Donald Trump has said that Palestinians have “no alternative” but to leave Gaza due to the devastation left by Israel’s war on Hamas, in effect endorsing ethnic cleansing of the territory over the opposition of Palestinians and the neighbouring countries.
Speaking as he prepared to host Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, on Tuesday, Trump repeated the suggestion that Gaza’s population should be relocated to Jordan and Egypt – something both countries have firmly rejected.
Trump claimed Palestinians would “love to leave Gaza”, telling reporters: “I would think that they would be thrilled.”
Wow it’s almost like this was predictable. Good thing all those liberals who didn’t vote for Harris could not have possibly known Trump would be even worse…
If you have absolutely no empathy for fellow human beings, no sense of morality, no concern with topping off a holocaust with a cultural genocide, no concern with what anyone wants for themselves …… I guess that describes the orange guy
I’d ask protest voters if they’re feeling pretty stupid right now, but the truth is they never gave a flying fuck about Palestinians. They only cared about feeling morally superior.
Trash humans.
Wellllll technically those who voted against Kamala to stop israeli genocide got what they wanted. Israel no longer has to genocide Palestinians.
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I feel for the Palestinian people. Their genocide will accelerate.
If he said this to people in my home town, there would be 1 resounding answer from those left standing “Live free or Die” so actually Palestinians that have nothing to lose because it was taken from them, literally don’t have a choice but to stay and fight the boot on their neck.
But kamala was pro israel!!!
Rhe important thing is that we elected a candidate with ideological purity. It’s just that that ideology is fascism.
It’s right to be angry. I don’t have an answer. I think few people realize that most genocides are actually successful and forgotten.
Americans have no choice but bring Trump to justice STAT.
Well, maybe Israelis should leave Palestinians country instead.
As long as trump gets a new golf course and hotel, I don’t think he really cares.
You break it, you buy it. Let’s move the Israeli officials to Gaza and let the Palestina citizens live in Jerusalem. ^/s
In 1940, the Nazis’ plan was to relocate all Jews to Madagascar.
Just 2 years later, they started exterminating them systematically.Yup.
They went from passing oppressive laws against Jews to turning them to ash in a frighteningly short period of time.
Fascism is 100% here and our nation is asleep at the fucking wheel.
Never been more ashamed to be an American.
Population transfers aren’t unheard of. In Greece/Turkey, Italians from eastern Adriatic, German from Prussia and Silesia, Pakistan/India millions of people moved.
This Holocaust comparison is completely dishonest and betrays any knowledge of how it happened. Used in this context, it’s Holocaust relativism at best and likely antisemitic.
I found this quote useful so I’m going to put it here as well as it seems incredibly relevant.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing
“How could ‘forced deportation’ ever be achieved without extreme coercion, indeed violence? How, indeed, could deportation not be forced? How could people not resist? How could it not involve the destruction of a community, of the way of life that a group has enjoyed over a period of time? How could those who deported a group not intend this destruction? In what significant way is the forcible removal of a population from their homeland different from the destruction’ of a group? If the boundary between ‘cleansing’ and genocide is unreal, why police it?”
Well, i have bad news… all of those were genocides
Edir: purging an etnicity from a land to gain a claim over that territory makes it sound bad enough?
Just so you know: In the India/Pakistan relocation, millions died.
Americans making this about Trump vs Kamala is getting really really annoying. I mean, we get it, you are pissed off at each other. We’ve read the same arguments dozens of times already, and at this point it is getting extremely tired. It sucks the oxygen out of every conversation. Is this what the discourse is going to be around Palestine and Israel the next four years?
It shows how much they actually care about Palestinians if that’s the takeaway from this…
I don’t think these people actually care about Palestinians, it’s team sports. They care more about saying “I told ya so” than advocating for people who are suffering.
