oh, Adam Something is going to have a field day with this.
I imagine he’s worn the fuck out ridiculing Melon Husk’s bullshit.
Not so much that I’ve seen. I think he’s taken the piss at the hyperloop bullshit but haven’t seen much more.
He did use the term “Giga-Taxi” too
Generally, I’m against violence towards journalists - but dishonest and manipulative headlines like this tend to make me reconsider my stance, if but for a moment.
Hilarious they used ‘giga’ train. Rob and Elon just did that Diablo 4 stream the other day and Rob says ‘giga’ 6x per video. Clearly rubbed off on old Elon.
What the… this is so infuriating to a railfan. It’s like they are trying to attach a 2x viewer multiplier by putting Elon-related keyword in it when Tesla has so little to do with it.
It’s not a Tesla train, nor a battery from Tesla, nor operated by Tesla, not even a new route (but granted an expanded timetable)
I wish media hyped trains like this in general and not limited to implicitly attributing it to Musk (who made hyperloop specifically to distract from High Speed Rail, mind you)… “GIGA TRAIN brings commuters to work”, “Hyper train first electric regional service in California - you won’t believe the capacity!”
Now just imagine how the hype is for literally everything they’ve ever done, and it’s on the exact same level. Once Tesla/Musk does something related to your field, it’s abundantly clear what an absolute fraud he is.
I have been screaming this shit about neuralink but no one seems to listen
Is this like how Apple invented the headphones?
And tablets
And touchscreens
And Mp3 players
And Bluetooth earbuds
And small form factor PC stacks
God the list just keeps going. At least with them the marketing is annoying but the products are usually good. Instead of Elon promising the moon and delivering a pile of dog shit.
tesla launches train
hey ive seen this episode before; the ending sucked
“Mind blowing” passenger train… If it would be able to teleport itself, sure.
Screw Elon
I think the prompt was: write an article about this train and give it some extra oomph
Just wow… So if you look closely at the picture, you can barely see the number ‘563’ on the train. If you have a look at list of locomotives and railbuses iof DB on Wikipedia, you can see that this train is a Siemens Mireo.
Now, let’s take the headline apart. Is it the first all-electric trai… no! Is it the first accumulator train? Also no, as you can see in the list above, the class 515 exists and the Stadler Flirt Akku has been used on a line since October 2023, Is it the first Siemens Mireo Plus B being used? You guess what, nope. As an example, SWEG is using some of them to bridge non-electrified parts of the track since April 2024.
So finally, what is special about the Gigatrain? (gosh, I actually really dislike that name) In February 2024, the subsidary ‘Smart Train Lease GmbH’ of Siemens Mobility has been announced. There you can also lease two Siemens Mireo Plus Bs. Tesla is their very first client. That’s it
Whoops, got longer as expected. In case I made small mistakes, feel free to point it out
I mean, I haven’t seen a “Giga Train” before. Maybe it is the world’s first.
Now I’m imagining the deal between Tesla and Siemens:
Siemens guy: alright Mr Musk, just sign these papers and the mireo will be leased to your company
Elon (in 8 year old voice): woo! I made a Giga train! Choo Choo!
Siemens guy: umm, okay… As I said, the train is a Siemens Mireo. Hopefully this lease agreement will benefit both of our companies
Elon: nuh uh! It’s a Giga train and I invented it! Nobody ever had anything like this for getting around before!
As far as I’m concerned this is accurate which is why Elon needs a team of PR people.
ketamine consumption intensifies
Also if you read the article, it becomes clear that they just copy and pasted the entire thing from a tesla fanboy Blog. It’s this one: https://www.teslarati.com/teslas-all-electric-giga-train-in-germany-takes-first-trip/
So. It’s Teslas first train. That they bought?
That they leased
True innovators
Train nerds are a weird bunch.
Please never change.
They aren’t saying it’s the first electric train, they are saying it’s the first all electric “Giga Train”.
It’s like how Bros kept trying to imply it was the first gay movie, or even first gay romcom, but it was the first gay romcom that was created and released by a major studio whose initial release was a “wide” release in more than one country.
Bros kept trying to imply it was the first gay movie, or even first gay romcom, but it was the first gay romcom that was created and released by a major studio whose initial release was a “wide” release in more than one country.
Torch Song Trilogy (1988)? The Birdcage (1996)? I don’t know about “more than one country”, but they were major studio movies with wide releases.
New Line isn’t one of the “major studios”, so Torch Song is out, and I’m not sure that Birdcage is a romcom.
Maurice, Trick, and The Broken Heart’s Club, are also older and much better than bros, but not major studio releases.But all of these movies are watchable, so they’re better than Bros.
The Birdcage is definitely a romcom. Two for one, in fact!
Ok I know when people say gay like that they mean gay male, but D.E.B.S. is one of the greatest queer movies ever made and is a romcom between two women. But it like many other classic queer movies wasn’t a major studio or anything
Well then I would argue that that’s some Giga Bullshit on their part.
cutie little vroomie :)
Not much capacity though, so I guess the “Giga-Train” has that advantage.
