Mate at some point or another you do need to chastise people for claiming they want change, even posting on the internet about all the change they want to see, “remvolutionnnnn!” they shout, and then they do absolutely fucking nothing about it.
Every now and then a kick up the arse helps. I’m not “trying to reach out” to most of these people, I already know that they’re ideologically where they need to be, they already believe that capitalism will not save the planet, they already believe that every day is a step closer to mass famines and societal collapse, they trust the scientists. They want change. What they’re not doing is getting off their arse and going to people that actually want to do something about it. They inactive, they’re hoping something magical will happen with the existing capitalist political ruling class who have brought us to this cliff edge and that they’ll magically stop us marching right off it. They don’t even believe that they will stop the march off the cliff but something deep deep deep down is still making them hope and pray for the yesterday when they could just stay at home and be politically inactive, where politics was a thing that happened on the news and didn’t impact them too much.
Well that shit has changed and they need a boot up the arse to realise that. I don’t need to reach out to them because they already fucking agree. All we need is for all of them to get off their arse and actually do something.
So yeah I’m fine with how I’ve framed it. If you think I’m “reaching out” to you you’re probably still calling yourself a liberal, you’re not the target.
The “kick up the arse” doesn’t work. You’re just going to make people get defensive. You being rude gives them an excuse to not listen to you - now they can strike you off as a madman radical and move on with their lives.
This person was just advising to not get overwhelmed with anxiety and panic for the future because it’s just going to make the present suck before that future is even here. They never said “don’t take any action at all” or “it’ll all magically be okay”. Going to that person to try and overwhelm them with anxiety and panic for the future and calling them names for not being overwhelmed with anxiety and panic for the future isn’t any kind of rhetorical “tough love” thing you’re trying for it to be - it’s just a dick move.
Trying to overload people with fear doesn’t work. It’s actually a denialist tactic, when your brain is so overloaded with fear it can’t function with it, everything turns into a blurry mess as a self defense mechanism. You stop thinking about it, that’s what most conscious people have done. Very, very few people have genuine faith and trust in today’s political authorities. But regardless, in that state it’s very easy to fall for a counter narrative just to be more calm with your life.
Also, I’m not a liberal. Not every country has an organized and effective radical left. In here the most radical leftist parties are leninists who only sit on their asses writing articles on websites that look from the 90s about how we should support ISIS in their anti-imperialist struggle. I focus on improving and sustaining my own community.
Completely disagree. Have seen it work plenty of times and will absolutely continue doing it. Shame is a powerful motivator and you’re simply wrong.
In here the most radical leftist parties are leninists so all they do is sit on their asses writing articles on websites that look from the 90s about how we should support ISIS in their anti-imperialist struggle. I focus on improving and sustaining my own community.
This is bollocks mate and just tells me you literally do not participate by highlighting that you have absolutely no clue what anyone is doing. You’re mad at me for chastising you because you feel that it applies to you.
Go and join an org and stop making excuses. Start with a union.
I’m not telling you what to do. I’m telling you it’s a shitty thing to do and it doesn’t work. It didn’t work in this thread, and if you’ve found instances of it “working”, I’m 90% sure people just followed along with you so you stopped nagging them. Shaming someone doesn’t convince them, at most it may convince third observers.
This is bollocks mate and just tells me you literally do not participate by highlighting that you have absolutely no clue what anyone is doing. You’re mad at me for chastising you because you feel that it applies to you.
You can ascribe any feelings you want to me, the truth is the same. Most leninists in here don’t do anything, they just whine on blogposts about stupid bullshit. As a matter of fact I do have a clue, because I keep the article as a great reminder: http://www.pmli.it/articoli/2015/20151015_scuderiletussupporttheislamicstate.html
Instead of being part of them, as I previously said, I focus on improving and sustaining my own community. In that I’ve done way more for the proletariat of my country than any smug authoritarian cuck has done in years.
I hope you realize my initial point now. Direct confrontation doesn’t work. The other person will get defensive, probably immediately, and try to look for any possible reason to not listen to you, even if it has nothing to do with what you’re trying to argue. I wonder what you’ll say to deny it next, given that you’ve gone through that exact process right now in this very conversation.
