’re actually attempting to hasten it.
Strategic Military advantage and I assume access to massad or some collaboration with them and if we stopped every Muslim country would eradicate Isreal at which point the same people yelling genocide Joe would be screaming for us to help Isreal. It’s global politics and its not black and white. Oh and global weapons sales, after all the united states government is more or less just a weapons dealer
Keep protesting. It’s giving the political capital needed for US politicians to say “hey, maybe we should change our relationship with Israel, here”. I know that doesn’t sound like much, but in terms of world politics, it’s a huge change already for them to be able to say that.
Sure you can you’re sticking your head in the sand.
It’s to maintain Israel’s defensive posture as to Iran.
Our weapons and money is not necessary for Israel to carpet bomb all of Gaza and the West Bank several times over before suspending aid altered Israel’s posture as to Gaza.
So right now cotinued support is America’s only leverage. See? Not complicated at all.
Yes mein führer! heels click
It should be known as “The Israeli Self-Defense Genocide” in the history books.
