Sounds like slavery with extra steps.
Sounds like pure slavery:
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catch someone
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take away their freedom
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force them to work
Oh, there’s a trial and some other stuff. There are extra steps. Still slavery, though.
Oh, there’s a trial and some other stuff.
Only if you’re one of the lucky outliers.
In fiscal year 2022, only 290 of 71,954 defendants in federal criminal cases – about 0.4% – went to trial and were acquitted, according to a Pew Research Center analysis of the latest available statistics from the federal judiciary. Another 1,379 went to trial and were found guilty (1.9%).
The overwhelming majority of defendants in federal criminal cases that year did not go to trial at all. About nine-in-ten (89.5%) pleaded guilty, while another 8.2% had their case dismissed at some point in the judicial process, according to the data from the Administrative Office of the U.S. Courts.
That is why Marx called that wage slavery. It’s literally slavery with wages.
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Did you intend to post this on a meme c/? Seems like the wrong place
Thank goodness I had to say the pledge every day in school or I might have forgotten that we actually have liberty and justice for all while reading this
what would happen if we cut out the middle man that’s making a shit ton of money on this?
This is not a meme…
Once you know how and why was the private prisons created or operate and “earn” their money you would be sad if not depressed…
I recommend watching a documentary on this topic.
 
Your mom’s not a meme
Some moms are memes.
All memes are pop culture.
True or false: all moms are pop culture
False. The set of moms that are pop culture is a strict subset of the set of moms.
Good, you’re not glitching yet and Project Castor can continue.
Your meme’s not a mom
Both of our statements are factually accurate.
what emoji did you use at the end there it’s blank to me
I don’t see one at the end of their comment, but they have a cherry blossom at the end of their display name if that’s what you meant?(not what you meant!)
there’s 3 emojis showing up as   (Object replacement characters) at the end of the reply text
All 3 are U+FFFC when I copy what I can’t see from view source. Maybe an issue with a third-party app caused it…?
Ahh I see. Or don’t, actually lol. It’s just blank for me, not showing the [obj] symbol
I’m not disagreeing with you, but you should really at least name a documentary and share some insight that it brings.
If that community wants to keep those lucrative prison jobs they need to step up and get incarcerated more.
Private prisons? Seriously, Amurica?
We have them in Australia too
another police state. They’ll come to europe soon eough.
Sounds like slavery with extra steps, cuz it is.
What do you mean sounds like? The 13th amendment says:
“Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.”
The prison system is legalized slavery and it’s been this way for 250 years. I’m sorry you just found out.
That was condescending. They likely phrased it that way because they thought the other poster didn’t know. Not that they just found out. You were rude.
Why so condescending? There’s no need to be so rude. You can make a point without being an asshole. Sorry you just found out.
So they are literally forced labour camps? How can anyone in the US still complain about Russia? (Just as a disclaimer, this is not a defence of Russia. I think the conditions there are terrible, but the US doesn’t seem far behind, if at all)
IIRC, unless you’re lucky enough to have someone outside of jail putting money into your commissary, you kind of have to if you want half decent living conditions.
Want more shampoo or feminine hygiene products? You have to buy them. Want more food than you were alotted? You have to buy it. It even includes things like toothpaste.
It’s so horrifically abusable too. You can easily lose the “privilege” of slave labor just because someone felt like it or didn’t like your face.
Cuz different rule sets apply to different parts of the world. That and the clever naming scheme the US usually applies to make things sound not as bad or marginably better than they actually are.
And it seems to have worked on you too since you agreed above that it actually has nothing to do with capitalism.
The naming schemes he’s talking about are taken from marketing.
I never said it has anything to do with capitalism.
Did you reply to the wrong person? The person you replied to didn’t mention capitalism.
Did you actually read the thread? Because they supported a reply that did earlier.
Of course i read the thread - you have to be aware of how absurd that question is from the outset. And no, they didn’t support anyone claiming this is not the fault of capitalism.
Prison colonies in Russia are indeed worse than in USA. People die from sickness and malnutrition there who’d come there healthy. And, of course, because of beatings with broken bones etc which somehow nobody knows about until the prisoner dies.
Things like rape and unofficial hierarchy seem to exist in US prisons too, but in general seems just uncomparable.
But people die due to e.g. bad ventilation, missing cooling and failing disease control in the US too.
Just have a look at how great the US prison systems have handled Covid.
The mortality in US prisons is ~40% than in the general population, and that is not counting 2020, where it was ~60% higher.
The difference is, it’s often a news story when it happens in the US.
In Russia, it’s a Tuesday.
I’m not arguing it’s bad, but really still not Russian levels.
Source? Is it Hollywood movies?
Source is living in Russia for 27 years and talking to people, also reading stuff from various leaks etc. And obviously mass media. If you are asking about Russia.
