I think now is a great time to remind everyone, like sync’s developer, Lemmy’s developers need to be paid too! The amount of time all the devs put into making lemmy exist, in my opinion, should be worth some of your money. If you can afford it, donating to the people who develop lemmy and/or the people keeping your home instance up will accelerate the incredible growth of lemmy!
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Good bloody grief! How did a reminder to support Lemmy devs and hosts get hijacked by Sync fans? Sync is a completely different topic.
It appears to be hijacked by FOSS fans from what I see.
We must be looking at different threads, unless Sync is FOSS.
All I know is I’m already sick of this anti-FOSS users narrative.
I don’t even get how someone can be anti-foss. I feel like it’s a necessity until a critical mass adopts the platform.
Thank you. I’m so tired of reading about Sync every other post.
Yeah, maybe shouldn’t have mentioned sync in my post. I was just doing as a joke though.
Sync users are annoyed getting blasted with FOSS this and that. Other client users do not need to ridicule Sync fans. Or behave like houlier than thou and teach Sync users how to spend rheir money.
They are free to stay closed-source proprietary but prople have the right to voice their opinions.
That is not holier than thou.
It’s a fine segue. I’m just surprised at how many people jumped at the chance to talk about a different topic and ignore your actual message.
Thanks for the reminder, BTW. As soon as I find a permanent home, I’ll add them to the donations list.
Wait wait, what is segue ?? 😂 in my language it means “a wanking session” lmao
It means transition in English 😅
Pronounced the same as Segway. link to hear it
Thanks TIL
What a peculiar coincidence…
LOL! That’s… disturbing… in this case. Funny image, though. And perhaps appropriate given how excited Sync makes some of its users. ;>
It means a smooth transition from one thing to another. In this case, using Sync to introduce the discussion about supporting devs and instances.
Yeah. If you got 100$ to spare you should be giving it lemmy instead of sync.
The difference is that some users have been using sync for a decade and using Lemmy for only a month. So it’s a lot easier to mentally justify supporting a developer who you’ve been benefiting from for so long.
I have also donated to my local instance, I really hope to see it all grow together.
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Reddit has benefitted from Sync, and other 3rd party apps, way more than Sync has benefitted from Reddit.
It’s less clear cut with Lemmy, which is supposed to evolve an ecosystem of free tools, so it might be that some day Sync will be benefitting from Lemmy more than Lemmy from Sync… but for now, Lemmy is relatively bare bones, like what Reddit used to be 15 years ago, so any 3rd party app with extra features is still a good thing.
Fortunately, Lemmy has no incentive to go closed source, like Reddit did (let’s not forget Reddit used to be open source while it was convenient for them, then it wasn’t).
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Tbf my lemmy usage will only go up because of sync, so maybe my money should go towards both.
Excuse me. I’m trying to make people feel bad here.
Sync is $20 to remove ads no? Where is it $100?
Update: nevermind I see it here for sync ultra
The 100$ is very much a premium tier with nice to have features. The ad free version is around 20$, which is still steep but you’re paying for lifetime ads.
you’re paying for lifetime ads
You don’t need to pay for that, just go to Reddit. Free unlimited lifetime ads! 😉
There are three donation options on that page, LiberaPay, Patreon and OpenCollective. Which one take the least amount of fee from the donated money?
Opencollective has PayPal ☝🏻 Best choice for me
Ended up using opencollective as well because of Paypal. But using credit card seems to have a bit lower fee than Paypal. Maybe I’ll use that for the next donation.
Using Credit card with other currencies than euros, my bank charges me fees. PayPal does not, that’s why I always prefer PayPal
They’ve mentioned they prefer liberapay
I just subbed to Sync, I love how it works and the little I can support the dev I am happy to. But yes not everyone is in the same boat.