Mate at some point or another you do need to chastise people for claiming they want change, even posting on the internet about all the change they want to see, “remvolutionnnnn!” they shout, and then they do absolutely fucking nothing about it.
Every now and then a kick up the arse helps. I’m not “trying to reach out” to most of these people, I already know that they’re ideologically where they need to be, they already believe that capitalism will not save the planet, they already believe that every day is a step closer to mass famines and societal collapse, they trust the scientists. They want change. What they’re not doing is getting off their arse and going to people that actually want to do something about it. They inactive, they’re hoping something magical will happen with the existing capitalist political ruling class who have brought us to this cliff edge and that they’ll magically stop us marching right off it. They don’t even believe that they will stop the march off the cliff but something deep deep deep down is still making them hope and pray for the yesterday when they could just stay at home and be politically inactive, where politics was a thing that happened on the news and didn’t impact them too much.
Well that shit has changed and they need a boot up the arse to realise that. I don’t need to reach out to them because they already fucking agree. All we need is for all of them to get off their arse and actually do something.
So yeah I’m fine with how I’ve framed it. If you think I’m “reaching out” to you you’re probably still calling yourself a liberal, you’re not the target.
The “kick up the arse” doesn’t work. You’re just going to make people get defensive. You being rude gives them an excuse to not listen to you - now they can strike you off as a madman radical and move on with their lives.
This person was just advising to not get overwhelmed with anxiety and panic for the future because it’s just going to make the present suck before that future is even here. They never said “don’t take any action at all” or “it’ll all magically be okay”. Going to that person to try and overwhelm them with anxiety and panic for the future and calling them names for not being overwhelmed with anxiety and panic for the future isn’t any kind of rhetorical “tough love” thing you’re trying for it to be - it’s just a dick move.
Trying to overload people with fear doesn’t work. It’s actually a denialist tactic, when your brain is so overloaded with fear it can’t function with it, everything turns into a blurry mess as a self defense mechanism. You stop thinking about it, that’s what most conscious people have done. Very, very few people have genuine faith and trust in today’s political authorities. But regardless, in that state it’s very easy to fall for a counter narrative just to be more calm with your life.
Also, I’m not a liberal. Not every country has an organized and effective radical left. In here the most radical leftist parties are leninists who only sit on their asses writing articles on websites that look from the 90s about how we should support ISIS in their anti-imperialist struggle. I focus on improving and sustaining my own community.
Completely disagree. Have seen it work plenty of times and will absolutely continue doing it. Shame is a powerful motivator and you’re simply wrong.
This is bollocks mate and just tells me you literally do not participate by highlighting that you have absolutely no clue what anyone is doing. You’re mad at me for chastising you because you feel that it applies to you.
Go and join an org and stop making excuses. Start with a union.
I’m not telling you what to do. I’m telling you it’s a shitty thing to do and it doesn’t work. It didn’t work in this thread, and if you’ve found instances of it “working”, I’m 90% sure people just followed along with you so you stopped nagging them. Shaming someone doesn’t convince them, at most it may convince third observers.
You can ascribe any feelings you want to me, the truth is the same. Most leninists in here don’t do anything, they just whine on blogposts about stupid bullshit. As a matter of fact I do have a clue, because I keep the article as a great reminder: http://www.pmli.it/articoli/2015/20151015_scuderiletussupporttheislamicstate.html
Instead of being part of them, as I previously said, I focus on improving and sustaining my own community. In that I’ve done way more for the proletariat of my country than any smug authoritarian cuck has done in years.
So you’re not organised. You’re not even in a union. And you’re not doing any organising.
Thanks for the confirmation. I’ll be on the picket lines with everyone else actually organising. Enjoy the higher wages, rights and holidays though.
I hope you realize my initial point now. Direct confrontation doesn’t work. The other person will get defensive, probably immediately, and try to look for any possible reason to not listen to you, even if it has nothing to do with what you’re trying to argue. I wonder what you’ll say to deny it next, given that you’ve gone through that exact process right now in this very conversation.
Wow direct conflict with liberal trolls that aren’t the target doesn’t work! What a revelation!
I rest my case. Have a nice day!
This reddit behaviour should have stayed on reddit.