This isn’t the funniest bit so far, the funniest bit is that Netanyahu’s is now meeting with Spain’s far-right, the party that attracts real antisemites. Of course, they are truly anti-semitic, as in hating anything recognizably brown enough and not just colozioniolists changing names from Mileikowsky to Netanyahu, so I’m sure they would love a repeat of the Haavara Agreement anyway with a leader they clearly share a lot of values with.
Neo-nazis banded up with zionists to attack US college student encampments. These right-wing zionists wield antisemitism as a shield while they accomplish their zionist agenda and throw in together with whomever is willing to ally with them. They even freely admit it.
In Spain antisemitism is rampant left and right, that’s why the government (Socialist Party) has done this. Make no mistake, this is not solidarity or justice or shit, just a smoke screen so their voters forget about the cost of living, housing, unemployment… and all the hard-to-solve pressing issues they don’t want to do anything about.
unemployment
Unemployment levels are at the lowest since 2008.
Which is saying nothing: 12% unemployment, 27% under 25. Do those numbers look good to you?
They look promising, yes.
But … they do want you to think about it. Spanish politicians talk about that stuff all the time and some party platforms run on it. Spanish Congress is literally voting on housing laws as you comment and there’s heated debate between coalition members on unemployment measures as well. Are you sure they are the ones throwing smoke screens or could the source be closer to home?
Oh they’re talking aren’t they? Of course they are, that’s the only thing they do: bla bla bla and then nothing
I mean, it sounds like you are informed, so you should know that the current government is leading only through a coalition of different parties that are barely a majority, so they have to talk.
The opposition parties don’t mind DoS’ing Spain (just look at the expired Supreme Court that has still to be renewed) just to create unrest. The only opposition who tags along are those that don’t want to see society dragged along for political maneuvering.
it sounds like you are informed
I try to avoid the news as much as I can, for my mental health’s sake, but something permeates
you should know that the current government is leading only through a coalition of different parties that are barely a majority
That’s how it usually goes in Spain
The opposition parties don’t mind DoS’ing Spain (just look at the expired Supreme Court that has still to be renewed) just to create unrest. The only opposition who tags along are those that don’t want to see society dragged along for political maneuvering.
And somehow when the current opposition has been the ruling party they could do all kind of things, fascist things that fucked us all over but they were perfectly able to do as they pleased, but the “left” (this “Socialist” party is a monarchist party!) seems unable to even undo a little of the damage. You do sound well informed, so before you mention the work reform, which was surprisingly good, that I have the unshakable feeling was a mistake on their part. It was meant to NOT pass, but this one fash fucked up his vote and it went through. I don’t think the psoe (and maybe podemos, who knows) wanted that reform, they just thought it would be good pr.
I try to avoid the news as much as I can, for my mental health’s sake, but something permeates
You do like to pretend you know what you are saying for someone who isn’t informed at all.
The Spanish Inquisition is over… now begins the Isreali Inquisition.
Sigh.
Ha, everyone expects the Israeli inquisition…
Terrorist state Israel threatens violence to enact political goals.
The real title right there
It’s totally antisemitic if you ask us to stop while we’re genociding!
israel has become the very definition of a rogue nation.
…exactly what the us wants from its middle east attack dog.
I can no longer take anything the Israeli government says seriously.
Is this a deceleration of war? If the inquisition is over, why is Israel continuing their inquisition?
How dare they threaten one of the few democracies in the Iberian Peninsula! Spain has a right to defend itself.
I’m confused in the comment on few democracies on the peninsula. What others should there be?
I think 4 counts as a few, no?
I guess I didn’t see why you thought to mention it. It’s fair to say that all of the peninsula is a democracy, unless you’re from Cataluña.
No one expects a state official to mention the fucking Inquisition to defend their own crimes against humanity.
Ikr! Pretty sure its a reference to the Spanish Inquisition’s expulsion of Jewish people in the 1490s.
In other words it’s not just super random whataboutism, it’s also a dogwhistle to the “chosen people versus antisemitic rest of the world” narrative that Netanyahu et al use to drum up support from their base.
It’s even more ironic when you know that the PSOE, the current ruling party in Spain, voted in favor of granting Spanish nationality to the descendants of the Sephardic Jews who were expelled by the Inquisition 5 centuries ago and applied for it.
Israel’s cries of victimhood were already starting to wear thin when it was focused on the Holocaust. Yes, it was a terrible tragedy, but it’s 80 years ago at this point - very, very few people are left that were directly involved and the circumstances have changed significantly since then. But going back over five hundred years to try to find “gotchas” is just sad and counterproductive.