You may have misunderstood, I was saying along with supporting the sync dev, the backend that powers sync was made by very different developers. Their work powers lemmy as a whole. If you can, you can support them by donating using this link: join-lemmy.org/donate
If I understand right, the lemmy devs are already paid to develop lemmy full time. I don’t fully understand the arrangements or who’s paying them though.
Sync dev wanting something worth for the all the work they’re doing is fine imo. You can tell he put a lot of effort into the app.
The sync cult however seem to be as annoying as they were on reddit. They are like this when we discuss anything about sync’s pricing even on non sync communities.
“I’m so happy I can buy sync again”
“Sync is the best”
“No other 3PA can compare to it in my experience”
This is one of the few times I feel like “nobody asked” applies.
I agree, some of these users in Sync threads are just straight up fucking annoying. Not even with their opinions that Sync is the best, that’s inconsequential in my opinion and fine, but I’ve had to stand up to a few really ignorant and a couple of really dumb takes regarding FOSS recently. I’m a FOSS advocate, but I believe in using the best tool/app/option firstly and I generally avoid recommendations unless they are sought after, but I just can’t stand by when inaccuracies and hypocritical takes are being thrown around regarding FOSS.
I had someone essentially arguing for security through obscurity with this comment recently:
FOSS brings a whole lotta good - and more good than bad - but it’s also pretty damn vulnerable because a bad actor could just look at the source code and then figure out what exploits and vulnerabilities a FOSS app might have.
Another user with another bad take:
Why would I invest my time and energy into a FOSS app that may go defunct in a year or two, when I can just install an app that does the same thing, looks nicer, does more, is easier to use, and has the backing of a company that is likely going to stick around for a while?
Like hello? That proprietary app just got killed by a proprietary platform, and was saved by a FOSS platform. And backing of a company? Also might want to check out killedbygoogle.com
With that said, Sync is really polished, it’s been in development for a long time now so it’s going to have that advantage over other clients. It has by far the most customization I’ve tried, which I absolutely love, and it runs smoothly. Right now it has a major glitch with comment sorting by top, but once that is fixed, then it is worth $20 for ad-free. And annoying Sync users aside, that’s how I feel about Sync.
I also support Jerboa, and have sent them money. And in all honestly, even though Jerboa doesn’t have the customization that Sync has right now, it runs just as smoothly and the defaults align with my wants and needs so it doesn’t need the extra customization for me personally. When Jerboa adds a default comment sorting option, it’s going to be my preferred client.
inaccuracies and hypocritical takes are being thrown around regarding FOSS.
Oh wow that grinds my gears too. Hopefully those takes are out of pure ignorance and lack of information rather than actually believing FOSS is not secure.
It’s the former.
The second bad take lmao. Is this actually from lemmy?
Yeah, unfortunately, although they were kbin users. I made lengthy responses to both of those individuals. Some of the dude’s takes were wtf-worthy… basically views FOSS like a 3rd world country. He’s just completely ignorant.
Yes, most people are dumb
Damn these people being happy their favorite app is on Lemmy.
Seriously why do you care ?
Also, the reality is not that the sync cult is too vocal it’s that they represent a solid chunk of the overall user base.
And also the fact that on Lemmy there is not much content as of now so minor things can become events.
I’m a bit salty about sync’s pricing especially because I already bought the ads removal when sync was on reddit. And I feel like this is not a new code base so I should at least get a minor discount.
There are all kinds of sync users, stop oversimplifying things and spreading stereotypes. Just let people enjoy their few days of being happy they can browse Lemmy in their comfort zone.
The sync cult however seem to be as annoying as they were on reddit.
This is very weird for me because I was very active on reddit for many years and was subscribed to the android and sync subreddits. Barely ever seen any comments or posts about sync. If you had a lot of interaction about sync on reddit, I have to believe it’s because you were looking for that type of content. Or maybe you had a very narrow selection of subreddits. I don’t know.
And right there is the problem. I bought sync for reddit so why should I have to pay for lemmy. I mean the developer had to do work to rewrite for the lemmy api.
