I’ve noticed that there isn’t a single Lemmy community, Mbin magazine etc. for Fediverse memes.
Is that because 99.9% of the Threadiverse came directly from Reddit, almost all Lemmy communities and *bin magazines are outposts of subreddits, and Reddit doesn’t meme the Fediverse because hardly anyone on Reddit knows the Fediverse in the first place?
Is it, in addition, because especially Lemmy is too detached from the rest of the Fediverse to know what’s memeable and to really understand memes about the Fediverse outside Lemmy?
Or is it simply because Fediverse memes go into other, more general communites/magazines where they simply drown in the flood of other threads?
I mean, I barely see any memes about the Fediverse anywhere on Mastodon. That may be either because your typical Mastodonian is not cut from meme-maker wood, or your typical Mastodonian doesn’t know enough about the Fediverse beyond Mastodon, or next to nobody hashtags their meme posts. so they’re impossible to find.
And so I thought that this is more common in the Threadiverse, seeing as how meme-happy Reddit is.
Does Reddit have a subreddit for specifically “Reddit-memes”?
to be fair there isn’t that much about the fedi in general that you can meme about. the closes you can get are in jokes but:
a) lemmy doesnt have them because this place is uncreative and only serves as a dumping ground from memes from other places when they aren’t bickering about politics
b) in jokes of different parts of fedi do not translate well just because they share a protocol, given the extremely little overlap on people here
c) they’re not really “fediverse memes” just because they happened in the fediverse, are theyThere is still some material
- the latest vegan vs LW drama (as a subtopic, Rooki getting unpopular)
- the media bias fact checker backlash
- obvious trolls trying to get in while they stand out due to the low population
- Sublinks coming out soon™
- Ongoing beef with Reddit
- Regular beefs between communities (e.g. !android@lemdro.id vs !android@lemmy.world )
- Lemmy.ml admins powertripping when someone criticizes the CCP
- Piefed almost on-par with Lemmy while being developed by a single person in a year
- US people taking over entire communities because why not (!politics@lemmy.world being only US politics while the main LW admins are EU citizens)
id argue none of those are fun topics you can joke about but “memes as a form of outrage” (aside from, like, two) which is already a problem (see all the political memes on any of the meme communities for countless examples) we do not need to encourage imo
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Well that is just like… your opinion man. Also i think that utopia looks kinda shit like dubai but with flying taxis.
World made it easy for tons of people to onboard onto lemmy. If there were no instances that made it easy for all the reddit refugees to find a home, it would be a lot emptier here imo. And of course people create communities on their instance.
I think it is a good thing that lemmy.world is huge, in my non programmer mind, it will prepare lemmy better for the next wave of new users, maybe that will be the time to onboard them onto different instances.
Thanks for all the memes though!
Also i think that utopia looks kinda shit like dubai but with flying taxis.
Agreed
Well that is just like… your opinion man
There are two main issues with centralization on LW:
- centralized decisions impacting most of the Lemmy users made by a small group of people (I posted a list of them here, even Rooki a LW admin agreed with me that them being “Reddit 2.0” puts them under a lot of pressure: https://lemmy.world/comment/12070983 )
- federation issues with smaller instances, as LW is so big it cannot keep up with instances which are further away ( https://lemmy.world/post/15634599 , another detailed explanation is available here, where it impacted instances like lemmy.blahaj.zone, lemdro.id, lemmy.nz, reddthat.com and aussie.zone : https://lemmy.world/post/13967373 )
A detailed thread on !fedigrow@lemm.ee that discusses the issue: https://lemmy.world/post/14728407
World made it easy for tons of people to onboard onto lemmy.
Agreed, and as I always say, I think they do a quite good job overall. At the same time, it would be better if communities could move away from LW as well, for reasons stated above
To point 1, like i said, next wave the user load should spread out over more instances, that would be nice if that could happen.
Point 2, i feel like these are just growing pains and it’s not only a bad thing that these issues become visible now, these issues sure must be adressed if the lemmyverse grows bigger.
And yeah it would be nice if communities would be completely transferable in the future, i hope there is no technical impossibility here and it just takes time for this to happen.
