Hard disagree. I’m already spending less time here because the Kremlin and CCP propaganda ruins the experience for me. I don’t even consider recommending it to people I know for the same reason.
You can block Instances that like those, or switch to and instance where the admins do it on an instance level.
I still see their comments all the time and they still upvote their propaganda on other instances.
Joining an instance that has defederated from them should alleviate that problem.
Eh just block the tankie instances. That problem goes away quickly!
Just because I’m not seeing these comments and posts doesn’t mean other people aren’t. And if they’re seeing it, then they’ll get seduced by the evil tankie mind-control rays. That means I’ve got to start blocking them, too.
Pretty soon, I’ll be in this shrinking walled garden of fewer and fewer people who say things I approve of. And then what?! I might begin to question my own self-righteousness or engage in some degree of critical reflection of views. That’ll be it. They’ll have gotten to me, too!
The whole Lemmy.world community needs to be severed from any instance of heresy. Otherwise, my personal views might be put at risk.
Uphold Lemmy.world Thought
Wow, for some reason tho you tankies are on the margins of society. You have to hide in some small holes like rats because no one takes you seriously or bans you.
And yet you claim that we are the ones hiding and protecting our fragile views…
No. We just want to skip the second hand embarrassment when we see your content.
You say on a platform developed by “tankies”
you tankies are on the margins of society
It’s funny to see a police officer in an MRAP drive down my street, while a guy on the internet insists my problem is that I’m too much of a militant.
we are the ones hiding and protecting our fragile views…
Why else invoke admins and mods to protect you?
We just want to skip the second hand embarrassment
If you’re feeling shame because you hear someone assert that genocide is bad, that’s not second-hand. That’s your conscience screaming at you.
Keep coping but you are incredibly small minority and any sane person just laughs at you so you hide in some niche web communities like hexbear and yet you are still defederated from en masse
There’s a sign there ‚hidden’ to reevaluate your life. If there’s smell everywhere you go…
Have you ever considered that maybe… you are wrong? That maybe your idols Marx and Lenin weren’t such visionary geniuses?
Thank you @satansmaggotycumfart@lemmy.world for making this site a better place o7
You give me bender vibes
I’m sure he greatly appreciated that, Sharkfucker420
wait, you guys read usernames?
Yeah, there’s a lot of power posters here. PugJesus is an example from the opposite camp, calling out the anti-Democrat propaganda from the two OP mentioned.
I tag a lot of people with nicknames. Really makes them stand out a lot more, and when they do the type of content and patterns stick out a lot more.
I read this comment several times and I still don’t understand it. Stand out for what? What content and patterns?
You can put your own nickname next to the names of other users, to catalog them/ mark trolls or whatever. That seems to be what Don is doing inbetween Rampages
I wasn’t even aware this was a thing
Tags are much more noticeable than user names. It tends to stick out more from the rest of the post and makes you notice who the poster is. After seeing them enough you tend to get a feel for the type of content they post about.
What app are you using that lets you tag? I love Eternity but if I can get a similar experience with user tagging I’d be pretty excited to try it
I tag propaganda accounts all the time using Boost and Connect. Connect is FOSS, Boost was a Reddit app. You really do notice patterns.
or just block them?
I think the Fediverse will fail of regular people don’t push back against the propaganda. There’s no budget for countering misinformation.
Connect and Voyager both let me
Ooh! What’s mine?
cutest boy
Lemmy became so much better when I blocked pugjesus and their sockpuppet
Lemmy is an improvement on Reddit, but imo not by much. There really is no innovation on the fundamental concept of subreddits/communities. The issue with Lemmy is that I’ve come across so many promising communities that quickly die off after the initial spurt of activity. I wonder if there is a better organic way to grow the “online discussion” from some form of general cespool, that can segementize only later when those needed segments (communities) emerge naturally.
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There’s a lot of other shit but it seems that it’s organically sorting itself out over time.
The tragic thing, though, is that if lemmy ever “takes off”, there’s nothing about it that will make it any more resistant to bots and trolls.
It’s kinda like back when Macs had no viruses, because nobody bothered.
I disagree. Lemmy is more resistant to bots because there’s no perverse incentive to boost user activity numbers to please investors and advertisers. Reddit for example doesn’t really care if most comments are fake on a post. It’s still interaction and it pumps numbers. Lemmy is built and run by us. It serves no other masters.
