• Carighan Maconar@lemmy.world
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    Saw this Legal Eagle video earlier today and yeeesh, how stupid can one group of people be. They asked a guy to delete the security videos who then of course immediately ratted them out because even among Trump’s staff there’s people there with a minimum moral compass.

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      You don’t even need a moral compass for that. Just a healthy amount of fear of the law. Trump likes to act like a mobster, but he’s not whacking anybody.

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        This is why Trumpies (and other fascists) dislike “the deep state”, by the way.

        “The deep state” (in modern US usage) is anyone whose career in public service is not tied to a specific administration: professional bureaucrats, military officers, FBI agents, postal workers, etc.; in any city there will be similar officials, from the fire chief to the public librarians.

        The opposite of “the deep state” is “the patronage system” — where you get a government job only by supporting the winning candidate.

        When your town elects a new mayor, all the building inspectors and police officers and firefighters don’t have to stop their work and wait to find out whether the new mayor cares about smoke detectors and muggings. That’s because they’re part of “the deep state”, the part that doesn’t respond to shallow political changes.

        But that means that people in “the deep state” are immune to certain sorts of short-term manipulation. The local town postmaster is a federal employee who expects to be in office long after the current president is gone. Today’s army lieutenant might one day be a general — but only by outlasting a few presidents.

        Trumpies and other fascists dislike “the deep state” because its members expect to have loyalties to the state long after the current administration; and thus, they cannot devote themselves wholly to any current Führer.

      • anlumo@feddit.de
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        The fact that Trump doesn’t even want to commit to pardoning the people who tried to overthrow the government for him should get them to make a brief pause and think things over.

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          That ship has sailed. Not only didn’t he pardon them while in office, but he can’t pardon anyone of anything now.

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            He will get the pardon power again once he’s re-elected (while sitting in prison probably). The US electorate is really that stupid.

  • SpaceBar@lemmy.world
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    This makes 79 felony charges so far

    Hush Money case for Stormy Daniel’s, a former Playboy model, and another woman

    • 34 felony counts - Falsifying business records in the first degree

    Classified Documents Case

    • 32 felony counts of willful retention of national defense information in violation of the Espionage Act
    • 6 felony counts of obstruction-related crimes
    • 2 felony counts of false statements to the FBI
    • 1 felony count attempted destruction of evidence

    Attempted Coup (January 6th)

    • 4 felony charges including conspiracy to defraud the United States and an attempt to obstruct an official proceeding
    • rammer@sopuli.xyz
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      And still there are more Republicans that support him over any other candidate.

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        Not only does that say something about conservative voters, but it also says a lot about the GOP’s candidates for 2024.

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          I think it says a lot about how the right has demonized all opposition. When you have a highly impressionable voter base that is trained to think of themselves as evil immoral baby eating demons for agreeing with the left this is what you get. This is actual and real mass brainwashing. It is also why you see every possible invective hurled at opposition from fascist all the way to Marxist and everything in between.

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          it says more on our justice system and how we respect it

          after the war on drugs was used to arrest poor people for petty shit the rich got away with and now the war on terrorism being used to steal information and manipulate people, we have no faith in our justice system. it doesn’t matter he has these felonies because the law is unjust and corrupt anyway

  • WilliamTheWicked@lemmy.world
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    Can we please all just admit that he’s guilty of treason and charge him accordingly at this point? Between undermining the entire political system with his bullshit insurrection as AND keeping hold of documents that our enemies would pay to see, I’m not sure anyone could make a solid argument that he’s what we’re looking for in a citizen.

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      Can we please all just admit that he’s guilty of treason and charge him accordingly at this point?

      No, because that’s not how you get a legitimate conviction that will be upheld on appeal.

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        We can’t… Charge for crimes that have been committed and televised with millions of witnesses? Isn’t that almost entirely the point of the justice system?

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          You’re absolutely right. It’s crazy. But I believe for treason and sedition you have to prove intent. That’s a bit harder. As much as we want to have the hard and fast trial, it has to be done more carefully to make sure it’ll stick.

    • Another Person @lemmy.world
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      No because treason is specifically defined within the US Constitution and he has not met those parameters. However, sedition is absolutely on the table.

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      I don’t think there will be.

      However… if he gets any prison time, you DM me and I’ll Venmo you $200, which I request you spend on a nice drink, and we will toast in honor of my being wrong. I’m seriously good for it.

      I’m too jaded at this point. I’ve come to accept the orange man will never actually be punished.