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Hah, go figure. Russia’s connected to every right wing moral panic, it seems. From trump to migrants to using gender for the purpose of discrediting people of color. It’s always that idiot in Moscow.
Russia deserves to be booted from the internet at this point. A glorified gas station, home to massive numbers of bots and agitators, allowed to undermine democracies worldwide. Cut the cables. (Install a quick-disconnect? It’s like a series of pipes, right? /s)
Then we need to deal with poorly moderated sites (like Elon’s) that encourage dis/misinfo and hate to spread, under the guise of “freeze peach”.
It is already, from both sides. There’s massive censorship from the inside, with a killswitch already in place waiting for a moment to actually disconnect Russia from the global internet. As well as sanctions and embargoes from every other site, no matter if they’re commercial or not, just because admins couldn’t be bothered implementing anything better than blocking the entire Russian IP range.
Fuck you for saying this, though. Don’t call to make the lives of anti-war people harder than it already is, you’d just be throwing more fuel into the fire by proving the Russian propaganda to be true.
Just following 500 years of russian tradition. Spreading those ‘traditional russian values’
This community when the far-right in the west does something horrible: “I sleep”
This community as soon as there’s the slightest evidence linking it to Russia: “Real shit”
Fuck Putin don’t get me wrong, but take some perspective and reflect on the failures of your countries and your systems
The fuck you on about?
Trump and Nazis are being bashed all day every day on here.
I beg you browse through the currently popular posts, took me quite a bit of scrolling to find one post about the far right in England, and that’s after 5 posts attacking Russia (which, again, fair enough)
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Nobody fucking asked you.
Literally not.
So what, are you defining what a woman is for the rest of the world or what? Why is it so important if you personally think someone looks like a woman or not?
If your world view requires you to proactively hate people for disagreeing with it, as much as is happening here, you might want to reconsider your beliefs.
my belief that your belief has little impact on the reality?
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Removed, sexism.
Fuck off bigot. She’s cis. Doesn’t matter how she looks.
Not white enough for you, I take it?
Don’t be gross and weird.
Removed, sexism.
The question that everyone’s skipping over here to shout at you is this: In your conception, what does a woman look like? You must have a description ready to hand if you’re able to look at this athlete and say “that’s not it”.
Maybe I don’t know how women looks but I know how testosterone looks. And definetly she have a lot of it.
Well. I tried. That’s not really a good faith response to my question. If you’re not here to talk, you’re here to try and force people to listen. ‘Cept that doesn’t work so hot on the internet 🤣
See ya, Noisy.
Maybe the concept of men and women can be a social construct but if someone do too much testosterone they will always look like someone who done too much testosterone… it’s just science.
Are you claiming Khelif was doping with testosterone? Because no one official has made such an accusation.
Think about it, maybe she is doing testosterone as a cheating method thinking “with all this stuff of LGBT+ hype going there is no problem”
No one has made that accusation but you. So maybe you should think about it.
That is one hell of an accusation to throw out with literally zero evidence
As a dude who unironically wrote the words “do too much testosterone”, I wouldn’t be invoking science if I were you 🤣🤣🤣
Ok then explain me what doing too much testosterone do to someone’s body?
See, this isn’t how this works. You came in and made a claim. You said the athlete didn’t look like a woman. I asked you what you thought a woman looks like. You shifted the goal posts and said “nah, let’s talk about what testosterone does to the body”. Next you’ll be asking me to prove some bassackward negative I never introduced. I know how this plays out and it’s boring.
I’m not following you down this rabbit hole. This is goodbye, my dude.
In women, it helps with fertility on in vitro treatments. It’s a necessary hormone for everybody.
Khelif was not disqualified by the IBA because of testosterone. They will not say what test she took, they will not say who administered it, they will not say the results, but they will say she wasn’t tested for testosterone.
Does that not strike you as odd?
Women have testosterone. Some more, some less. Deal with it.
A woman is a featherless biped.