You are commenting on an article specifically about Trump
The US President, yes. You have to understand that internationally, at this point, we just see him as just that: The US President. Your elections are your internal issue and we don’t need to be expending all our energy psychoanalyzing your electoral system. As not-an-american, I don’t give a damn about how mad you are at your fellow citizens who might or might not have stayed home at election day or voted in a way that you think was stupid. Not every fucking world event needs to be understood from the perspective of the role of Jill Fucking Stein as a spoiler candidate.
EDIT: Rule number 1 says “[…] Not United States Internal News […]”. This applies to posts, but I think after a certain point, overtly brigading every fucking world event thread with the internal US perspective kind of beats the point.
Lol you think there’s gonna be a Palestine in 4 years…
It’s the only reason they care about palestine at all.
The amount of hatred against phantom leftists that on the one hand lost the Dems the vote and on the other were too weak to have their demands considered is crazy.
No, these people didn’t lose you the vote. They don’t even exist in this ambivalent form. It was everyday citizens that heard Democrats push the same racist border talking points Trump spewed last election and went “Hm, if even the Dems say this is a problem, I’ll vote the party that talked about how evil Migrants were for decades, the GOP”. It’s people tired of increasingly struggling to make ends meet and the Dems saying everything will stay the same, while Trump promised them change. We know that he just means destroying the last remnants of social security nets for poor people and everything that stands in the way for oligarchs making kaijulllian dollars. But people are stupid and desperate. Why can’t the Democratic party be held to a higher standard than whatever this is?
The Dems are constantly held to a vastly higher standard. This was true when trump first came to power too.
Hillary: competent politician, could have smiled more maybe, no big changes.
Trump: grab em by the pussy, pay hush money to porn stars, ramble incoherently.
Public: what about her emails?
Hilary is responsible for Trump. she pushed him in the primary.
Keep telling yourself that…even if she did it wouldn’t have any affect on the gio primary
if you don’t know, you can just not say anything
No, they aren’t. Expecting the Dems to get the vote by not being the fascists is a low standard. They have to present more than that. They didn’t, in fact, and now the party blames leftists for not voting hard enough when it’s their failure.
Jesus, when Luigi Mangione allegedly killed that healthcare CEO, it showed how the entire country liked seeing that, and the Democratic party has no idea what kind of campaign they could maybe run? I’m not saying they should run on a billionaire purge platform, but c’mon, maybe use your one billion dollar campaign funds for sending a message for you and not against the other one. Instead we got a 25k grant for a house purchase if you jump through three hoops. Wow, inspiring stuff.
And Hillary Clinton being characterized as making “no big changes” tells the whole story here. Her opponent went on a “drain the swamp”, “we’re going to make America great again” campaign and building up a hispanic and muslim scape goat. Everyone who is educated knew these were lies, but people were bad off, even then, and needed change. To be a hawkish candidate in a war exhausted society who runs on nothing but trying to achieve the first female presidential office is a weak attempt at saving America from Trump.
Luigi mangione was having dinner with me when it happened.
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Cool cool. Takes like this are why Palestine is gonna disappear in the next 4 years.
Accelerationism has made things worse for everyone. Now we have a US president who has declared his intention to ethnically cleanse the Gaza Strip of Palestinians. If you want things to get better then you have to act in a way that is useful to that end. That means voting for parties that are to the left of fascists and that have a chance of winning. In the US, that’s the Democrats.
That means voting for parties that are to the left of fascists and that have a chance of winning. In the US, that’s the Democrats.
You’re reaching out to people too stupid to understand basic logic.
Which is why an anti-democratic felon rapist is our leader and is currently deconstructing our federal government.
You’re reaching out to people too stupid to understand basic logic.
Thankfully this problem has nothing to do with general intelligence which we don’t understand anyway. This is a problem with information and knowledge. There is a lot of false information. And people are unaware of true information. Thanks to the internet we have the opportunity to educate people we have never met to correct this.
