A new round of negotiations aimed at brokering a ceasefire in the war in Gaza and preventing the fighting from escalating into a region-wide conflict has begun, as the death toll in the Palestinian territory reached a grim milestone of 40,000 people, according to local health authorities.

Mediators from the US, Qatar and Egypt met an Israeli delegation in the Qatari capital of Doha on Thursday afternoon, with talks expected to continue into the next day. Hamas, the Palestinian militant group, is not directly participating in the talks, meaning expectations of a breakthrough are low.

While Hamas and Israel agreed in principle last month to implement a three-phase plan publicly proposed by Joe Biden in May, both sides have since requested “amendments” and “clarifications”, leaving talks at an impasse. Gaps include the continuing presence of Israeli troops on the Gaza-Egypt border, the sequencing of a hostage release, and the return of civilians from southern to northern Gaza.

MBFC
Archive

  • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    22
    ·
    4 months ago

    How the hell do you negotiate a ceasefire without one of the two parties shooting at each other negotiating?

      • Deceptichum@quokk.au
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        4 months ago

        Are you fucking kidding me? That is the literal opposite of everything that has happened so far.

      • catloaf@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        16
        arrow-down
        4
        ·
        4 months ago

        You mean Israel. Hamas has been pushing for a ceasefire for a long time now. Israel keeps changing their demands and not doing even what little they did agree to do.

        • superkret@feddit.org
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          5
          arrow-down
          12
          ·
          edit-2
          4 months ago

          Then why is Hamas not participating in this meeting they were invited to join?

          • TallonMetroid@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            13
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            4 months ago

            Because they have basic pattern recognition? Israel has not once operated in good faith during this entire mess. Whether or not it’s actually the best move, refusing to further engage with what will likely, based on previous experience, also be a complete waste of time is perfectly understandable.

          • catloaf@lemm.ee
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            15
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            4 months ago

            Israel keeps changing their demands and not doing even what little they did agree to do

      • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        14
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        4 months ago

        Do you think they actually believe they have a chance against the giant Israeli army? But what’s the point of negotiating with a group that only ever negotiates in bad faith?

        • Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          5
          arrow-down
          11
          ·
          edit-2
          4 months ago

          Both sides aren’t arguing in good faith. Hamas is at a serious disadvantage as you are well aware but they have to resist acquiescing to Netanyahu’s constant moving the field goals. Their only hope is Harris wins the election and is convinced to reduce support to Israel or revoke their UN vetos which has imo low but at least non-zero odds.

          Side note: No matter who wins the election they are constrained by a law that passed back in 2008 See QME I think that requires the US to ensure that Israel always has a ‘military advantage’ so that would have to get repealed first.

          Edit: added citation

        • superkret@feddit.org
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          arrow-down
          10
          ·
          4 months ago

          Do you think they actually believe they have a chance against the giant Israeli army?

          I think they believe they profit from the attack by the Israeli army.
          They’ve seen what happened in Afghanistan. How a vastly superior military can occupy a country for 20 years and still not manage to achieve anything.
          Any negotiated peace would instantly destroy Hamas’ source of power.

          • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            6
            ·
            4 months ago

            Profit how? What source of power?

            Also, Afghanistan is huge with lots of places to hide. Gaza is not. They are not even remotely comparable.

  • Media Bias Fact Checker@lemmy.worldB
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    6
    arrow-down
    9
    ·
    4 months ago
    Media Bias/Fact Check - News Source Context (Click to view Full Report)

    Information for Media Bias/Fact Check:

    MBFC: Least Biased - Credibility: High - Factual Reporting: Very High - United States of America
    Wikipedia about this source

    The Guardian - News Source Context (Click to view Full Report)

    Information for The Guardian:

    MBFC: Left-Center - Credibility: Medium - Factual Reporting: Mixed - United Kingdom
    Wikipedia about this source

    Search topics on Ground.News

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/aug/15/new-round-of-gaza-ceasefire-negotiations-begin-without-hamas
    https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-guardian/

    Media Bias Fact Check | bot support

  • floofloof@lemmy.ca
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    15
    ·
    edit-2
    4 months ago

    That figure of 40,000 will be only a fraction of the true death toll so far, given that many bodies will lie under rubble and many others will die from medical conditions worsened by the circumstances.

  • DMBFFF@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    13
    arrow-down
    2
    ·
    4 months ago

    Away with Hamas.

    Israel doesn’t have to negotiate with anyone.

    Israel needs to end this mass murder, and can easily do so unilaterally.