Who the fuck demands people present pronouns? You either do it, or you accept either sometimes being misgendered or getting an indeterminate “they”.
Or are you just trying to start the new year bitching about people insisting on common courtesy after helpfully specifying their own preferred pronouns?
So would you say the same thing about an usher at a movie theater telling you to shut up or get kicked out? How about a boss telling their employee to take out the trash? A parent telling their kid not to hit their sibling? That’s all the same, right, because they’re all making a demand that someone conducts themself in a certain way?
I’m self centered because I consider other people’s feelings before addressing them?
I’m sorry that I didn’t consider how annoying it must be for you to respect other humans in your vicinity.
I’m an effort to be more like you, I will disregard your username and call you Fucko. In the future, I’ll expect you to respond to the name Fucko, as not to oppress my freedom of speech. Sound good, Fucko?
Conservatives are the softest people I’ve ever met. Oppressed by having to consider anyone else’s feelings. God forgive you have to think for a split second before speaking to someone. I guess that last part is what makes it so painful.
I don’t understand the whole controversy of pronouns. If a person says, “Hey, call me this instead of this,” that’s fine. I don’t have to go out of my way to do what you request. If it bothers people to go against the “ebb and flow” on something so simple, then that’s their personal problem.
However, comparing it to a burka, then it almost seems like the opposite side having an issue with people who don’t adhere to your standard. the whole argument is completely asinine because I don’t understand why it’s should matter and why people who prefer something besides their default pronoun get so upset about what other people think.
We, as individual people, have too much shit on our plate as it is. Why are you going to get mad because someone that you could easily remove from your life (because you don’t like them for a possible myriad of reasons) has spited you? Live your own life and stop getting mad about how others live theirs.
Now with that being said, I’ve never had a family member that I love come out requesting a different pronoun beside default (also i personally think saying “default” is the best way to approach it), so i can’t say exactly how I would react.
It’s really easy, say your name is Tom, and I start calling you Stacy all the time, you’re going to get bothered by it eventually at best
Or downright fuming at worst. It literally takes you nothing to use the right nouns/pronouns.
But if it’s a requested change, how put out are you by it? It’s still the same human that you respect and appreciate. And if you respect and appreciate them, you’d adhere to their request. That’s what loyalty is
To address the first one. You assume that everybody uses language the same way that you do. That conforming to your demands in this is as preferable for them as it is for you.
It’s funny, english people are given names at birth, and we use those names. And when they want to go by something else, we’re ok with it (nick names), that’s how the English language is used by the overwhelming vast majority so yes, the only gigantic assumption here is that the majority of English speakers don’t speak that way.
And when they want to go by something else, we’re ok with it (nick names)
You know who’s not fine with it? People who care more about themselves than they care about others.
I had a friend named John who, later in life, asked to be called his given name, Jonathan. For the friend group and most of his family, it was a bit hard to remember at first, but we did it because we cared about him. For some of his family, it was another matter - they fought against it with excuses, questioning, and “forgetfulness”. Only after being assertive, defending himself again and again, did they respect his wishes. And this was a cis male asking to be called his give name because he felt he was at a new stage of his life. The difference was that one part of his family cared more about themselves than they did about Jonathan.
Some of us have an abundance of care to fellow humans, and we give it freely. Some are too inconvenienced by things that they don’t like, or doesn’t fit their conventions that they say, “You can’t make me respect you!” or “Respecting you is making me less free!” And they do so because they care less about the people they interact with than themselves.
I’m guessing OP is a troll btw. Anyone serious on this topic would have written a manifesto. Thanks for getting me writing though! 😋
You say that, but I have had a pet snake since I was a child and because I was a boy child I assumed they were male. But once I got older it occured to me that I have no idea if they’re actually male or female (because sexing a snake isn’t as easy as with mammals) and it seems more likely that they’re actually female. But I’m not certain either way and I genuinely don’t care. So I’ve since started refering to them as they/them. My dad still points it out every time I do it. “Oh, you have multiple snakes?” It’s kinda weird considering he’s so progressive in every other way.
Who the fuck demands people present pronouns? You either do it, or you accept either sometimes being misgendered or getting an indeterminate “they”.
Or are you just trying to start the new year bitching about people insisting on common courtesy after helpfully specifying their own preferred pronouns?
Speak this word or I’ll be upset
Wear this thing or I’ll be upset
You gotta admit it’s a pretty good parallel
“respect who I am or I’ll be upset”
“This is who you need to be or I’ll be upset”
Nope, not seeing it.
Both are making a demand, that you conduct yourself in a certain way.
So would you say the same thing about an usher at a movie theater telling you to shut up or get kicked out? How about a boss telling their employee to take out the trash? A parent telling their kid not to hit their sibling? That’s all the same, right, because they’re all making a demand that someone conducts themself in a certain way?
Oh make the statement that you want to make already. Dancing around it allusively just muddles things.
Or you can tell me why my examples are different than yours, or that they really are all the same.
Your mode of conversation is bassackwards and duplicitous. I’ll pass. Lol.
Nope. Literally opposites.
You are imposing YOUR will on another when you purposely use the wrong pronoun.