These are people who fell for accelerationism. It’s an idea that anyone, of any political position, can fall for. It’s so tempting to think that things can get better by getting worse. Because all accelerationism asks of us is to do nothing. People will look at history and see the bad things that happened to people who tried to change things for the better, assassinations, murders, assaults, arrests and incorrectly conclude it had to get worse in order to get better. The truth is people kept working to make things better despite these set backs. People learned from their mistakes and then applied what they learned.
We need to keep reaching out to people because accelerationism is both useless and false. If we let things get worse they will continue to get worse indefinitely. People who believe in accelerationism will keep believing in accelerationism no matter how bad it gets. Unless we explain to them why accelerationism is useless and false.
Which is why an anti-democratic felon rapist is our leader and is currently deconstructing our federal government.
This has been caused primarily by the right-wing information sphere and the general capture of mainstream media by billionaires. Fox News has been brainwashing people for decades. And Q-Anon was able to get the boomers who didn’t know better to trust what they read on Facebook.
I’ve had multiple family members brainwashed by Fox News and other right-wing media. They are all competent women who held down jobs and raised families. One of them wrote code and another built furniture and metal art. Considering they are all white they would get high scores on IQ tests. It doesn’t matter how smart or competent a person is. If all the information a person consumes is fascist propaganda it’s logical to expect that person to vote for and support fascist candidates.
This is not a particularly helpful message for the time being since the election is past and won’t be for a while at best.
This is more a wish on what could have been and leaves little room for current discourse when this is a dead end topic.This is not a particularly helpful message for the time being since the election is past and won’t be for a while at best.
Other countries will have elections to determine if they have a fascist takeover in the next four years and beyond. Canada’s next election is October 20, 2025 but could be called sooner.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Canadian_federal_election
This is more a wish on what could have been and leaves little room for current discourse when this is a dead end topic.
American accelerationists still need to learn their lessons. There was a hate crime in my home town recently against a member of the LGBTQ+ community. People in the local LGBTQ+ community went to a meeting to express their concerns directly to the police force responsible for conducting the investigation. This was an exercise in demonstrating power. The local news is talking about it and people know we will not accept intolerance.
So the election has passed in America, but many of us may find out there are opportunities to make a difference and be vocal. A person needs to understand that doing nothing isn’t useful to participate in that kind of a moment.
Accelerationism is alive and well as is demonstrated by people in this comment section. So even though we can’t change the 2024 election results, we are going to keep talking about them. If we do not, the 2026 and 2028 elections, which are not guaranteed to happen now, will look very similar. Even if there are no more elections in America there are still people who need help. They will not get that help unless people believe they need to be helping.
I don’t think that legitimate elections are happening in 4 years. They’re gutting everything and installing their flunkies just as they said they would in p2025.
The last election is where democracy died.
The last election is where democracy died.
There are other countries with their own elections facing the threat of a fascist takeover. Canada has one on October 20, 2025 that could be called earlier.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Canadian_federal_election
I don’t think that legitimate elections are happening in 4 years. They’re gutting everything and installing their flunkies just as they said they would in p2025.
I think that it is likely we will not get fair and free elections if any elections at all in 2026 and 2028. It’s still possible that we do. We thankfully cannot rule out fascist incompetence in general, but we can’t count on it either for specific things. Regardless if we do have elections or not, having a movement that can win elections in theory is still useful for resisting and defeating fascism.
I am afraid that the time to vote your way out of this is at an end. There is no way Republicans will willingly give up all three branches of government.
I am afraid that the time to vote your way out of this is at an end. There is no way Republicans will willingly give up all three branches of government.
Musk has control of the US Treasury Department payment system. Obviously not. Fascists don’t hold elections.
I’m trying to get people to act in their own self-interest. It may be too late for us, but someone might learn something someday. People who survive the collapse of the US and climate change might make better choices.
If we don’t tell people what went wrong here they will do it again.
Oh by all means talk about what went wrong. Recording history is vital. I’m just saying voting your way out of this won’t happen.