You should want to at least chuck a dollar to your home instance. Sync won’t have damn content on it if there’s no Lemmy instances to pull from.
I’m a bit salty about sync’s pricing especially because I already bought the ads removal when sync was on reddit. And I feel like this is not a new code base so I should at least get a minor discount.
I am in the similar boat. I feel that I left reddit in solidarity with the 3rd party app developers. And, I was expecting the price to reflect some discount for the people who left in solidarity.
I also feel that ad removal is a in principle as most people on lemmy would be using tools to already block ads. I am willing to pay, but I am hardly inconvenienced by the ads.
Seriously why do you care ?
Not the person you were replying to but it does get a bit much when a thread isn’t about Sync - like this one for example, which is trying to draw attention to funding Lemmy development and instance sustainability - and then it gets hit with people talking about how much they love Sync and they’re happy to pay for it.
My guy go read the threads title
My guy read the actual post.
I’m telling you bruh, no reading comprehension at all 😂😂😂
Again this is organic. A large influx of sync users started being active on Lemmy. It will fade out in a matter of days.
I understand the sentiment but honestly feel like people are creating unnecessary drama. This is just a temporary trend just like we had days and days of beans meme which was also mildly annoying after 5/6 days.
True, drama hits everywhere, but it can easily be avoided in a post about the importance of supporting lemmy development and instance sustainability by not going on that post to comment how much you personally love a for-profit app. Or any app in fact.
Seriously why do you care ?
Hmm, I’m not sure how much I actually do. It’s mostly these posts coming to my feed automatically and this is like the main lemmy topic today.
The sync cult however seem to be as annoying as they were on reddit.
This is very weird for me because I was very active on reddit for many years and was subscribed to the android and sync subreddits. Barely ever seen any comments or posts about sync.
Hmm, maybe I shouldn’t actually have called them a cult after thinking through more. But I do find some of what they do annoying like what I mentioned before.
If you had a lot of interaction about sync on reddit, I have to believe it’s because you were looking for that type of content. Or maybe you had a very narrow selection of subreddits. I don’t know.
Sync was mostly drama free but there were two things I noticed on reddit.
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Sometimes when free version users come to troubleshoot an issue, premium users would try to convince them to buy the pro version to support the developer without offering a solution(most likely because they can’t offer a solution). I was in many different third party apps and this was absurd to me. I don’t recall seeing anything like this in any of the other third party app subreddits. A reason behind this might be the large userbase. Sync has a much larger userbase than most third party android apps. Also, sync dev and the moderators were chill. It was just comments from random users.
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The developer once released a major update which many old time users didn’t like. They raged to the point that the sync dev took a pretty long break to the point people were wondering if sync was abandoned or not. Even his own moderators lost contact with him. I wasn’t even subscribed to the sync subreddit when this happened and l learned of it like a few weeks or maybe a month or two later from I think r/androidapps or a similar subreddit where people were discussing their favourite third party apps.
So, nope. Sync isn’t drama free completely and my selection of subreddits definitely weren’t narrow(I had to make multiple custom feeds at the end).
I want to add again that I’m satisfied with the sync dev’s work and decision. It’s not wrong to want to profit from your work.
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No one asked.
So what is lemmy then?
Did somebody asked your opinion?
No. But here we are. Reading about the “sync cult” whatever that is.
So… Let’s extend that courtesy to everyone, all right?
Because a “nobody asked about your opinion” stance is a sure fire way to end any discussion platform. Like lemmy.
What I do think that Mr. Dawson should do is direct a percentage of that sweet sync income at lemmy.world and the lemmy devs. That would end or at least lessen this discussion.
I’d normally agree. I don’t really like when someone responds with “nobody asked” to me or someone else.
But I really don’t think a comment such as “I’m glad I can buy sync again” is appropriate for posts such as this. OP came to remind us to donate to lemmy devs as one of the main topics of lemmy is about sync now. The OP and the users who clicked this post didn’t come to see comments like those from those specific sync users.