If you are asking about USA, then my only sources are mass media and Reddit.
Fair enough, I believe you.
The US has way better propaganda - the marketing strategies invented in the 60s by the nephew of Freud were put to very good use at bypassing people’s reasoning and not just at making them feel needs, fears, and short-term endorphine jolts related to products and services being sold.
Also the US has way better circus and more bread than Russia.
Y’all are making some weird arguments based on not much.
Let’s have a look at TB as a marker for prison population health. It will exist for a long time without killing someone and will spread quickly in poor conditions.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpub/article/PIIS2468-2667(21)00049-9/fulltext
Now I accept the argument on relative abundance of TB and would welcome an alternative marker.
Russia’s actively committing genocide and threatens nuclear war against anyone who directly intervenes, so there’s that.
I agree with you though. The U.S. is just a third world country with a nice coat of paint at this point.
Russia is a terrible place as is, but the US is too.
Regarding the 3rd world country: That is totally true.
And in Russia, they toss people in prison for disagreeing with the state, so there’s that.
They’re gonna start doing that here soon, when either one camp or another takes control of state or federal governments.
Fucking Florida bans books now. 🤦
It’s definitely going to be the far right who will throw people into camps if we get there. The most far left politicians in the US rarely if ever advocate targeting individual right wingers, but I can name a few far right politicians with substantial followings that suggested punishing people who disagree with them. I don’t have a lot of love for democratic politicians in the US but they don’t seem like a possible near term threat to people’s safety, they just won’t stand in the way of the people who are.
“Most far left politicians”? We don’t have any real far left politicians. All we have are lefty wannbes who just care about furthering their careers within the Democratic party. We need a third party and we need it now. A party that holds true leftist values and not what the democrats claim to support. We have had enough lip service by the so called leftists in the Democratic party.
I think we’ve seen how far the Democrats will go down the authoritarianism path during the lockdowns, which was horrific and corrupt, but you’re right, it’s not nearly as bad as what the stupid fucking Republicans will do if they get their way next year.
How far did they even go? Forcing people to stay home and wear masks during a pandemic is not the same as saying you want to exile leftists(which FYI trump did say). They are not equivalent and being unaware of that is dangerous.
They forced people to accept vaccines they didn’t want under pain of losing their jobs.
Which is inherently destructive and abusive to the working class.
Actually shit like that is what empowered dipshits like DeSantis and Abbott, and why Florida and Texas are so especially hard-nosed against the Democrats and left-wing culture in general.
The left doesn’t want to admit that what they did was wrong, which will keep them from being able to win over enough moderates to stop the right, so I suspect the right will ultimately win and impose their horrific flavor of authoritarianism on the rest of us.
The LGBTQ+ community, women and minorities will suffer the most. Especially the kids. They’re the ones I feel the worst for.
Also, let me be clear that I am not drawing any kind of equivalency; actually my point is that Democrats at their worst (which we saw the past few years) is not as bad as the Republicans at their worst is going to be, and it’s partly Democrats’ fault for empowering the hard right by giving them something legitimate to oppose.
Assange?
Criticize the US all you want, but he didn’t get targeted for disagreeing with the state.
He published evidence of US war crimes and is being persecuted for it. How is that not disagreeing with the state?
Where he crossed the line was in helping Chelsea Manning to bypass security mechanisms to get access to documents she would not have otherwise had access to. Otherwise, you would have had a situation much like The New York Times and the Pentagon Papers where the US government was constrained by the First Amendment.
Oh no, is your community relying on slave labor because capitalism deems it not efficient enough to exist? Boo hoo so sad, better vote pro-slaver again next election, they will surely fix the problem this term.
But no, we can’t plan out and try out a new or better system, because we might hurt poor old capitalism’s feelings. Won’t somebody think of the billionaires?
Using underpaid prison labor to deny people access to well-paying jobs, forcing more people into difficult situations.
Which again raises crime, which in turn raises the amount of underpaid prison labor.
See, the system works. Well, not for us.
This doesn’t have to be on or off. Don’t think “shut down”, think “draw down over time”. So instead of an immediate collapse, you get improvement over time.
Should they have “drawn down” slavery over time too last time around, to make it easier for their enslavers to adjust?
Same with the 3rd reich. Draw down the butchering so the butchers can do it just a little longer?
Right? No rush…
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I mean, that’s what they did in fact. Same with serfdom in Russia. Official slavery was ended, but in fact there would be plantations with workers being mostly black and being paid almost nothing.
And now the U.S. is facing a second civil war because material conditions have largely unchanged, and the slavery issue is still unresolved, because of those attitudes.
What would it take you to prioritize other people’s rights over your desires for cheap shit?
This seems a very weird view of the USA level of life. A guy here advised me to travel and see the world, thinking that I’m an American.