Given that users naturally self-sort into instances, your trolls are also more likely to congregate on instances and communities that can be blocked. I don’t want to name any names but I do block some instances from my view for a reason. The Russian bots congregate in places that are amenable to this, and the design of Lemmy encourages this self-sorting into places where you’re accepted.
The problem is still significant, but there are advantages to the fediverse.
I think it would be more likely bots would flood instances with posts at a level that was unrealistic for the small scale admins we currently have to combat.
There is a bit of a chain of trust, however. Instance fills with spam bots? Defed.
Spam bots start making their own instances? Go to whitelists.And as henfredemars says, because there is no financial incentive to grow the userbase, instances can slow things right down if the spam starts.
Not only that, but it’s actually a much easier target because of the relatively sporadic moderation.
Compared to reddit, the Fediverse’s ability to moderate propaganda and advertising is puny and uncoordinated.
nah, descentralisation is what help, i already read as article explaining exactly that, lemmy problem is that one of it first instances are full of trolls lol
Given how the libs here so readily resort to the unfalsifiable, ad hominem conspiracy theory of accusing anyone who disagrees with them of being a Russian bot, it’s wild to think that there are places they see as even more filled with Russian bots.
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Why on earth would you think I’m on the American right?
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Society in general understands it the way you do, the term is just different here on Lemmy lol.
And in the entire rest of the world outside of the US. See the Liberal Democrats of the UK for example. Or, like, formal/academic discussion even within the US. John Locke was a classical liberal, Ronald Reagan was a neoliberal, etc.
It’s only informally, when the right started using it as a scare word, that people started using it differently, and that was relatively recent considering the history of the word.
“Libs” is short for “liberal,” meaning a supporter of capitalism. Those on the American right who aren’t fascists are generally liberals, though they often don’t know what it means. When I criticize liberals, it’s from a leftist/anti-capitalist perspective.
Word “libs” in first 5 words, opinion rejected
Capitalism fan detected, opinion discarded.
Didn’t mention capitalism, and I consider myself a socialist, but go off
You consider yourself a socialist but don’t like people criticizing liberals? Do words mean things? Liberal means you support capitalism.
Criticising liberal policy is absolutely reasonable
Using “the libs” as a catch-all term for “anyone I disagree with” is the marker of an incoming terrible take
I don’t use it that way. There are plenty of people I disagree with who aren’t libs. But in this case I was talking about a specific group of conspiracy theorists who are active on Lemmy who are, general speaking, libs.
“generally speaking” as in “I pulled this stat out of my ass”
Calling you a russian bot isn’t exactly a liberal policy, is it?
If your reasoning for determining someone is “a lib” is saying that, then that’s exactly how you’re using the term.
The fact you immediately assumed I was a capitalist is a pretty compelling argument that you’re not good at determining people’s ideologies based on their unrelated complaints about your bad takes
Not the person u replied to.
Of course I like criticising actual liberals. I just don’t like criticising socialists who don’t like to go the tankie way whom u call liberals.
Who said that?
Lemmy.world is a predominantly liberal instance, not a predominantly Socialist instance. Most people here are liberals and just want to reform Capitalism into a healthier version of itself, rather than change Mode of Production to Socialism.
I got called a liberal for wanting to support cooperatives. I got called a liberal for not wanting to participate in an armed socialist revolution.
I’ve largely seen the word “liberal” being used by tankies to dismiss the opinions of all people that they disagree with.
My eyes glazed over as soon as you said libs.
You don’t need to tell me that .world’ers don’t like critiques of capitalism/liberalism.
Mine did as soon as I saw Lemmy.ml
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If the goal is winning hearts and minds I can’t say he’s doing much more than yada yada…status quo…yada yada some bullshit Russian talking point.
When the competition is “you’re not a real person, also you’re Russian”, even that may be enough.
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Do you even understand what a meme is?
They’re paid to spread disinformation, not understand memes.
Yes anyone without your opinion is a LiB and that’s BaD because extra-militant Joffrey knows best
Wtf. Why didn’t you mention the cringe lord emperor striker?!
Edit: using my mod powers to get attention.
@admin MOD ABUSE!!!
The elon musk mindset. Lmao
Mod abuse… how typical. Is your thirst for power satisfied now?
What would happen if we would all be mods? Did you think about it? You didn’t, did you?
Leaching on to mod powers to grab attention, for what purpose, I do not know.
