Summary
Under the UK’s Online Safety Act, all websites hosting pornography, including social media platforms, must implement “robust” age verification methods, such as photo ID or credit card checks, for UK users by July.
Regulator Ofcom claims this is to prevent children from accessing explicit content, as research shows many are exposed as young as nine.
Critics, including privacy groups and porn sites, warn the measures could drive users to less-regulated parts of the internet, raising safety and privacy concerns.
Thinking about this recently. Kids tend to find ways to abuse the technology for “naughty” purposes whatever the era. I remember the first kid I knew with residential internet back in the early 90s, the very first thing he wanted to show off about it was that you could get on some ancient bulletin board system and if you waited like 7 minutes you could eventually see a whole picture of a topless woman.
Trying to age gate all internet smut sounds like a losing battle. I think an unintended consequence might be young people hassling their peers for nudes at a higher rate. Either that or they will find alternative modes of distribution that adults didn’t even think about.
Maybe instead of trying to deanonymize internet usage for literally everybody, there is an actual social solution such as, oh, I dunno, parenting?
you’re not wrong, but as the parent of a 7 year old, i find it impossible to keep them from things i didn’t want them to absorb, because even one child at school can undo all the safeguards I’ve implemented at home. putting it all down to “parenting” is not the solution either.
I actually agree with you, in that I’ve been where you are and it is extremely difficult. There has been more pushback recently against the idea that very young kids are magically entitled to unfettered device access. The incentives are misaligned because big tech just wants more and more pairs of eyes. They don’t really care about the underlying harms. However they have built better parental controls recently. I have to credit Apple (extremely reluctantly) because their controls and reporting seem to be better.
However you are right, there will always be some other kid at school with a completely unlocked device because his parents are idiots and pay zero attention.
Yay, more invasion of privacy and censorship
Honestly I never understood this. I grew up with the internet so I’ve always had access to porn from a young age (If anything it was even easier back than). And pretty much everyone that’s 35 years or younger did as well and I’d say generally we all turned out fine. At least not any worse off than any other generation. And honestly the only negative side effect it had on me was having unrealistic expectations the first time I actually had sex.
Yeah, and actually I would say with confidence we are actually better off. It’s true that unrealistic expectations is a big issue (well, might be more like, I think most realize that porn is not real after experiencing it so it’s not a big problem really for most), but at least we do have a good understanding of the possibilities and what is safe and what is not… At the very least we have a more openminded and informed point of view on sex and relationships. Which doesn’t mean either “let’s show porn to the kids” of course, but it’s such an overblown topic in society.
Let parents be the responsible ones of what kids watch, not the webpages…
And honestly the only negative side effect it had on me was having unrealistic expectations the first time I actually had sex.
And that is what we should be worrying about.
I told my kid that she can watch all the porn she wants, I don’t care. Just don’t expect actual sex to be like that.
It makes a lot more sense when you look at it in context, particularly in regards to trans and all LGBTQ+ people. These transphobic governments consider simply existing as trans to be pornographic, so they are trying to block access to educational information on us, while also compiling a list of anyone who does. It’s the exact same shit America is trying to do with KOSA
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Dude same. I fucked up a lot of potential relationships when I was younger because I expected it to “be like the movies.”
Every once in a while I hear boomers waxing poetic about the wholesome days of old nudie mags.
Well, I happen know the boomer’s own parents were plenty outraged by them, actually. And, have you ever read one of those? The copy is pretty damn disrespectful about the women appearing therein, as were the men running the show.
I thought this was a USAmerican headline, but it’s the UK 🤣 There will be another spike in VPN purchases, won’t there? (Probably Proton VPN if people haven’t read about their pro-MAGA stance).
The UK trots out legislation like this every few years.
So far, it’s not gone through.
However, to paraphrase a parasomething, “You have to defeat the proposal every time, we just have to make it law once”UK may be taking a slightly different path, but we’ll both end up in the same shithole at the end. Incredible.
Back when the Snowden revelations came out the UK was worse than the US when it came to civil society surveillance and unlike the US, the Government there just retroactivelly legalized all that their NSA-equivalent (the GCHQ) did with no restrictions.
Oh, and the UK Press has a censorship mechanism called D-Notices.
In this domain the UK is already worse than the US, probably because the idea that the populus should know their place and be led by “their betters” is pretty old in Britain and, at least for the elites, the thinking about the relation between power and the people never significativelly evolved away from the original thinking in Absolute Monarchies, since the political and power structures there are still anchored on a Monarchy.
Germany had these kinds of laws since before the internet, that is, “are you 18?” questions simply weren’t judged adequate to fulfil the pre-existing requirements.
Net result is that there’s no German porn sites, and the big search engines filter their results. Which doesn’t mean that you can’t get porn everywhere, it just means that kids are learning a particular subset of the English lexicon quite early once they seek it out which is perfectly fine under German law as with anything youth protection it’s not supposed to stop determined kids, once they’re determined they’re individually old enough, it’s supposed to limit casual exposure.
The distinction Germany makes is “targeted at a German market/audience”. So if your domain isn’t on .de, if your payment options aren’t Germany-specific, ideally if you don’t even have a German UI translation, none of that stuff applies to you. Authorities will just ignore you.
Unless the UK is going down the Saudi route of blocking foreign sites, the exact same thing will happen. There’s always going to be some jurisdiction with lax youth protection laws where porn sites can set up their legal headquarters.
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How long do they calculate until personal porn information is leaked?
Id give a rough estimate of > 3 years until some DB gets rocked due to infostealers or some shit.
What is it with western countries thinking they can bureaucracy their way through any issue.
This won’t stop anything. Won’t even slow it down. Just teach people how to navigate the net better.
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Looks like I picked the right time to get a girlfriend
I expect this to go just as well as for the US states that implemented similar laws. So basically anyone in the UK is blocked access and will just have to use a VPN for porn. Any kind of recording of IDs is obviously a huge security risk for everyone involved, and it doesn’t really make sense for porn sites to open themselves for that.
Remember to apply this to 4chan, UK.
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We’re really globally going to return to the pre-WWII status quo, aren’t we?
The past 50+ years were an anomaly in humanity’s development, but we all collectively fell for the idea that it was, and would remain, the norm.
How wrong we were.
Every site is going to turn into a porn site, isn’t it?
I kinda of wonder if this is a way to try putting the sites out of business. In the US they just don’t bother working in the various states with laws like this.
No, they just want to control the internet because they are afraid of it. To be honest, it’s not without reason after the Arab Spring and then the current disinformation wars.
This is not the way to do it though.
In the case of Texas and places like that, age verification laws are about being able to call anything they want (like LGBT+ content) “pornographic.” Texas doesn’t care if it works.
Interestingly, Pornhub actually stayed in my state, Louisiana, because — according to their Supreme Court lawyers, yesterday — we have digital IDs and it was apparently trivial to do the checks via some sort of API. Texans would have to upload a photo of their driver’s license or something and there’s major privacy issues.
Also, Louisiana’s law didn’t work. Pornhub, which wants to be mainstream, does ID checks but sketchier sites in other countries don’t. It probably just caused more teens to get malware or be exposed to truly objectionable content (like CSAM).
Good info, thanks
Need to invest on VPNs
Its estimated that this will stop underage people accessing porn for at least 30 seconds while they download tor browser
Right? You can’t stop the porn and these barriers is only to create an artificial market.
But whatever. The more people become anonymous on the internet, the better.
