Ok but why isnt joesph (stalin) biden serving the warrants himself?
Joseph Stalin? So you’re calling Biden a communist?
Let’s see your definition of communism and an explanation of how that applies to the Biden Administration.
Lol
That’s not a definition.
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Do you know what an arrest warrant is?
Also, the ICC court has not yet ruled on it. A prosecutor requested it.
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One of the best jokes to come out of the UN in a long time.
The ICC is not a UN organization
People’s take on this stuff always seems so naive to me. All war ever can be viewed as an attempt to arrest the leader of another group for “crimes”. When you get arrested… that means you lost the war. Winning a war means you didn’t get arrested.
The ICC is such a silly stupid waste of human attention. It’s like an idea that children came up with after watching Star Trek. It has no utility whatsoever for our species. We fight, we have winners and losers. If you start a fight with somebody stronger than you, you are gonna have a bad time. If you start a fight with someone weaker than you, others will think you are dishonorable. That doesn’t mean you get arrested.
Yeah you have no idea what the ICC is or what it does, nor what this warrant implies. You really believe that the ICC has done nothing? You should do some reading.
This warrant won’t go away and the countries that this guy can still visit with this warrant will b extremely limited. This also puts much more pressure on Israel as he is now officially lumped in with other convicted war criminals. This is a good thing ™
ICC signatories have to arrest anyone with a warrant against them if they visit that country. That severely limits the number of state visits Netanyahu and others with warrants against them can make. That’s not a minor thing. Big deals are made during state visits.
Anybody who tries to arrest him will be at war with Israel and probably the US and probably a lot of other nations. They will break their treaty with ICC before they start that war and everyone fucking knows it. Why do we pretend?
And yet this stopped Putin from going to South Africa.
This interpretation is a vague apologia for war crimes. This line of thinking means the Nuremberg Trials were a complete waste of time and the Nazis should not be held accountable.
No, it means they were ONLY held accountable because they lost the war.
Nobody prosecuted Churchill for Dresden
Israel is losing?
More links
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3ggpe3qj6wo
https://apnews.com/article/icc-khan-netanyahu-070941d21ccd1f2b9611032b88527575
Karim Khan said that he believes Netanyahu, his defense minister Yoav Gallant and three Hamas leaders — Yehia Sinwar, Mohammed Deif and Ismail Haniyeh — are responsible for war crimes and crimes against humanity in the Gaza Strip and Israel.
The prosecutor must request the warrants from a pre-trial panel of three judges, who take on average two months to consider the evidence and determine if the proceedings can move forward.
Israel is not a member of the court, and even if the arrest warrants are issued, Netanyahu and Gallant do not face any immediate risk of prosecution. But Khan’s announcement deepens Israel’s isolation as it presses ahead with its war, and the threat of arrest could make it difficult for the Israeli leaders to travel abroad.
Both Sinwar and Deif are believed to be hiding in Gaza as Israel tries to hunt them down. But Haniyeh, the supreme leader of the Islamic militant group, is based in Qatar and frequently travels across the region.
Sinwar in a war of sin. Kinda poetic
Let’s check what the left wing “progressive” israelis think about this.
Herein lies one of the innumerable differences between democratic socialists and liberals
It’s not comparing them, they have just all went over the bar for being war criminals.
Strange timing comes the day after the Iranian leadership are wiped out in an alleged accident.
It was an ancient salvaged U.S. helicopter flying in terrible weather. I don’t think we need to start inventing conspiracy theories.
General Fog, the lesser known cousin of General Winter, is responsible.
Also, leaders and billionaires have a real hard time when people say no to them. Even when it is immutable things like weather causing the no.
ah, the fog of war
Good, this is a situation in which both sides are both truly disgusting and vile, using people as pawns, shields, etc.
Yeah, for some reason too many people are having difficulty understanding that in this case, yes, the both side argument works quite well. Both Hamas and the Israeli government are horrible with the citizens on both side suffering
Definitely agree. Although I will add that Israel has likely played a large part in radicalizing many members of Hamas and their actions in Palestine have dwarfed the initial Hamas attack, no atrocity should go unpunished.