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Please NSFW that, I don’t want to be the creep looking at naked women at work.
I think we can just assume by now that, if there’s any chance there’s would be some momentum behind a protest that could be disruptive to our society, the Kremlin troll factories are going to do their best to rile them up. I suspect things like the fascist protests in the UK and the trucker protests throughout Europe to have been heavily promoted by them to try to weaken and sow dissent in our cultures, Kremlin & China have troll factories churning for this sort of thing 24/7. In Spanish speaking social networks, the push to shove propaganda supporting Maduro in Venezuela has been unreal.
Is it really transphobia if no trans athletes were involved? Or rather plain old misogyny?
It’s a side effect of transphobia- cis women who don’t look “feminine” enough getting attacked for not being women.
The root of it is transphobia because before the Olympics started, they predicted that because trans athletes are allowed like they have been for over 20 years, they’ll dominate every event despite that not happening before and nothing having changed recently. Since that didn’t happen, because admitting that they were wrong is very clearly not an option, they accuse cis athletes that they deem not sufficiently feminine of being trans. People who don’t really follow what’s going on but take the right wing position by default believe them, and it reinforces their biases, so it works as propaganda despite a complete lack of basis in reality.
The secret is, it is all transphobia, misogyny and racism
yes. first of all transphobia is very closely linked to misogyny, if not rooted in it.
but also if bigots were educated they would stop being bigots, so it’s a guarantee that they are fucking illiterate fuckwits.
and in being so you can’t really expect them to be accurate with their hatred; in fact they are specifically bad at telling people who aren’t like them apart which makes it very easy for them to target the wrong people.
post-covid cinophobia affected non-chinese asians, as post 9/11 islamophobia affected sikhs and other brown people, as transphobia so often affects cis women who may look a little less than traditional. i can keep going for all kinds of bigotry.
it doesn’t mean they’re not doing something in the name of hating a specific group just because they’re fucking idiots who don’t know who’s in that group or not.
There are plenty of highly-educated, highly intelligent bigots. Likewise, there are plenty of people with almost no education to speak of who are opposed to bigotry. Bigotry isn’t about education or intelligence, it’s far more insidious and rooted in our psychology. A lot of it is subconscious - we all have innate in-group bias, for example.
All of us are susceptible to bigotry, and the best way to prevent it is to be aware that you’re not immune to it and check whether your knee-jerk reactions are justified or not.
i should say educated in related issues. it’s demonstrable that even simple exposure to different kinds of people reduces bigotry.
people who are bigoted can be educated, of course, but most likely they won’t really know much about the people they’re bigoted against, even when they dedicate their life to thinking about them.
transphobes for example, barely think about anything other than trans people all day. they start transvestigating cis people as we’ve seen here.
I’m also not trying to suggest being uneducated automatically makes you a bigot either. some obvious hyperbole has been used.
Exposure doesn’t always help. Most people become less bigoted from exposure but a few double down on their bigotry and get worse. I guess it depends on where your bigotry comes from.
For example, I’m trans myself and don’t exactly pass. Despite this I’ve faced very little direct bigotry from people. The ones I’ve read as transphobic have all been very well-educated, including a woman with a Master’s degree in humanities who sounded a lot like mid-downfall JK Rowling. She’d clearly been exposed to trans people and the discourse in general, to her detriment.
Most reasonable people intuitively get respecting people’s wishes to live their own lives. It requires a certain amount of bad personality traits and/or indoctrination for them to believe the lives of others are a threat to them and want to intervene so I think there’s diminishing returns from educating people beyond basic explanations and a few quick etiquette rules of thumb.
Is it really transphobia if no trans athletes were involved?
Is it a Satanic Panic if Satan doesn’t really exist?
Transmisogyny is its own goddamn entire ass terrible thing, and a really useful concept for understanding all kinds of shit in The Discourse.
They couldn’t find any trans people to be mad at so they made them up, to the detriment of two cis athletes. So, both.
Damn Russian government big mad huh?