To prevent the all powerful cum tsunami from wiping us all out
Nah, that one seems too funny to miss
Put me in the screenshot
Not me though thanks
Thank you god-modereor for showing us the way… By force!
Goderator?
Don’t give them any ideas!
I mean if you have to ask, the answer is obvious.
Can any mere man wield such ferocious, blinding power?
A terrifyingly, beautiful thing to behold. But only just a glance.
I’m scared, feel like… like an Upper Neolithic man witnessing Nikolai Tesla inside his Faraday cage, as the bright blue electric current crackles and arches all around him.
I see a lot by “the Picard maneuver” or something like that. I can’t remember if I like their posts, but there’s a lot.
Tpm is basically porting all old memes from the previous site over. He probably posts 30 a day or smt
Even without any karma system, interacting with the users here is a breath of fresh air. Lemmy has the least shills and bots compared to the poison in most other platforms. It’s currently Lemmy’s best asset and where it stands out from all existing social media imo, and I hope it remains this way.
Lemmy has the least shills and bots
Because it’s not popular yet. Wait until it becomes so and the inevitable enshittification happens.
Enshittification isn’t what happens when something becomes popular, it’s what happens to disruptive tech and commodities that get increasingly fine-tuned for profit after competition inevitably floods in. It’s a product of monetization.
Lemmy is FOSS so that won’t happen, plus you can splinter off into your own walled garden instance like Beehaw if you want.
You make it sound like monetization can’t happen on a FOSS platform. Bots are a form of monetization, it’s just not by the people who created and control the platform.
As it gets popular, bots will come for the purpose of creating an audience and monetizing them.
That’s true, but it’s just not enshittification because it’s not done by the platform itself. It’s a different word.
Hmmm interesting. I was under the impression that enshitification was “making something shittier in the pursuit of (eg) greed”, I didn’t realize that it only applies to when the creator (controller? owner?) of the thing does it.
Has it always been used for this specific case? If so, what is the word for the more general case I described?
It sounds like a really specific definition, but you’d be surprised by how often it applies. He originally thought of it to apply to Tik Tok after noticing it following a similar pattern as Facebook, Amazon, and I think Google. Then the internet realized it could keep applying his term to so many more companies, like Spotify, Uber, Lyft, Airbnb, Reddit, Microsoft, Apple, all streaming companies, and even physical product companies like car companies or John Deere, etc and it’s shot up in popularity and use since then.
Not sure of the general use case you describe, but the person who invented the term in that article I linked sounds like he doesn’t mind if it’s used in a more general case for things getting worse from greed, so feel free to go ahead and keep using it I guess lol. Although maybe we should come up with a different, more general term for that if there isn’t already one? I’ve got nothing, but if anyone has suggestions lol.
Enshittification also happens because of government propaganda, like the authoritarian propaganda Lemmy.ml spreads for the CCP.
Aee you suggesting people on Lemmy.ml are paid by the Chinese government to spread propagands?
Some of them yes, absolutely.
I think, they are only paid indirectly in that the money are spent on propaganda to make them act like this
Do you have any source for that? I would be curious to see.
Let me ask friend in the CCP to send some of their files over for you to look at, it’s all very open and well documented.
That’s a single instance, they can be blocked and avoided. The FOSS community is way more resiliant to enshittification.
Not really, their users make alts everywhere else too. It’s also quite easy just to keep setting up new instances too.
Deal with them just like regular trolls. You shouldn’t be like the Muskrat cultists who think content moderation is useless and thus should be given up on. I understand, I suffered from activism burnout on the regular (one was right in the middle of an election campaign), but one should not give up easily.
That’s not at all what I am saying. I am saying it’s easier to do moderation on more centralised platforms like Reddit, because moderators simply have more power and more tools there. The flip side of that being that it makes it easier for moderators and admins to abuse and ban people without recourse. I am not saying moderation is pointless at all, just that it’s easier with one platform than the other. There are pros and cons to both models.
I would argue being open source and decentralised are major advantages of Lemmy and are more than sufficient to justify its existence. Just that it also isn’t perfect either. There are always trade-offs to be made when designing a platform, and that’s something you should always bear in mind.
Ey used the wrong word, but this in fact is correct. Once lemmy gets popular, bot farms will definitely will siege it, and the amount of “bots and shills” will rise
Maybe “dickheadification” instead?
They’re certainly easier to avoid.