People are suffering right now and being persecuted right now, and it has nothing to do with the Inquisition or the Nazis.
Funny. The Inquisition came after the Muslim rulers were driven out of Spain. Before there was a vibrant Jewish life in southern Spain.
Israel have trouble defeating hamas which is not even the stronger group and they think they could really threaten another country?
There is no “defeating Hamas” at this point. Even if they kill very single current Hamas fighter, the traumatized children whose world they have just destroyed will grow up in squalor and be full of hate . Their choice is to complete the genocide and wipe out Palestinians completely (the only true final solution), or to accept that they’ll be fighting the same war in 12-15 years.
They don’t have to fight the same war, if they respected the people and helped rebuild after decapitating Netanyahu and consorts.
It’s probably intentional though, Bibi wants to prolong the conflict to stay in power. It was the main reason he got elected back then after all.
In all honesty, I don’t think Israel has the manpower to completely wipe out Hamas even if they wanted to, unless they kill or expulse all Gazans. Gaza has plenty of places to hide, even moreso nowadays with all the rubble, and they have guaranteed that even the Palestinians who for one reason hated Hamas will now hate the IDF even more.
When Israel declares that they have completely wiped out Hamas in a specific area, then Hamas immediately attacks them back from the zone they had supposedly been wiped out from, it’s difficult to explain it with anything other than incapability, because you’re setting up a situation where your own population is going to distrust what you tell them.
Netanyahu is incredibly lucky to have the US support him no matter what he does.
I don’t think Israel has the manpower to completely wipe out Hamas even if they wanted to, unless they kill or expulse all Gazans.
And if they do that they’ll get the West Bank up in arms.
Adults are just the mean, dumb kids from school only older, and now in charge.
Huh, it’s almost like conscript armies are shit at their job.
I realize that sounds like sarcasm aimed at you, SuddenDownpour, but it isn’t meant that way.
Fuck Israel right in the ass with a 2x4.
They have become the very genocidal monster that they were once the victims of.
Fuck Israel.
They have become
Always have been
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I know exactly what I said. I said Israel, as in the state of.
As a state is composed of the members of its government, I used the plural pronoun “they.”
Get off of your horse.
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See my reply later in this thread.
“They” in this context clearly means “the government of Israel”, which is made up of Jews. It’s not “all Jews” it’s “these specific people in power who are also Jews”. You could use this same bullshit claim to say that criticizing the US government is anti-Christian. No, it’s not.
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Sigh. The first “they” is the Israeli government, the second is Jews in general. The first “they” refers to who is committing atrocities, the second is referring to who has been the victim of atrocities historically. It’s either bad faith or obtuse of you to try to interpret it any other way.
I hate the people in the Israeli government who are committing genocide. They happen to be Jews, which means that you would think they’d try to be better based on the history of atrocities being committed against them.
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Look, this sentence only makes sense if both “theys” are the same group of people.
I’m gonna give you the benefit of the doubt, against my better judgement.
“The Israeli government has become the very genocidal monster that Jews were once the victims of.”
What about this sentence doesn’t make sense to you? And why do you insist on seeing antisemitism in it?
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Instead of countering my argument, you are engaging in pedantry. You know exactly what I meant.
But for the pedants, I’ll rephrase my original statement:
FUCK ISRAEL RIGHT IN THE ASS WITH A 2x4.
The Israeli government, themselves descendants of survivors of one of the most horrific genocidal events in human history, have chosen to become perpetrators of genocide.
FUCK ISRAEL.
Israel was never the Nazis’ victim, Jewish people were. Israel is not equal to Jewish people and this is doing a huge disservice to all the Jewish people around the world fighting against this colonial state.
Wasn’t modern Israel founded by Holocaust Survivors or something? I dunno history I just always heard that…
Zionism is an Austrian idea, that the British started to enact after the Ottoman Empire fell in 1917. The United Nations then published their partition plan in 1947 which was followed by the Israel Declaration of Independence in 1948.
Which means yes, technically the founding was done by Holocaust Survivors, but in reality Israels history is not too dissimilar to Colonialism.
To be fair, Jews were also massive victims of empire and colonialism. They were kicked around Europe for centuries since the Greeks and the Romans.
Now, on the fall of the Ottoman Empire all kinds of populations coalesced into nation-states (also, all while kicking out people that did not identify with the new nation - massive population exchanges at the time, millions of dead in forced marches out of a region). Most back to the heartlands of their ancestral lands - so the idea wasn’t far fetched.
