This is actually pretty smart
Probably wouldn’t work in practice
I drive a wheelchair accessible minivan which is stupidly fucking expensive but not because it’s a good or a luxury car. Modifications for the wheelchair access roughly doubled the total cost of the car.
I love the idea of penalties being proportional to income, but we all know cunts like musk will never pay a dime, while regular people will get fucked or ultra-fucked if they are poor.
Why not simply make fees proportional to income? For parking and other traffic infractions.
Because the real asshole money hoarders don’t make a big income and store their funds as wealth and are living off interest.
Still, this would be a step in the right direction and as others said, some places do it.
This is why it has to be their time, not their money.
This is the way. For a lot of things, not just parking fees.
Some places do. Wish more did though.
That would require the city to know your income.
They do. You pay taxes.
To the federal government. No income tax in WA.
That would require the city to know your income.
Easy enough. The city asks you when you pay the fine. If you lie, your tax return the following year shows you lied and then you get a felony charge.
Not every state has income tax.
Those people still pay federal taxes
Do you think the federal government is going to answer the phone for your local municipal traffic cop tracking down a parking ticket?
The rich here in Norway have no income and no fortune if you look at their tax returns. But they own huge companies, have multiple houses and cars, etc. Not to mention the ones who have moved abroad who doesn’t have tax returns at all…
The rich here in Norway have no income and no fortune if you look at their tax returns.
No income after deductions or no reported income at all? And yes I understand the concept of getting loans against assets that doesn’t show up at taxable income. Do they not report income to their country of residence if it isn’t Norway?
I haven’t looked into it directly, but when the media looks into it every time the tax lists are released (yes, anybody can look into anybodys tax returns) then many are shown with zero in both columns.
Others move to different countries to get away from our taxes. I guess it is because they are’nt rigged in such a way that they can hide their assets or do deductibles like that. But I don’t know how the countries they move to work taxwise other than that it pays off for them, or they wouldn’t keep doing it.
That’s what they do in a few countries. It works, lol.
Dumb question but does this not just allow people with little to no income Park wherever they want? Including red zones or in front of fire hydrants?
These fines are not zero at zero income.
Why would it? It would still be expensive for them
Steve Jobs worked out a system with the local Mercedes dealer where he’d get a new car every three months.
Why every three months? Because that was how long you could drive without a license plate, and he liked to park in handicapped spots and they couldn’t ticket him without a plate.
The ultra rich don’t matter in this equation. You could charge Elon Musk $10 or $10 million…it’s practically the same to him.
They are anomalies. There are plenty of just-as-entitled, less-filthy-rich people.
I hadn’t heard that, so I looked it up. It’s true, although it was every six months, not three, and California has closed that loophole now (dealers now issue and register temporary plates for new sales). I didn’t see anything saying he’d parked in handicapped spots outside of the Apple car park.
I didn’t see anything saying he’d parked in handicapped spots outside of the Apple car park.
This makes it no less egregious.
I’ve never understood that about America. How can you leave the dealership without a license plate. In the UK if you don’t have a plate you’re not on the road.
At least until a couple years ago, California you could drive without a plate for a couple months. I’m not sure how that really worked tbh, like what would happen if you were pulled over ECT.
Now you must get a temp paper plate right as you leave the lot.
Vermont has (or had?) handwritten paper plates. Like if you imagine dealer plates, just messily written in sharpie and taped in the window.
As fake as they look to begin with, if you get close enough to read them, they’re almost always expired.
You get the paperwork folded up and taped to your windshield. Thats what you would present if you got pulled over to prove you owned the car.
I’ve never heard of this speaking as an American. I’ve always seen temporary plates used.
I think now they give you those paper plates? Not ideal, but I see them a lot, flapping in the winds.
They should increase exponentially over say a 5 year period. Anyone can not see a sign or accidentally overstay a meter now and then, starting with a “Hey jackass” amount of money that to most people would merely be an annoyance but escalate relatively quickly.
That could bankrupt poor people. It needs to have some wealth or income component or it will never be fair
My car is worth negative money. I could become a professional parking ticket getter.
Parking fines follow the costs-by-cause principle. Thus, qualifying them makes their size dependent on their damage.
Parking in a fire department safety zone resulting in a delayed fire response can be costly, but even if no fire response was delayed, there’s an opportunity cost for the fire department, because they need to buy way-clearing devices or extended fire response tools, if there is high likelihood of blocked zones or passage.
There is a whole department of economic science dealing with this, the internalisation of external costs into economic activity (carbon tax is an example).
While this is true, it is also true that fines that are small relative to your wealth essentially mean those activities come with a convenience fee for the wealthy. Having fines that scale with income or similar maintains the severity of the infraction for people of all incomes.
Fines in general should use the day fine system.