Also, not every country has been taken over by fascists yet.
Who’s gonna fight the us?? Lmfao.
They don’t have to fight the US, they just have to help the north secede from the south.
You can’t make the survival of democracy hinge on everybody having to vote for you because else it would be getting even worse. You actually have to present an option that promises that things get better. Significantly even, since most people in the US are absolutely struggling.
As voters we had the opportunity to prevent fascism for four more years by voting for neoliberals. This would have given progressives and socialists another opportunity to co-opt the Democrat party. The failure of the Democrats to provide a compelling alternative does not mean we should be complicit in our own destruction and allow fascists to murder us.
I’m seeing a lot of voter bashing but the same Democrats in power. I get the criticism against voters. They should have voted neoliberal. But the Democrats set this vote up to fail. They just don’t seem to get any consequences for it.
They just don’t seem to get any consequences for it.
The consequences are that Democrat politicians live in a fascist dictatorship, are persecuted politically, and remembered for their incompetence. Many of them are rich enough that they will probably not feel the impacts anytime soon, it really depends how serious Trump is on the retribution.
What’s important is to care more about people than punishing the Democrats. If we are lucky enough to have future elections, we need to see the Democratic Party as a tool. edit: typo
They should have voted neoliberal.
There are more than one lesson to learn from an election. People need to learn to vote for the furthest left viable political party that they can. Democrats need to learn to adopt a populists narrative that pushes progressive and socialist ideas. Democrats are unlikely to do this until they are co-opted by progressives and socialists the way Republicans were co-opted by Trump. But delaying fascism as long as possible gives progressives and socialists more time to take control of the Democratic Party.
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Kamala was running for president. Biden dropped out. Kamala wanted to end the war.
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The vice president doesn’t have the power to overrule the president. Biden is complicit in genocide. Kamala and many in his adminstration are not.
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The vice president isn’t in charge of sending weapons to anyone. Harris was never given any such order to follow. Here is an overview of the role of the vice president:
https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/what-is-the-constitutional-role-of-the-vice-president
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Single-issue voters, when EVERYTHING was at stake, deserve all the hate they get, but are too stupid to understand. The worst kind of trumpers, ones that don’t think they are.
Yup.
I see no difference between a Trump voter and those stupid enough to vote 3rd party or abstain from voting.
They are all scum, equally.
Everything was at stake, so Democrats brought out Dick Cheney, Mark Cuban & continued spewed anti-Palestinian messaging to help Trump win. Got it.
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Trump says Palestinians have ‘no alternative’ but to leave Gaza
Trump is the president of the United States and he has declared his intentions to ethnically cleanse and thus genocide the Gaza Strip. Americans who refused to vote for Kamala Harris are part of how we got here. American accelerationism harmed Palestinians.
edit: Ethnic cleansing and genocide are inseparable. I’ve updated my comment to reflect this as Trump’s idea of a peaceful ethnic cleansing is completely and totally false.
so, are we only allowed to say ‘genocide’ when criticizing democrats? but when republicans do it “it’s not a genocide, it’s ethnic cleansing”.
so, are we only allowed to say ‘genocide’ when criticizing democrats?
Biden is complicit in genocide.
but when republicans do it “it’s not a genocide, it’s ethnic cleansing”.
Trump did call for ethnic cleansing. It’s good people are calling him out on this, because that is what he did. The issue is that we should all be calling him out on genocide as well. There is no such thing as a peaceful ethnic cleansing. So when Trump called for ethnic cleansing it was also a call for genocide. I found this relevant quote on wiki:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing
“How could ‘forced deportation’ ever be achieved without extreme coercion, indeed violence? How, indeed, could deportation not be forced? How could people not resist? How could it not involve the destruction of a community, of the way of life that a group has enjoyed over a period of time? How could those who deported a group not intend this destruction? In what significant way is the forcible removal of a population from their homeland different from the destruction’ of a group? If the boundary between ‘cleansing’ and genocide is unreal, why police it?”
