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So should we not make films that show how fucked up specific wars are?
I think it’s probably pretty rare that the military leaders who executed the war operations also make the movies about them…
Who is “we” and what are “our” goals? Those definitions will answer your question quickly enough.
All movies that glorify military violence should be treated cautiously even if the overall message is anti-war. Take Apocalypse Now. What will some people remember? The helicopters, Wagner, napalm in the morning. That’s not saying there’s no value in such movies, though.
We: filmmakers
Their goals: shine a light on how fucked war is. I cannot actually remember watching a war movie that didn’t make me deeply saddened by the brutality. Apocalypse now is a perfect example.
It would be better to have war crimes trials to show how fucked up specific wars are.
Being able to make movies showcasing your past crimes is not a sign of a healthy society…
Again, this is not the government typically making these movies. It’s artists which are horrified by war.
I think the point of these movies are to inform the public of the brutality of war, and how shitty our government can be. It’s purpose is to shine a light on it, which I do think is pretty useful. Otherwise, most of us may not have known about it, and would have a very different/heavily filtered view of our government.
america drone-bombed a wedding, then a movie was made where that happened to muddy the waters
Originally a Frankie Boyle joke?
I was just checking the replies to see if someone beat me. Pretty sure I saw him say it on mock the week like 15 years ago
Yep, the wording here is slightly different (worse)
You better play dead homie, we make a lot of sequels
and then they will retire there.
Oh my god there’s more than one person in America??? And they can have different thoughts and opinions? What the fuck?
No, there’s only this one angry rich dude who goes invading countries on his own. Just because he’s a dick.
If you’re defending the people who got PTSD, you’re gonna find the fediverse is a little too diverse to accept that
For Americans it might be “He made a mistake”, for much of the world it’s “I hope you die”
Not sure what too diverse means but it looks like you were right
A lot of international usage maybe?
I do see a lot of America and American hate on here, I agree with a lot of criticism of America and it’s people but it does get heavy into generalizations on the latter end.
Tbf a lot of movies in America are subsidized by the army. If a movie plays in America and has army vehicles in then, check for them in the credits
Technically correct, but your comment makes it sound like the military is actively commissioning movies, which is not the case. When Hollywood wants to make historical or war movies, they have few options:
- Buy the equipment - one military ship or airplane can be more than the whole movie’s budget.
- Prop/CGI - may look bad and doesn’t guaranty to be cheaper.
- Get all the gear for free, loaned out from the military (including training and specialists) - but they get to edit and approve your script.
I wish there were more options for independent and critical movie makers.
The person you replied to said “subsidized”, which implies what you just explained. The US military provides support to movies and TVs. However, it would be naive to think that the military still doesn’t try to influence the production. It’s been a long time since I have listened to it but there was a podcast mentioning “Zero Dark Thirty” having influence from the CIA; and the movie is about justifying torture to get results for “the greater good”. This is in spite of the report commissioned during the Obama era that torture never yielded any significant results.
“Actively Commissioning” and “Subsidizing” are two different contexts. Your points are all accurate, but commissioning a movie means actually going out and saying, “we want this movie, and will pay/provide resources to it in order for it to get done”, versus “your doing a movie with military, we’ll provide resources in compensation for a meddlers credit”.
just another reason to love animation
Same with games like CoD. Fucking Activision has former CIA execs working for them. And how they use real events in the games and spin them around to make America look like the good guy.
Good guy might be generous.
CoD makes the US and her allies look like Hodor at the door. A big dumb idiot holding back the swarm.
To be fair… to whom?
Same with Russia atm in Ukraine. Geopolitics as usual.
Whataboutism? Sure, fuck the illegal invasion, but why the need for whataboutism?
As an American I don’t think America would want to bomb my country to oblivion
You realize America has bombed itself multiple times as well right?
That’s exactly what they want you to think! Muahhahah
Seriously though… It’s not REALLY the US that’s doing these things… It’s the global oligarchy… They just use American soldiers because we were the only ones left with any after WW2 and it stuck. The oligarchy has no allegiance to any country or people and would absolutely bomb the shit out of America if it profited them.
Uhhhh… you DO realize Republicans have been screeching about a new civil war for years, right?
There is a HUGE portion of this country that would ABSOLUTELY bomb their neighbors if they could get away with it. A civil war might not destroy everything, but that’s only happening to the Palestinians. The US is too big to repeat that travesty.
You don’t want to know where the first bombing mission the US military took place then.
Wait til you find oil there 😋
* stares at California and Texas *
…nah.
Tell that Trump. Maybe not with bombs, but there are other methods.
That’s what handguns and assault rifles are for!
[Citation needed]
A lot of people believe that’s what 9/11 was.
for now
Maybe not the whole country but we’ve taken out cities.
Operation Rolling Thunder. Had some agent orange and napalm sprinkled on top too.
And entire neighborhoods, but it’s totally okay because those were “poor” (aka majority black/Hispanic)
The cops investigated themselves, so we know it was a legitimate bombing and not some kind of hate crime disguised as excessive force.
Here’s the ------> /s <------- since I know some people who unironically believe things like this.
that’s because they don’t need to; you already have the congress and the supreme court for that.
The film Civil War is basically America capitalising on its own imminent self-destruction.
That’s one of the things I like about the movie Three Kings. They make no excuse about who invaded who and who was ripping off who.
Like, I can drink out of this thimble deep
On the other hand, it’s the safest and the most relateable way to bring it to the table.