As for calling them a cult, I apologize for that.
Again, I also agree “nobody asked” isn’t really a healthy way to proceed but those comments really do feel irrelevant. I have no idea what their purpose is here.
The “everything ever should be FOSS” cult keeps prodding people that disagree with them, gets angry when those folks argue back, then calls them a cult instead because they “won’t shut up”.
You got a lot more in common with MAGAs than you fuckin realize, damn.
(General support for FOSS is not a cult)
Conversely, all the memes trying to shit on sync by people who never used it or even tried it, who asked?
right? “sync users never shut up”
meanwhile my feed:
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we get it you don’t like sync, I’m just trying to find content in an app i enjoy 🤷♂️
Ohh, that’s mine. Sorry if my post annoyed you, i’m just trying my best adding content to lemmy. Funny enough, i’m really to throw money at ultra sub because i love reddit sync, but seeing the pricing and no regional price while the app still in beta state, i’d rather not, for now.
App is nice though, feels like home.
There is regional pricing though, look at the comments under posts about removing ads. Some are paying the equivalent of $15, others €18 to €23.
Cool. What are the regional prices for your home instance? Your home instance is where you created your account, just to give you a head start.
lol it’s all good 😁 I don’t mind the posts at all
Personally I find both sides a bit grating, but moreso the anti-Sync crowd lol.
I used Sync for Reddit and paid for lifetime, but after a while I found that I liked Infinity better, so I switched. I’m now using Infinity for Lemmy and probably won’t use Sync for Lemmy, but people who are using Sync (and paid for it)? Good for them. No need to tell them, “Haha you’re a sucker for paying for something when there are free alternatives!!”, you lose absolutely nothing by other people using Sync or other proprietary apps.
Let people use what they want, jfc.
Q on infinity, is it possible to hide/collapse comments? When I click on a comment, it just shows/hides the toolbar. That’s what’s stopping me from using at the moment.
On infinity a long press will collapse all comments replying to that comment. With the “Fully collapse comment” setting enabled (under Interface->comment) it will collapse that comment too. The setting “Swap tap and long press in comments” (under Gestures & buttons) will make it so tapping has that effect instead. In the comment toolbar, to the left of the save comment button there is an up arrow that also triggers the collapse of the comment.
Thank you!
Edit: back on infinity with this change :)
I’ll throw some money in!
My question is, why are people waiting until now to say you can donate to Lemmy devs? I haven’t seen it discussed at all, anywhere, until someone released an app where they’re asking for optional payments
It’s discussed on a regular basis, most admins are very transparent about their expenses. You would just need to go look at your home instance’s community page and do a little light reading.
Most instances also have donation links in the sidebar too
Lemmy devs are commies, they don’t need capitalist money.
A turnip and a potato is all they need.
“Don’t make me tap the sign”
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/we-should-improve-society-somewhat
Heh, if only we could leave the concept of money by moving to some country where it doesn’t exist.
If we had space travel, I would get off this rock and go somewhere else. Unfortunately we are stuck here.
So now, somehow, money became a capitalist concept?
They live in a capitalistic society.
My instance’s owner has a Patreon. I give there. I definitely recommend that others do the same.
I don’t think the Lemmy devs are getting that much either from funding. I feel like an attitude of supporting all tiers that make this place work will be necessary.
It’s also possible to use the free version and just deal with ads. If you want lemmy to thrive, then sync is exactly the sort of thing we need (it’s the only reason I’m here after the final death of RIF)
Yes, and if you want Lemmy to thrive, donate to your home instance admins and the Lemmy devs (read: not the same as an app developer) if possible.
Edit: @dogebread has a point, “No” is abrasive. Adjusting.
So abrasive. What you said is not in competition with the parent comment, so why the “no”? You mean to say “yes and” because we need both user engagement and longevity.