Unfortunately, unlike those other populations Jews were in diaspora so long that they had kept little physical connection with that land which was now occupied mostly by Palestinians.
Fun fact: A plan was hatched to allocate a portion of Australia instead
Fun fact: A plan was hatched to allocate a portion of Australia instead
“Shalom, cunt!”
Thanks, that may be what I’m thinking of. Regardless of how Israel started, what they’re doing now is Genocide.
We also have to remember that prior to 1917, in order to get their cooperation, The British and French promised various Arab states land and independence after the fall of the Ottomans. Only to THEN turn around and form the Sykes-Picot agreement divvying up the land amongst themselves. This is where the idea of a Zionist state first began to be discussed and various Arab groups were betrayed to make it happen.
I’m not saying terrorists aren’t evil. But everything in the middle east is the result of “the west” fucking the people over there over for more than a hundred years.
Not really, it was started before the Holocaust, and it involved actual Nazis. See, antisemites are often quite happy with Zionism because they like the idea of an ethnostate that they can ship all the Jews off to. That’s why pre-WWII German Zionists were able to negotiate the Haavara Agreement, which allowed them to transfer their property to Palestine, and allowed 60,000 Jews to migrate there before WWII.
You need to read a book
Can we not act like this?
If someone is misinformed then you educate and correct them, not mock them. Especially when the person in question is clearly open minded and willing to learn.
You do that, I’ll do what I think is helping the most
Probably
Yeah, but pretending they don’t happen to be Jewish just undercuts our credibility.
And yet the people who run Israel are all Jewish. So it’s certainly fair to criticize them for committing atrocities like ones that that were done to their people in the past. The Israeli government, not Jews in general.
(Israel \ Non-Jewish Israelis) ⊂ Jews
There, in precise mathematical notation. Yes, that’s actually a tautology, but we all know the Arab Israelis and similar aren’t in the drivers seat of anything.
As a woodworker I am compelled to point out that milled lumber is available in much larger nominal dimensions than 2x4. There’s no need to limit yourself.
6x6 support beam? Something real nice.
What about a 4 inch thick whole trunk bark on slab like they make those ridiculous trendy “river tables” out of?
Such empty threats. I’d love to see them try to attack an European nation, their support in the west would end literally instantly.
that is the gist of most right wing/nationalist leaders’ speeches. For the better part of the last decade Erdoğan has been doing the same against the EU (and international shadow enemies) to gain votes.
They’d probably still be allowed into Eurovision though 🙃
And get 12 points from Germany.
their support in the west would end literally instantly.
I don’t know… You might be surprised how far some European countries are willing to go to gobble up zionist dick
No chance. An open military attack would be the end of Israel. Spain is a EU and NATO member. Article 5 would be called and accepted by most NATO members. If not the alliance would be over immediately.
Lets assume the US noped out (which they would never do if Israel dared to attack Spain). That would be the end of NATO but Israel would have to deal with the EU. Even Spain by itself could cause some serious damage to Israel. And they wouldn’t be by themselves.
I’m Portuguese, and my country is the historical rival of Spain. An attack on Spain would be like a direct attack on us and most EU members feel the same.
This, of course, is hypothetical. There’s no way Netanyahu would pull such a dumb and unthinkable move.
Opposing Israel’s military action on a European country would be antisemitic of course.
Don’t be agitated by the headline.
Here ‘harm’ is meant in a diplomatic way. They put restrictions on the Spanish consulate. It is strong language, but nobody is talking about physical harm (just as Spain hasn’t harmed Israel physically).
From the article:
According to these measures, Israel prohibits the Spanish consulate in Jerusalem from “conducting consular activities or providing consular services to residents of the Palestinian Authority”, although it clarified that the measure does not apply to people with Spanish nationality.
So if a Spanish-Palestinian couple wants to sort things out to visit Spain or deal with administrative stuff they can’t. Palestinians who have family in Spain and need to deal with their affairs can’t now.
While it is not physical harm, it has huge psychological implications and many of which are equally terrible. Imagine a family member dies in Spain and you can’t even go to the consulate to arrange for the funeral.
So even their diplomatic retaliation screams Apartheid
The US’ dog has rabies
You have it backwards, Biden is the lapdog, not Netanyahu.
Netanyahu is the tail, America is the dog.
But sometimes the tail wags the dog
Precisely.
Both dog and it’s tail are stationary, space time moves around it.
Okay, Rhodesia.
Hummus Rhodesia? Magic Rhodesia? We need a nickname like this.