Both points are valid so yeah, both are bad to the point that both groups should be tried by the ICC and be locked away for life, all of them
It’s worth clarifying that the Palestinian civilians are not Hamas though. It’s also misleading to say they elected them democratically, as the median Palestinian was a literal infant when the last election happened, and nearly half weren’t even born.
I’m counting Palestinian civilians separate from Hamas, just like the Israeli government is t the same as it’s people
And both sides are equally pissed off being put on the same level as the others.
The CNN headline is a bit misleading. It’s not the International Criminal Court as a whole that is seeking these arrest warrants but the ICC’s chief prosecutor Karim Khan. The judges have yet to decide on these warrants.
[Side note: This is the same kind of lazy journalism that uses terms like EU chief or EU leader interchangeably for the President of the European Commission (Ursula von der Leyen) and the President of the European Council (Charles Michel). If this was limited to a short headline, I could excuse it, but CNN continues with the same wording in the first sentence of the article: “The International Criminal Court is seeking arrest warrants for …” which is absolutely unnecessary, even if CNN clarifies things later.]
Ok, this is very interesting. How is it he took this initiative? Actually, is it an initiative or part of the process?
It’s part of the process. Now the request is before judges who will decide whether or not to issue the arrest warrants. For reference, when an ICC prosecutor asked for an arrest warrant for Vladmir Putin, it took a couple months for the judges to decide and then issue the warrant.
And good thing Putin is rotting in a prison cell right now.
hopefully his helicopter will crash into the foggy mountains or his train to china/north korea will derail
Trains do not derail in North Korea. It is forbidden.
Thank you, good to know!
I know nothing about the process. How can a decision take months? What else are they doing? Are there counter arguments or something happening in the meantime?
The judges have to read and verify the documents they got for this case. This takes some weeks to months.
Yeah, the process is slow but thorough (as it should be since these are among the most difficult cases in existence).
I think that’s a distinction without a difference. How would the ICC seek an arrest warrant if not by having the chief prosecutor submit one? If the court had approved it, the title would be “arrest warrant issued by ICC”.
Modern Journalism, and I use that term loosely, at work. Once you notice these kinds of misleading to incorrect headlines you can’t stop seeing them.
I’ve always considered CNN to stand for Clearly Not News
Edit - the BBC headline starts “ICC prosecutor seeks arrest of…”
FFS so Netanyahu was extremely close to being pushed out of power and this dumbass pulls this stunt (just to get publicity) which only makes it easy for Netanyahu to make the case that “it’s us against the world”. He’s also seeking to prosecute Gallant, the guy that would most likely make the push to remove Netanyahu. So he’s pushing Gallant back towards falling back in line with Natanyahu.
Does this idiot want Netanyahu to stay in power? He’s basically throwing a lifeline to Bibi while throwing away the credibility of the ICC. Never attribute to malice and all that, so likely just a moron.
Fuck, I was starting to have some hope the Netanyahu could be gone in the next few weeks and this guy is pulling out all the stops to keep him in power. All to get his face on TV.
What the fuck kind of argument is this? Courts aren’t supposed to play politics, they are supposed to enforce the law. And if you want to do that in a genocide case you have to prove intent. Gallant made several public statements that can interpreted in that way.
This guy is playing politics. If he wasn’t he’d just put in the paperwork instead of sitting down for an interview with CNN.
See how Jack Smith, a serious prosecutor rolls. There are very few press conferences and they are concise and to the point.
This guy is playing games to get publicity, he’s probably working on a book deal or whatever right now to monetize the publicity.