I was focused on “things like sync are needed for lemmy to thrive”, lemmy can’t thrive if the servers aren’t covered financially.
Lol, I did the same thing the sync users in the comments did and ignored most of the message.
I’m disabled and on a fixed income. I make less than minimum wage. The only thing I have to contribute are my occasional keen thoughts, but if you need me to leave, I can. I get that a lot.
I won’t be buying or using Sync, as its pricing is prohibitive and ads sometimes include malware.
sometimes include malware
Source? That’s a pretty serious accusation.
None other than the FBI: https://www.ic3.gov/Media/Y2022/PSA221221?=8324278624
but if you need me to leave, I can. I get that a lot.
I don’t think OP is suggesting this. It’s simply a reminder to those who have the privilege of having extra income that contributing to the core devs improves the experience for everyone, regardless of their individual ability to contribute.
I’m personally happy to donate if it means everyone gets to continue enjoying the growth of the platform, as the real value of the threadiverse is user activity.
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I thought the fuss was because of the apparent tracking, not the fact that it’s a paid app?
For me, the fuss, in this thread is about Sync users inexplicable need to jump into a thread about supporting Lemmy development and keeping instances afloat with comments about how much they love Sync.
The only reason I keep coming back to this thread is to point the sync users towards donating, but they just keep talking about sync prices as if that’s keeping their home instance up and running. There appears to be a real lack in reading comprehension or perhaps it’s just ignorance to how lemmy works / how to support the platform. Either way, I’m here to help.
It is absolutely blowing my mind how insular some people are. ‘just let me use Sync’, ‘I just want to access Lemmy in my favourite app’, ‘who asked you for your opinion?’
It’s like they don’t know that the API their app accesses was built by a couple of guys or that the data their app consumes is paid for by people running that software. And then they get uppity when you point out to them that maybe a thread pointing out it might be a good idea to support those people isn’t the place for them to tell everyone how much they love Sync.
After the way Lemmy responded, and there were absolute children making the biggest splashes, then any reference to, “well, got cash, please pay.” hits as another dig. I don’t think that was OPs intent and I didn’t read it that way.
But the absolute conniption that lemmy had did not endear the new, moneyed participants (some) in the way I think you’d hope.
It was juvenile. Days ago I set up a subscription support for lemmy.world. I know how it works. I wouldn’t be surprised that others did too.
Here’s my proposal: Lemmy isn’t the 30 most vocal anti-sync people Sync users aren’t all the ones you see posting in frustration.
Passive aggressive “they” style comments are some of the stunted maturity acts I’ve seen here.
Say what you mean, mean what you say, but reflect before pressing the button.
When we geeked out, lemmy brought wheelbarrows of shit to dump on the elation. This is where we are.
Conciliation would help on all sides. But let’s not pretend there’s a background that makes both “sides” more reasonable.
If you want to use Sync, be my guest, I’m glad you’ve found an app you like. I genuinely don’t care what app anyone uses. Also, if you want to share your love of an app with others, feel free to do that too.
But - and try to hear this - hijacking a thread which is about making sure Lemmy gets developed (without which your app won’t work) and supporting instances (without which your app won’t work) to say how much you love your app is beyond crass.
Interesting response because I was responding to you making the topic Sync.
It’s right up there.
Just be honest. It’s okay. But don’t pretend I made sync the topic. Or that I didn’t discuss donating to the lemmy world server (or that I
doused to).I think, however, I’ll stay on lemmy.world but stop the donations. It looks like I’m indifferent to its success given the lack of integrity or serious commentators.
For all those concerned with how i spend my money, I found a way to save some.
I have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. I’m not being evasive or dismissive, I genuinely have absolutely no clue what you’re talking about.
He’s being obtuse on purpose.
What is that link and who are those people? How do I find out who runs lemmy.world and how do I donate to them?
Lemmy donation https://join-lemmy.org/donate
Lemmy Instance patreon https://www.patreon.com/mastodonworld
