i just want a web browser that doesn’t cause me to have strokes, and doesn’t give me internet aids.
How fucking hard is it to write a piece of software jesus fucking christ.
Motherfucker have you tried looking at a browser implementation? It might just be the single most complex piece of software on the planet today. It’s basically an OS, JS environment and GUI toolkit in one
thats exactly the problem.
That would make sense as to why it’s such a dogshit piece of software, wouldnt it? That’s why windows is bad after all.
Also fun fact. I recently had a spat with firefox taking like 30s to startup, apparently for SOME fucking reason, someone thought a 25s timeout would be sane in the event that discord doesn’t detect xdg-desktop-settings or whatever the specific was.
They should, might be in a better mood then…
Komi can communicate??
Through text.
Komi gonna rip into your furry ass
Firefox users may very well be doing that and no one will know because Google is not spying on them through their browser.
Kind of is. Part of Firefox revenue is from Google, who pays to have google as the default search engine
My Firefox is sitting happy eating about 30GB of RAM right now…
So you have 64gb total?
Maybe just 32 GB?
How many tabs do you have open?
Yes.
Somebody knows a bit too much 😏
Best thing about Firefox is stability somehow it works nearly all devices
So for some reason Firefox doesn’t work most of the time on my parent’s ISP. It simply doesn’t find sites 80% of the time. I can take the same wifi adapter and move it to my place and it works fine. I’ve messed arounfld with different DNS and stuff, and I just can’t get it to be reliable there.
It’s super annoying.
And other browsers work fine? That seems really weird.
Yep.
It sounds like an issue with DNS-over-HTTPS. https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-dns-over-https Changing the DNS in the network settings of the operating system would not fix that.
As for the last question, yes the murring and the tail thingy aren’t forbidden, to be clear.
people don’t complain to get solutions, they complain so everyone knows how miserable they are
and to shame people into making a solution, hopefully.
Or at least that’s what we tell ourselves. Because it makes us feel better.
Ngl, I’ve never had issues with either for ram. my experience with Firefox is mostly the sameas chrome with ram usage. The main reason Im on Firefox is cause it’s been a whole lot more stable for me than chrome.
If the majority of ram isn’t being utilized you either have a problem or have entirely to much ram. I’m not saying programs can’t be memory hogs, but they should utilize what resources are there to perform better. It would be like turning on a flash light, using all of the power and then covering half the bulb while trying to cross a field in the dark. The CPU and GPU use more electricity when running at higher percentages, ram is negligible for the most part.
i always hear this but it’s obviously not true lol, if i ever see my ram reach max usage the computer shits itself and i’ll likely have to restart it because most things become utterly frozen
full RAM utilization is patently not something you want.
This is a post about being upset chrome is using 40% of RAM on the system
Who only has a single program running at a time on their PC? Are we in the 90’s?
Everyone uses multiple programs. Who said you’d only have one program open?
Using 40% for one of your most important programs seems totally reasonable to me.
Chrome might not be the only program running.
But they said “majority” not “entirety.”
I switched from Chrome to Firefox on my Mac desktop and the memory usage was cut in half at least. I only use it on my Linux notebook, so I have no idea about the memory usage difference there, but there was an unquestionable difference on the Mac. It has 16 gb of ram and is from 7 years ago, so it was before the M-chips and their ram hunger and still gave me memory warnings.
Now I never have memory issues on it. All it took was switching to Firefox.
So it definitely makes a difference on some systems.
Also, adblockers still work.
It’s about the amount of tabs you keep open. Every site will take a piece of RAM and a max of 5Gb per tab if not mistaken.
I think GChrome has a feature now where it tries to “kill” the tabs you’re not using to mitigate this issue but it’s opt in.
just use ungoogled chromium
Edit: what the fuck?! I did not expect this much hate for recommending an open source, privacy preserving, technologically superior browser. You guys need to touch grass.
Welcome to Lemmy. You may only advocate for Firefox.
“just buy a bmw and hack the heated seats into a switch that you physically installed into the dash” this u right now
they’re right tho
Damn… is this why I feel so empty inside? I’m using Firefox but no tail plug or furry action?
