It’s economically beneficial to live next to a communist country. They’ll build the wall for you.
until it collapses because the wall was too expensive
So the same as contracting to the lowest bidder.
I feel like the poster didn’t mean to infer American capitalism is so great we need a wall to slow people down from entering while communism is so shitty they need a wall to prevent people from escaping.
It’s a strangely pro American capitalism meme for lemmy.
There’s also the walls around most Palestinian settlements, the wall that the Dominican Republic is building to stop Haitians from fleeing their country, the walls (fences with barbed wire) in Hungary…
The tankies are asleep, post anti communist memes!
The community is on lemmy.world so the tankie instances are blocked
Are you sure about that? I don’t see it on the block list
You filtered lemmy.ml, not lemmy.world. Also: it blocks lemmygrad and hexbear not the other way around.
My link was to the list of instances that block Lemmy.ml, and Lemmy.world isn’t on it.
I wouldn’t call lemmy.ml a tankie instance, so that was our misunderstanding
It doesn’t look like Lemmy.world blocks lemmygrad.ml either. https://fba.ryona.agency/?domain=lemmygrad.ml
As refreshing as it is to hear ML keyboards cracking, this is not a meme, nor a shitpost and even being a meme, there is a community for that
Communist democracy:
The idea that the USSR and East Germany were anywhere close to communism is a joke. There were so many offshoots of communism that were just autocracies where the state owned all property that its meaning is pointless now. It’s better to describe then as dictatorships.
As much as I agree with your communism comment the same can be said to our democracy. We are a representative democracy and choose people to choose for us.
Only for the presidential election. All the rest are normal. We’re definitely a representative democracy. Whereas none of the communist countries are anywhere close to Marxist communism.
Agreed. Most if not all democracies today are severely flawed. I’d also argue that the wall depicted here has more to do with these flaws than with democracy
‘Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.…’
Winston S Churchill, 11 November 1947
right after starving 20 million Indians kek
poor country vs rich country
Communism is when Mexico.
Mexico didn’t build a wall. The Eastern Block did in the cold war. Think the Berlin Wall
Both the US and Mexico are capitalist democracies. The meme implies that Capitalists built a wall to keep Communists out.
It’s an awkward meme that doesn’t make much sense.
It doesn’t imply that. It says that (some) capitalist states build walls to keep refugees out (like the US and in a way the EU) while (some) communist states build walls to keep (potential) refugees in (like the GDR)
Agreed. And the (probably unintended) irony is that the Berlin Wall was ostensibly built in order to keep the capitalists out. Be careful what you wish for, especially when it’s a wall. They work both ways.
You don’t really believe the propaganda of the “Antifaschistischer Schutzwall”. The wall was always to keep GDR citizens in.
Nobody ever had the intention to keep capitalists out.Just highlighting the propaganda for those unfamiliar with it. Seemed à propos.
It never implied the wall was specifically for communists.
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Beetwen?
Beetnao.
I wish we had a world where people could cross borders as easily as money does
Now I’m curious on how the correlation actually lies, because it seems like it’s actually correlated. When people can’t enter, money is usually restricted too and vice versa, just like Russia is now. Of course there is smuggling, but it’s for both money and people. Although maybe it shouldn’t be money but “trade” in general.
Hear me out, Exchange citzenchip program. You can come live here if someone from this country wants to go live there. Then you exchange citzenchips. The population would remain the same and people could live in places they feel better at.
Not the best description I have seen. Any wall that can keep someone out can keep someone in. Just have to change the system inside. The big problem, however, is that nobody understands the term communism and applies it to lots of things which are not. A totalitarian state is not communism. And a Christian nationalist state is no longer a democracy.
they are the same pictures, no differences, and the titles are wrongs ofc.
Communism: 2MHz processors
Democracy: 4GHz multicore multithread processors
Tetris
Soviet union: Tetris
Human rights: The legend of Zelda: breath of the wild
ML can choke on my dick. Fuck autocrats. Your vanguard party are just the next oppressors
In my opinion, oppression is coming whether we like it or not. The resource depletion and overconsumption of global capitalism is destroying our ecosystems. We can choose degrowth and a planned economy under socialism, or continued environmental damage under fascism. Our current way of living is unsustainable. We need to read up and understand the choices, or the decisions for our futures will be made for us.
What we need is a culture shift, not oppression. I refuse to believe mankind is not capable of improving their collective behavior except under threat of violence - In fact, I think such violence would be counterproductive if the goal is to live in harmony with planetary limits. Degrowth cannot be imposed. Society must want it. Stop being mindless consumers. We can’t make that happen by the barrel of a gun. Peace must be included
Climate change will not afford us the time to shift culturally. Soon, agricultural failures, floods, droughts and mass migration are going to tax resources. We need to study and understand these disparate systems to navigate the coming crises. We’re not going to do it, but I like to think positively.
As long as you realize oppression will only make it harder, not easier, to counter a crisis of human selfishness.
I’m not sure I’m communicating my opinion well. The oppression that is coming is unavoidable.
- A transition to socialism will destabilize the economy causing widespread suffering.
- A transition to fascism will persecute groups and depress the economy, causing suffering.
- Keeping the status quo will eventually force the economy to recede due to the destabilizing effects of climate change. Global suffering.
Suffering can be alleviated but not eliminated. I talk about oppression, which is domination of one group over another, with violence. This happens in fascism but historically also with (ML) communism. I’m saying that using the power of the state to FORCE people to change their ways, will be counterproductive. I’m on board with degrowth, but something positive must replace the consumerism.
The miscommunication is your misunderstanding of the word oppression in relation to ML. I’m talking about a specific problem with the ML “solution” to climate change. I don’t have all the answers, but I know ML only makes things worse for everyone.
I would rather live under a Marxist-Leninist government with a planned economy that gives us a chance to mitigate climate catastrophe. The current capitalist governments aren’t even bothered by climate change. You’ve invented a boogeyman in Marxist-Leninism so that you don’t have to confront the current crisis of capitalism. When the world crumbles with overconsumption from capitalism, will your last words be, “At least we didn’t try the disastrous Marxist-Leninism?”
It’s about harm reduction and the lesser- evil. 👿 Capitalism is the greater harm to the planet. Socialism/Anarchism/Marxist-Leninism involve planned economies that can help us transition to more sustainable energy systems. It’s pragmatism.
The direction of flow does not mitigate the inhumanity or blunt stupidity of the act.