I guess I’ll pass on that advice to you.
I mean, how many countries there are where you can actually live on welfare?
Okay, let me tell you a little story then.
I’ve actually done a lot more traveling than most humans anywhere will in a lifetime. On foot. Across half a continent. I rebuilt my life from literally nothing and now have some measure of wealth.
I am your walking, talking, right-wing American dream and I am telling you your defense of this evil system and this evil society is immoral and you’re not going to convince anyone to adopt your beliefs, or convince people to withdraw, or stop consensus against it from forming, or convince anyone to just accept it.
No one here is going to accept it. We are going to change it. We are going to take back control of our legal system from you and pass laws banning stuff you want, like prison labor, child abuse, slavery of any kind for any reason including wage slavery, restructure the economy to actually take care of the American people without them having to pay much if anything for it. All of those things and more, because we accept that that’s fair and just.
I’ve seen cities completely destroyed by homelessness, drugs, rampant income inequality, and kept down by governments in collision with big businesses and the cults they formed to justify and defend their behavior – of which you are a part. I scraped my way out of destitution myself and I know no one else should ever have to go through that. So I know the others are right, and you are wrong.
And you’re really powerless to stop us.
On foot. Across half a continent.
North American continent, let me guess.
I rebuilt my life from literally nothing
Most people do that at least once. Some never do though, but that’s what’s called a wasted life.
your defense of this evil system and this evil society is immoral
First, thieves won’t teach me morality, naturally, second, no person under this post has even tried to reach the point in conversation where I’d be able to say what exactly I would defend in systems and societies.
Which means …
Say, if there’s a murder, and if you are a suspect, who can’t be proven to be the murderer, but you actively destroy the evidence ascertaining who that is, then it becomes likelier that the murderer is you.
If you are using manipulative or aggressive tactics in a conversation, trying to give your opposition as few chances as possible instead of as many as possible, - then because of this alone you’ve discredited yourself and your point of view and you’ve lost. (No, it’s not a subject for a vote)
Most of this text is your attempts to describe me instead of myself. Which is worth less than used toilet paper. Also usually called a strawman argument.
And you’re really powerless to stop us.
Now this is the main emotional message you are carrying.
I don’t know whether the literal statement is true, however since you have to persuade yourself that your enemy is powerless, and I don’t, being fine with my enemy being possibly stronger than me, possibly hopelessly, - I think it’s wrong and I am not.
Ah, well, that makes it ok then.
gtfohI’m just saying that your reference to this is underlining a similarity, not a difference. And abolishing this gradually is better than not at all.
Pretty much exacy argument much of the south made about ending slavery before the american civil war happened…
Also frequently hear the same argument made for any change to the thoroughly corrupt healthcare scheme in the U.S.
That any form of socialized medicine would collapse the insurance industries putting thousands out of work and damaging stock portfolios and retirement accounts that may have invested in such. But hey, it’s totally ok to bankrupt tons of citizens and enslave ill folks to lousy jobs because they can’t afford to lose employment-tied insurance that would never be affordable as an individual.
Anything good for is but not thier bottom line: OH HEAVENS NO, THE EXPENSE!
Anything they can profit from: this is essential.
It’s not true then, it’s not true now.
Slaves were already barely profitable compared to paid labor before the civil war, and
slave labourprison labour is only profitable because it’s massively subsidized by the US government.Same is actually true for most fossil fuel production now - only has profits because of subsidizing.
The folks profiting spend part of that profit to pay for politicians to continue the cycle.
They’ve always liked slave labor because they see work as a punishing thing to force people to do, and hard, painful and dangerous work is what you force on people you don’t like(/judge to be immoral).
Increase the demand for productivity until the workers are sufficiently suffering (according to your personal idea of how much a worker should suffer). Now you’re their shepherd, putting them to work. You’ve taken personal responsibility to ensure they don’t have idle hands to do the devil’s work or whatever. The point is that you are good for forcing them to do this.
This, I think, is the foundation of the Christian work “ethic”. Which essentially is to voluntarily punish yourself woth your work like this, to save your boss the trouble. Leaders love this religion for some very good reasons.
The profit motive isn’t irrelevant to the equation at all, of course, but good profits aren’t necessary for them to desire the continuation of punitive labor.
Prisons and terms of incarceration are managed by the government and not by free market. This critique should be addressed to the legislature and not to capitalism.
jeez, you people are wilfully ignorant: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison%E2%80%93industrial_complex
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They are not separate and that is the problem. That separates “crony capitalism” or “corporationism” from “free market capitalism”.
Either way, the critique is to be addressed to the legislature. It is the government that ultimately allows for such pathological situation to exist.
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Using the same excuse slave owners in 1860 used isn’t a good look…