I mean if all you need is a cork to stop feeling empty
I’m never giving it up out of principle, but I dunno about the RAM usage. Firefox was above 7GB last I looked. I have RAM to spare though, so I don’t really care.
There’s a Tab Discarder extension that suspends old tabs so they’re stored on the drive rather than ram.
Yeah tailplugs are awesome
Yeah. Use Firefox or kiss a free Internet goodbye.
I worry even Firefox is losing its principles on the matter.
Yeah I think so.
Their quest for a revenue stream is leading them down a dark path imo.
I mean I get that they need money. I don’t really have a solution. I just feel very uneasy about where this is headed.
Then use a firefox fork that’s more in line with your beliefs. It’s a pro of open source
chromium is open source too.
But Chrome, the actual application you download (as well as several forks), is closed source.
Agreed. I just wanted to point out that you can have open source with a chromium based browser
But that’s not the real issue. The issue is that any Chromium-based browser – open source or not – helps Google maintain hegemony over web standards. Even if makers of other Chromium-based browsers try to maintain a fork of the rendering engine, they’ll be perpetually playing catch-up removing user-hostile misfeatures because Google controls the upstream branch.
Google still has control over Chromium. Manifest v3 is a Chromium thing, not a Chrome thing. All forks of Chromium will get it and none of the browsers using Chromium as a base has moved to fork and maintain their own version of Chromium.
This means that Google effectively has a monopoly over all browsers that aren’t WebKit or Gecko based, which is a tiny portion of all browsers. Leading to Google deciding how people access the internet. It’s already worrying that Google is the internet for a lot of people, the fact that they can do more or less anything with Chromium means that they can do whatever they want with the web standard.
That should be a major concern for everyone. Chromium needs to be taken away from Google.
all browsers that aren’t WebKit or Gecko
I don’t get this part. Are all engines other than those 2, based on Chromium?
Perhaps you are forgetting Ze great Konqueror ?
Because it has always been KHTML.
There’s a meme for that. Check it out
I think Konquerer is no longer actively maintained.
Fun fact (which you may already know) the two most popular browser engines today are based on KHTML)
I feel this.
Furrfox
Furryfox was RIGHT THERE
Firefox is for the weak.
Real men use NCSA Mosaic.
I just telnet to port 443.
Me circa 1993: This world-wide web thing is interesting, but it will never replace Gopher.
True story.
Gopher had Veronica. With the WWW, look at the mess we have.
Me too! I remember mansplaining to my girlfriend at the time how long it would take to visit a page and download images, and how nobody would wait that long to see pictures of cats. I underestimated how much people really want to see cat photos.
I’m all for people using Firefox instead of Chrome, but RAM being used up shouldn’t be a complaint unless something else needs that RAM. If it’s there, it should be considered usable.
If it did a good job freeing it up when needed then sure, but it doesn’t.
“Should” is doing a lot of heavy lifting
Yep, I didn’t buy that RAM to sit being unused.
It’s specifically about the efficiency of the usage. If it’s not used effectively, then it really is a waste.
And we all know how efficient the Web is nowadays…
Why could ram usage be a waste? I thought only the allocation is the performance heavy part, allocated ram does not cost extra performance.
I’m referring to the philosophy behind the usage of said allocated ram.
If you allocate 5 cookie jars to store 1 cookie in each jar, then that’s not good.
If you store 2 cookies per jar, that’s better already, but still kind of crap.
If the websites keep putting rocks in those jars, then you’ll obviously run rampant with usage. (Read: https://tonsky.me/blog/js-bloat/ )
The goal is to store as many cookies in least amount of jars. You might crumble them down and reconstruct them later (compression and/or clever code) but that could take more brain (processing) power (of which we kinda have, especially on the desktop).
As you’ve said, it’s often a tradeoff between processing power and memory usage and depending on the application, you can configure things the way you need them (at least when you’re coding it).
Ok, that makes sense, thank you.
hot take lol
@Veedem I still have 23Gb free. Time for more tabs!