The position of support for creating a famine (or not giving a shit to stop it) seems to have wider support than just Bibi. This guy’s move puts in focus that creating a famine is a war crime, and he’s forcing the Israelis players to face that and state their support or lack thereof clearly. Getting rid of Bibi alone might not increase the aid in Gaza. If the other party leaders aren’t willing to throw Bibi and Gallant under the bus for this and/or shift gears on aid, then perhaps the Israeli political class is too far gone and the world should increase the pressure till someone gets it and starts telling the Israeli public that what’s happening is wrong and is extremely counterproductive for Israel as whole.
Also, some polling shows Bibi’s coalition being neck and neck with the alternative so the narrative that Bibi is certain to be ejected by Israel’s democracy isn’t so solid.
Israel asked for help from Arab countries in providing support in dealing with the humanitarian crisis. They laughed in the Israelis faces.
The problem is too many people are willing to let the Palestinians die in order to win some propaganda war against Israel. I don’t feel like anyone really cares about Palestinians. They’d rather Palestinians die so they can have proof Israel is evil.
Joe Biden has built a pier to provide aid. This is more than anyone else has done to prevent famine. But the propaganda says he’s “Genocide Joe”.
What are you talking about… Arab countries didn’t stop food and water going into Gaza, Israel’s leadership did.
They were asked to help distribute food and refused. Just something you’re not you seeing in your information silo.
I’ve seen stickers around the town where I live calling him “Jihad Joe” for helping the Palestinians. He gets hate coming and going, meanwhile thousands of tons of aid are reaching the people of Gaza because of him.
The pier is having trouble getting aid past the Israeli offensive, but over 1000 tons have already been airdropped, and once logistics are worked out for the pier it’s expected to deliver 500 tons of aid per day.
Well, this didn’t age well…
Asked whether any of the aid has been delivered to the people of Gaza, Ryder said, “As of today, I do not believe so.”
I’ve always said the Pro-Palestine crowd and the MAGAs are basically the same people. Gotta ignore anything that doesn’t conform to whichever narrative they’ve gotten sucked into.
“You have to finish up your war. You have to finish it up. You’ve got to get it done,” he said in an interview with Israeli newspaper Israel Hayom. “We’ve got to get to peace. You can’t have this going on, and I will say Israel has to be very careful because you are losing a lot of the world. You are losing a lot of support.”
I’ve always said the Pro-Palestine crowd and the MAGAs are basically the same people.
Why because you are an ideologically bankrupt centrist that finds it convenient to equate protestors desperately trying to stop a genocide with MAGA heads… who tried to violently overthrow the US government because it wasn’t hateful enough for them?
You aren’t welcome in the progressive coalition if you desire to ignore reality in favor of a “both sides” narrative to the degree you are doing. We are talking about a genocide here and you are saying the people trying to stop it are crazy, violent hateful extremists who are obsessed with hurting trans people for no reason, fucking over women and taking power away from everybody but white men.
Can we talk about a story that’s fallen through the cracks here? CNN claiming this as an exclusive is madness. Who do these people think they are? And should the ICC issue arrest warrants about it? 😉
All the better to control the narrative if you can DCMA the rest?
Is Giuliani behind this tact?
Also, not sure if just me, but I couldn’t give a flying fuck whether a news outlet is first to break a story or not. Seems a bit self conglatulatory
CNN claiming this as an exclusive is madness
That’s an excellent point you’re making
EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW
Have anyone opened the link?
They changed it to that considerably less bonkers headline. Perhaps because they became of aware of their legal exposure under international laws against poor taste…? 🧐
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Regardless of the technicalities and nuances in the reporting: this is a good thing.
Nice that they see the criminals on both sides.
Same side.
Hamas is almost totally funded by Benny and his croneys.
Was I think, they stopped a few years ago.
Wow, whitewashing Iran and Qatar’s role in Hamas’ actions. Very progressive left of you.
Boo hoo, did the homegrown terrorist org funded by state interest as a propaganda machine get outta hand?
At this point, which one?
I’m interested in sticking to the facts. If you aren’t, that’s fine. I can block and move on with my day.
Man you are talking about whitewashing as you actively try to shift blame from the inceptor and then try and say your talking about facts.