YOU ARE THE OPPRESSOR, NOT THE OPPRESSED.
Your self-centeredness is absurd. We have better things to do than oppress you. Trust me in this.
We speak in whatever way seems best. And that is a personal matter. Respect that or not.
I’m self centered because I consider other people’s feelings before addressing them?
I’m sorry that I didn’t consider how annoying it must be for you to respect other humans in your vicinity.
I’m an effort to be more like you, I will disregard your username and call you Fucko. In the future, I’ll expect you to respond to the name Fucko, as not to oppress my freedom of speech. Sound good, Fucko?
Y’all got some loose definition of oppression
Gaza residents are oppressed
Working class is oppressed
Some dick in the wild not using the language you prefer is not oppression
It’s not a competition. There’s always someone who has it worse, and that does not invalidate anyone else’s struggles.
Some struggles are so objectively small that invalidating them is only sane.
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So if I just refer to you by the wrong pronouns all the time you won’t get upset? Or if I change your name out for fatty, or fat fuck?
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“Fat Fucko” it is.
Knock yourself out.
But I find that convenience is the primary dictator of speech. Anything else gets awkward and exhausting.
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Conservatives are the softest people I’ve ever met. Oppressed by having to consider anyone else’s feelings. God forgive you have to think for a split second before speaking to someone. I guess that last part is what makes it so painful.
Not really, no.
I don’t understand the whole controversy of pronouns. If a person says, “Hey, call me this instead of this,” that’s fine. I don’t have to go out of my way to do what you request. If it bothers people to go against the “ebb and flow” on something so simple, then that’s their personal problem.
However, comparing it to a burka, then it almost seems like the opposite side having an issue with people who don’t adhere to your standard. the whole argument is completely asinine because I don’t understand why it’s should matter and why people who prefer something besides their default pronoun get so upset about what other people think.
We, as individual people, have too much shit on our plate as it is. Why are you going to get mad because someone that you could easily remove from your life (because you don’t like them for a possible myriad of reasons) has spited you? Live your own life and stop getting mad about how others live theirs.
Now with that being said, I’ve never had a family member that I love come out requesting a different pronoun beside default (also i personally think saying “default” is the best way to approach it), so i can’t say exactly how I would react.
It’s really easy, say your name is Tom, and I start calling you Stacy all the time, you’re going to get bothered by it eventually at best Or downright fuming at worst. It literally takes you nothing to use the right nouns/pronouns.
But if it’s a requested change, how put out are you by it? It’s still the same human that you respect and appreciate. And if you respect and appreciate them, you’d adhere to their request. That’s what loyalty is
Not put out at all. Even if I don’t respect and appreciate them. I will use the name they want. Loyalty has nothing to do with this.
Ok. Then respect
That’s a large assumption, and a presumptuous demand.
Do not assume. Do not demand. Mind your manners. Everybody around you will appreciate it.
“Can you call me this instead?”
“NO. I WILL CALL YOU WHAT I DEEM CORRECT!”
Mind manners indeed. I wonder if you can even conceptualize being in their shoes and being treated like that.
It’s not, and it’s not. Correct, false, Correct, Correct.
To address the first one. You assume that everybody uses language the same way that you do. That conforming to your demands in this is as preferable for them as it is for you.
That’s a pretty gigantic assumption.
It’s funny, english people are given names at birth, and we use those names. And when they want to go by something else, we’re ok with it (nick names), that’s how the English language is used by the overwhelming vast majority so yes, the only gigantic assumption here is that the majority of English speakers don’t speak that way.
You know who’s not fine with it? People who care more about themselves than they care about others.
I had a friend named John who, later in life, asked to be called his given name, Jonathan. For the friend group and most of his family, it was a bit hard to remember at first, but we did it because we cared about him. For some of his family, it was another matter - they fought against it with excuses, questioning, and “forgetfulness”. Only after being assertive, defending himself again and again, did they respect his wishes. And this was a cis male asking to be called his give name because he felt he was at a new stage of his life. The difference was that one part of his family cared more about themselves than they did about Jonathan.
Some of us have an abundance of care to fellow humans, and we give it freely. Some are too inconvenienced by things that they don’t like, or doesn’t fit their conventions that they say, “You can’t make me respect you!” or “Respecting you is making me less free!” And they do so because they care less about the people they interact with than themselves.
I’m guessing OP is a troll btw. Anyone serious on this topic would have written a manifesto. Thanks for getting me writing though! 😋
edit: a comma.
Haha you’re welcome! I’m glad you took the time to write it out, as it was good to read. Thank you!
People never seem to have problems with changing pronouns when it’s for someone’s pet
“Cute dog what’s his name”
“Oh she’s Luna”
“I love her!”
You say that, but I have had a pet snake since I was a child and because I was a boy child I assumed they were male. But once I got older it occured to me that I have no idea if they’re actually male or female (because sexing a snake isn’t as easy as with mammals) and it seems more likely that they’re actually female. But I’m not certain either way and I genuinely don’t care. So I’ve since started refering to them as they/them. My dad still points it out every time I do it. “Oh, you have multiple snakes?” It’s kinda weird considering he’s so progressive in every other way.