One thing that I love about Lemmy is how there are people that I always recognise. And you are one of them!
Me as an instance admin sitting here reading about how Lemmy doesn’t have trolls and Russian bots, while I’m in a chat with other instance admins and mods where we need to actively coordinate to fight the trolls and Russian bots 😐
The matrix admin group or a different one?
The matrix one
Yeah… OP is blind to the massive Kremlin and CCP propaganda problem here in the Fediverse.
After hexbear got defederated from most of the major instances, the fucking losers just make alts on different instances so they can continue defending that propaganda filled shithole. Now .ml seems like the new worst, no matter what you do these no-life losers will find a way to spread their bullshit.
Takes much more effort to try and stop them than it does for these losers to make alts unfortunately.
I was under the impression that the .ml admins actually promote them because it’s run by people from Hexbear.
Ml is run by the creators of Lemmy, and hexbear is well… Not. Hexbear made their own fork of lemmy a long time ago and only in the past year or so have they been actually able to federate at all. I don’t see the creators of Lemmy going through all that effort to hide their identities if they were actually running hexbear behind the scenes
It’s a bit more mask on, and there’s a few legit communities there, as opposed to Hexbear where the entire instance has a stated goal.
But it’s pretty bad.
They’re not just some losers sitting on their mom’s basements, they’re paid or programmed to spread disinformation and division.
By a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak.
Somewhere in Moscow, there’s a big red phone that connects to its counterpart in Beijing, where Vladimir Putin and Xi Jinping discuss the latest attempts to influence an indie reddit spin-off with an elaborate network of Markov Chain LLMs producing comments like “I wish y’all wouldn’t be so nakedly racist towards people from other countries.”
Are you denying these operations happen?
Thank you for your service
Oh, hey Dave. Small world huh?
👋
Thank you for your service! (sounds sarcastic, is not)
I’m yet to see any in the last year personally, so I guess it’s working?
You guys are pretty proactive about blocking and defederating bad faith instances, or even ones not doing enough to deal with bad actors. You were one of the first to defederate Hexbear, and I think you even defederated world at one point?
Hexbear defederated blahaj.zone, actually.
The fuck is a chaser?
A chaser is someone who fetishizes and objectifies trans people.
Here’s a good reddit thread over on r/asktransgender.
Chasers are dangerous to the trans community and turn people into fetish objects, rather than recognizing them as people. It ignores the desires of trans individuals who wish to be seen as the gender they identify with and explicitly chases trans individuals for their being trans.
Ie, a transwoman is pursued for being a transwoman and not for being a woman.
Hey that was me back when I had a kbin account. I’m the account in the screenshot.
That was a direct response to someone asking if I would have sex with a trans man. I got accused of being a chaser for saying “sure, I guess, pre-transition” (the first part) and being a transphobe for saying “but I’m not sexually attracted to dicks” (the second part). Note those two accusations are more or less mutually exclusive, but it doesn’t matter because they’re both deeply, incredibly stupid accusations. The mods and admins of blahaj pointed out how incredibly stupid the accusations were, and some people didn’t like being called stupid, so they went back to hexbear. And continued to be stupid.
To use an analogy, imagine you’re fat and trying to lose weight. Someone admits they are attracted to you, “sure, as long as you’re still fat”. Can you see how this would not be a good basis for a healthy relationship?
People are sensitive because being denied full/legitimate relationships is a frequent pain point for trans people (esp trans women). The classic trope is the boyfriend who will take you on dates but refuse to introduce you to his friends/relatives.
To be clear, being a chaser is transphobic.
That’s honestly pretty amazing that you’ve been here a year and haven’t seen a troll! Though you’re on an instance with a very active and determined admin, there is definitely a difference in how much you see between instances because of how removals work.
picking the right instance seems to be half the battle for users
Welcome to IT. If everything is on fire, they ask why you’re even here, and if everything is ready for the fire and there’s nothing left to do, they also ask why you’re even here
I haven’t seen much of it at all in my 1+ year here, so y’all are doing a great job :3
Very good +1000 social credit, OP
Huh
What?
Exactly. Some random snide implication of Chinese support, no specifics though
Lemmygrad, Hexbear, & Lemmy.ml.
I think he is making a joke that OP is, in fact, the bot
Or maybe he’s just bullying OP for circlejerking so hard and giving himself a pat on the back as a Lemmy user