Lol how novel, I use an all electric train every work day, a Stadler Class 777/1 electric multiple-unit fitted with batteries (BEMU).
777 is unsafe! Use 755! /s
You are a gigachad that lives in the future.
I’ll get a tattoo of that.
Yahoo is just a terrible news source in general tbh
I think they do new aggregation rather than original reporting? Idk I haven’t really looked at yahoo in about 20 years
Yahoo, like all home pages and web news sites are aggregators. Just like most websites these days. There are few original sources for international and national news reporting anymore. And the vast majority of websites simply buy the news they want.
It’s one big circle jerk with everyone citing pretty much the same sources all the time.
Wait til they learn about twin story trains. Twice the capacity!
Edit: And the first gen, a bit less comfortable tho but more reliable.
I know that train model, we had them here too; they’re pretty heavy and expensive compared to the lighter rail models that many companies are buying now. It has quite a heavy frame compared to newer models.
I also suspect most tesla workers don’t come by train anyway, so they don’t need that much capacity.
If i remember right, they had multiple issues (forgot accessibility for one) and defects at first too. Though i quite like them.
edit: it was Bombardier?
https://www.nau.ch/news/schweiz/sbb-verargert-uber-verzogerungen-bei-bombardier-65462450
I like them for nostalgia reasons, but definitely not for quality reasons. Though I must say, the rail service has refreshed them a few years back and they’re not as bad as they used to be, though it does feel like they’re the model that breaks down the most whenever there’s some sort of extreme weather
The biggest problem is acceleration, though, which is still an issue for lines with many stops like the ones you see here. I imagine they’d do a lot better in countries that have lines where trains can go at least half an hour without stopping anywhere.
Maybe we’ll see the return of double deckers once Tesla makes its first double decker car (I’m thinking “terrible electric RV with a tiny sleeping area on top”) so they’re cool again.
It doesn’t double the capacity. It’s more a 30% increase. And, double-deckers are actually old. They date from the 19th century. In 1855, the Chemin de fer de l’Ouest introduced double-deckers on suburban lines of Paris.
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiture_Ouest_à_impériale
Modern double-deckers date from the 1930s, with the Voiture à étage Etat:
WOW, what will the incredible Elon come up with next!? Dude comes up with all the great stuff we should have invented like ~50-100 years ago.
/s
Now, imagine this revolutionary improvement: Find a way of putting the energy source outside of the train somehow, and save on weight by not hauling those heavy batteries around.
Christ, the amount of times techbros and tesla fanboys have accidentally “invented” trains and trams these past few years is beyond stupid…
Ok but that’s infrastructure and we don’t pay for that (for real though we need to upgrade our outdated catenaries)
Well a battery electric train is probably useful for those routes with a section that isn’t powered.
Not sure if it would be awfully cleaner than a diesel electric train, because those are already pretty efficient as I understand it.
If you’re already laying tracks, why not lay electricity as well?
Because there already are tracks without electricity where I live. When coming from a nearby major city by me, the train has to stop for 40 minutes while they switch from an electric to diesel power car. Same process while taking a train into the city, switching from diesel to electric.
I’m not a rail expert, but I thought for some reason that rails without electricity would be too old/unmaintained to be allowed to serve passenger traffic, lol.
40 minutes? I would have imagined that everyone would hop off at the station, they’d then drive out to a parking junction, and then drive back the electric train to the station for people to load in again. Isn’t it also very expensive to take the train (you’re from the US I assume)? Not weird that no one wants to take it when it’s in such bad situations :/
There are definitely use cases for battery-electric trains:
- We have these in Germany usually in areas with low traffic. E.g. if a train line is only serviced a couple of times a day, it’s more cost-effective to carry the batteries with you than to electrify the line.
- Another use case are train ferries. They are the reason why Germany also had Diesel-powered high-speed trains for a while.
- Another challenge in Europe is the lack of harmonization of power supplies of train lines between countries. In cross-border traffic, trains have to be adapted to work with different energy supplies. Battery-electric trains can add flexibility for these scenarios. E.g. Germany uses AC 15 kV 16.7Hz, the Netherlands DC 1.5 kV on low-speed and AC 25 kV 50Hz on high-speed lines. When a train goes from the Netherlands to Germany, it disconnects from the Dutch system and reconnects to the German system on the fly. For a moment in between, the train loses power. If the train lacks momentum or has to stop unexpectedly, the train is stranded and has to be pushed over the border by another train that is independent of the power supply.
But even in that case it’s 10x better to have more frequent, cheaper diesel trains than having insanely expensive and heavy battery trains.
Not if your goal is to reach net zero emissions at some point
That’s not going to happen within the lifetime of the batteries of the trains though.
Well, they’d only need enough batteries to cover the distance without overhead lines. So for shortish sections it’s probably fine, just charge while on the powered section.