Peaceful ethnic cleansing is an oxymoron. Peace is mutually exclusive from forceful relocation.
I will update my above comment to reflect this.
Ethnic cleansing is as dirty a term its not an attempt to downplay it
It’s important that we make it clear that there is no way to do an ethnic cleansing without genocide. I’ve updated my comment.
Yes, blame the voters. That will surely make them change and help win the next election for Democrats. /s
It isn’t blame, it’s observation. It is also not relivent to the second part of what you said.
The voters of the usa are the assholes who help a facist to win, voting for this asshole or not voting for any candidate and let a facist win, if you only have two options in an election, a shit politician vs a facist you always vote for the shit politician but i read a lot of shit excuses of US assholes that they be almost forced to vote for a facist, now you have a shit facist as president so yes, is your fault
now you have a shit facist as president so yes, is your fault
I am not American. But putting that aside, US has a fascist president because the so called better choice decided it is better for a fascist to be elected president than to do what voters asked for, like not supporting fucking Genocide.
How much better are the Democrats really, if they themselves did not care about handing the presidency to Trump?
It’s years of voters willing to vote for the “lesser evil” that allowed both parties to field shittier and shittier candidates. Because it’s not as bad as the other guy and people will vote for lesser evil. So now you have two options that should have both been completely unacceptable in any civilized society and you still pretend to be morally superior, because your completely evil candidate is slightly less evil then the other one.
You are assuming supporting Gaza would have helped in some way. In reality Americans see the gazans as a bunch of terrorist squatters and any greater support of them would have clinched the rust belt harder and only won more support on net where it wasn’t useful.
It would have been fantastic if team blue could have pissed off millions of white people to gain thousands of Muslims in Michigan for instance netting a bigger loss.
The problem is actually that Americans are stupid trash who have rotted what brain they had on TV and social media
Aaah, yes. Everyone’s fault but your politicians.
rotted what brain they had
I want to disagree, but the mental gymnastics people will do to shield their party/candidate from any responsibility is makes it difficult.
Im not from the usa, but i know if i need to choose between a facist an a piece of shit i prefer the piece of shit, you punch facist, fight agains them, do whatever to dont give then any kind of power but you came to give me excuses to support a facist, and please dont came to me to say about the evil of the usa because a know very well, their shit my country too, never support a facist or give then an opportunitty
If you are given a choice between two mouldy foods, most sane people would say “I don’t want any of them.” even if one is less mouldy than the other. We need to start saying no when given the option between two mouldy foods so we can have better foods,
Not how it works because this isn’t like food we are now going to seriously risk even having a choice because we picked autocracy. Millions are going to die and we’ll be impoverished for a generation whilst authoritarian China moves into a position of leadership.
Furthermore this is a critical period in deciding if we continue to exist as a species that is now largely going to be decided by fascists and morons
My point is that Democrats enabled a Fascist to have any chance of winning and seem to have no regrets about it. Any half competent candidate should have run laps around Trump, a convicted felon and known rapist. As long as they keep supporting the democratic party and making excuses for it despite that, stuff like this will keep happening. They need to find a way to hold their party accountable. Blaming the voter is the absolute opposite of that. I say this not to encourage anyone to vote for Trump, but to make people stop wasting time blaming the voters and start holding Democratic party accountable.
Just not true. America largely believes in Trump. We are just that stupid.
Who else would you blame when you lost a vote?
Something not directly involved?
Beep boop?
Who do you blame for climate change? The sun, chemistry or humans releasing chemicals to the atmosphere?
Arguably all 3 contribute to climate change, but only the last one is something you can change. So you blame humans, because it is the only productive option.
In an election, you can blame the party that lost or the voters. Blaming the voter is about as productive as blaming the sun, distracting from what changes have to happen in the Democratic party to guarantee a win in the next election.