To point 1, like i said, next wave the user load should spread out over more instances, that would be nice if that could happen.
The issue is that new joiners are probably going to move to LW, as most of the users and communities are there, and they might not completely get how federation works. So then LW would become even more centralized, in a chicken and egg way.
That’s why I’m advocating for moving communities now, then the whole thing is more balanced.
Point 2, i feel like these are just growing pains and it’s not only a bad thing that these issues become visible now, these issues sure must be adressed if the lemmyverse grows bigger.
That would be ideal, but Lemmy development usually takes time, and we should always be ready to have an influx of new users. Solving the issue ourselves has a higher and faster change of success than wait for the devs to update it, release it and then wait for all instances to upgrade.
Talking about upgrades, LW plans to skip 0.19.5 as their upgrades are always so impactful due to their size and the centralization of communities there, preventing a third of the Lemmy users to use new features.
And yeah it would be nice if communities would be completely transferable in the future, i hope there is no technical impossibility here and it just takes time for this to happen.
Communities can already be migrated at the moment. I moved !casualconversation@lemmy.world to !casualconversation@lemm.ee, left a pinned post on the old one, locked it, and everyone moved to the new one smoothly (we even have more activity now than back then).
I sometimes feel like some people in the LW staff are reluctant to close some of their communities, even if unmanaged, and that prevents communities on other instances from really getting popular.
Found on !memes@lemmy.ml
Let’s try this here before it gets its own post somewhere.
That is, I have a growing suspicion that even here in a community that specialises in the Fediverse, hardly anyone can relate to it, and out in the meme communities, nobody will even understand it.
Ah, that’s Mastodon’s main dev, right?
Yup.
Let’s give it a try
Yes I think memes can only arise when your community has enough lore and stories that people love to tell again and again. Eventually this will be the case here too !
I just posted one on !fediverselore@lemmy.ca , reception was mixed ha ha
What’s up with the android beef? I hadn’t heard about that one 😅
They just coexist and don’t want to merge, leading to every article getting posted twice
Here’s some stuff that I’d meme about:
- Mastodon users thinking the Fediverse is only Mastodon
- Lemmy users thinking the Threadiverse is only Lemmy
- Mastodon users thinking the Fediverse started with Mastodon
- Mastodon being ridiculously underpowered in comparison to just about everything else, particularly Hubzilla and (streams)
- Mastodon users wishing Mastodon (or, better yet, “the Fediverse”) had certain features which are readily available just about everywhere outside of Mastodon
- Mobile apps built against only Mastodon
- Fediverse tools built against only Mastodon
- Pleroma being lightweight
- Mastodon’s culture which Mastodon users are trying to force upon the rest of the Fediverse
- Forkey antics such as “Speak as cat”
- Forkeys in general
- Forkeys inspired by Blåhaj vs Mastodon’s mastodon plushie
- Mastodon users still uploading videos to YouTube and not to PeerTube
- Hubzilla’s UI
- Sharkey’s infamously bad Mastodon API implementation
- Friendica federating with everything, especially juxtaposed with some Mastodon users not wanting to federate with anything that isn’t vanilla Mastodon
- Hubzilla’s ability to host Web pages
- Nomadic identity
- Bluesky’s AT protocol seeming like a cheap knock-off of the Zot and Nomad protocols in parts
- Self-proclaimed Fediverse experts who actually barely know anything about Mastodon and don’t know anything about the rest of the Fediverse
- Character limits
- Threads perhaps wanting to EEE the Fediverse vs Mastodon actively trying to EEE the Fediverse right now
- Mastodon’s poster-side content warnings set in stone in what they want to be the Fediverse culture vs Friendica’s, Hubzilla’s, (streams)’ and Forte’s automated, reader-side content warnings which have been around for longer
- Generally, the Fediverse being older than Mastodon
- Lemmy only barely federating with everything else
- /kbin essentially being dead
- Permissions on Hubzilla and (streams)
- “Conversations” on Mastodon vs conversations on Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams)
- Certain points in the Fediverse history
Granted, I guess almost all of this will fly even over most c/Fediverse users’ heads due to how detached Lemmy is from the rest of the Fediverse. But I don’t really expect that many more Mastodon users to understand it, and those who do may be offended. Oh well.