Fact of the matter is that palastinian terrorism is caused by Israel. Both their genocidal and apartheid ends and directly through funding of groups like Hamas early in their years to promote harsh measures to continue their genocide and apartheid ends.
“Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu defended Israel’s regular allowing of Qatari funds to be transferred into Gaza, saying it is part of a broader strategy to keep Hamas and the Palestinian Authority separate, a source in Monday’s Likud faction meeting said,” the Post reported.
But nah. You wanna deflect facts and focus on Qatar like everyone doesn’t already know that. This information is ment to be taken in conjunction but your so far up your own ass you see it as an argument and whitewashing.
You want facts? Facts say Israel funded Hamas. Nurtured it and kept it on the edge of scary to propagandize it’s civilian population. Then it bit them in the ass on Oct 7th.
If your first thought about hamas isn’t how Israel as a state purposely created and maintained it then it’s you who isn’t operating on facts.
Lol, I don’t support Israel in this conflict.
Who gives a shit what you support? Your being a dummy for attention at this point.
Do you actually understand what you are posting yourself? Qatar funded Hamas under an agreement with Bibi which enabled Bibis strategy and Qatars own political goals. Did Israel fund Hamas in those years? No. Did Israel actively guarantee that Qatar funds Hamas? Yes.
Man walks in here waving his post around like I GOT HIM, I GOT HIM SO GOOD as he points out the content of the article like i don’t know what it says. Nah dude. I know what it says, I call that funding. You would too if your head was so far up your own ass.
Oh no. Watch out everyone, this guy’s gonna stick to the facts by checks notes plugging his ears and walking away.
If it is a fact that Israel is paying for Hamas and Iran and Qatar aren’t, it will be very easy for you to prove that.
I will wait.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/netanyahu-israel-gaza-hamas-1.7010035
Oh nooo, did someone open their fucking mouth about shit they don’t know about and are about to get dunked on?
“Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu defended Israel’s regular allowing of Qatari funds to be transferred into Gaza, saying it is part of a broader strategy to keep Hamas and the Palestinian Authority separate, a source in Monday’s Likud faction meeting said,” the Post reported.
Netanyahu’s current finance minister, West Bank settler Belazel Smotrich, explained the approach to Israel’s Knesset channel in 2015: “Hamas is an asset, and (Palestinian Authority leader) Abu Mazen (Mahmoud Abbas) is a burden.”
“Both Egypt and Qatar are angry with Hamas and planned to cut ties with them. Suddenly Netanyahu appears as the defender of Hamas,” the right-wing leader complained.
A year later, Netanyahu was further embarrassed when photos of suitcases full of cash going to Hamas became public. Liberman finally resigned in protest over Netanyahu’s Hamas policy which, he said, marked “the first time Israel is funding terrorism against itself.”
that was really trivially easy
Israel has allowed suitcases holding millions in Qatari cash to enter Gaza through its crossings since 2018
I’m sure bibi did that out of the spirit of charity.
Look, as far as I can tell, Israel created a monster, then lost control of the monster. The monster has since found other sources of support. In trying to perform ethnic cleansing and forced land transfers over the last 80ish years, they have also been monstrous. There is wicked evil on both sides of this pointless genocidal war. Stop plugging your ears to the parts that make the people you happen to already agree with look bad.
This is a conspiracy theory with no actual evidence
“Let me be clear,” the president said in the statement, “whatever this prosecutor might imply, there is no equivalence – none – between Israel and Hamas.”
Biden saying the right things as usual. /s
It’s true. Hamas is posting rookie numbers. They’ve got to up their death count by around 10x before they can be in Israel’s league.
At this point they need to gag the man and have surrogates stump for him.
It’s a good thing that he’s not President and this is all Trump’s fault. /s
Yeah, Trump certainly helped stabilize the area by moving the Embassy. And that mid-east peace plan his SIL got paid $2 billion for was worth every cent.
Haha, just mention Trump and you guys show up. We’re not pro Trump.
Calling on the militant branch of the Yang Gang?