Oh you could absolutely meme about the protocol itself and the way it is implemented. lots of potential there.
most people on lemmy do not understand the tradeoffs both activitypub and it’s implementors do, as evidenced by this exact community we’re in. these memes wouldn’t gain any traction even if they were funny to their intended audience (which i have doubts on if it’s possible to do but idk i’m not creative enough)
I would check out !microblogmemes@lemmy.world
What I meant weren’t screenshots from social media that are treated like memes.
I rather meant original memes made in the Fediverse for the Fediverse, lampooning the Fediverse, parts of it or certain aspects of it. Even if they’re based on existing templates, no matter how old.
Also, it’d be nice if there was a place where such memes can be posted in the first place.
Most things on the Fediverse are limited by someone willing to put in the effort to make them happen. Create it, populate it with memes, and it will exist. People will still post to the larger communities though, bc they are more well-known.
You missed the beans thing, then.
Fediverse memes can be posted anywhere, including in existing memes communities. That’s where all the beans and jeans memes are.
Magazine? What decade do you think we’re living in my dude?
Communities are called magazines in Mbin. They are called “Groups” in ActivityPub. It’s all up to the implementation to call it what it wants.
!fedizens@lemmy.ca has them as a feature (NOT dedicated), but theres no content like that yet
Just a pity that the community is pretty much dead.
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Why don’t you start a community?
No time to run and moderate it. I’m not primarily a Lemmy user, I’m mostly on Hubzilla and (streams). It can happen that I’m absent from Lemmy for weeks.
I feel like at least half of Lemmy is memes, and a good portion of those are about lemmy and the fediverse.
you’re right, they aren’t hashtagged.
I guess if you want to centralize them or hashtag fediverse memes specifically, you might want to start a community.
i cant imagine a stream of posts so populous it needs its own community. just tag them correctly and plop them in existent meme channels
Interestingly enough, I was thinking about it earlier today.
There is some potential for memes, especially with the latest dramas/debates on several topics, as well as the on-going feud with Reddit
Would you like to create it? I have a few ideas I could translate into memes
My best creation from a year ago: https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/1868051
I’ve started a new (streams) channel for Fediverse memes, but I thought Lemmy could be another, even better place to post them.
I’ve already posted two creations of mine there, One does not simply implement FEP-ef61 with very extensive explanations and What if I told you the Fediverse is not only Mastodon? with only one link to explain it. I’m still trying to find the right amount of explanation for an audience that shall be mostly on Mastodon.
Beyond that, I’ve got loads of ideas. But I don’t want to post more of them here than on (streams). So I’ll first have to define my way of posting them on (streams) to what will be a largely Mastodon audience in a way that satisfies Mastodon’s accessibility requirements the best. I hope to speed up my meme-posting rate then.
Interesting, how can I follow/comment on that stream from Lemmy? I tried searching for the link in the search bar but that didn’t work
It’s basically like a Hubzilla channel which, in turn, is somewhat like a Friendica account. Which, again, is very vagely like a Mastodon account.
To my best knowledge, you can’t follow individual accounts outside the Threadiverse on Lemmy.
In addition, (streams) has recently switched to decentralised IDs as per FEP-ef61. This could be the reason why Lemmy can’t find my (streams) channels, but it can find my Hubzilla channels: It doesn’t understand DIDs.
I see, thanks!
Do you though?
I see it’s not compatible with Lemmy 😅
That’s enough for me.
At this point you might as well start the community. Stick a post up asking for other Mods to help out.
I don’t think it’s wise to start a Lemmy community and then ask for other people to moderate it while being absent for weeks myself.
In case you haven’t read, I’m not primarily a Lemmy user. I’m mostly on Hubzilla and second-mostly on (streams). It may actually occur that I’m not on Lemmy for multiple weeks in a row.
Also, I don’t really want to take care of rules and that stuff.
