The hearing was actually incredible and I encourage everyone to actually watch the whole 2.5 hr recording, and come up with their own opinion after.
It is an incredible moment in time, I can’t stress how big of a deal that members of the government are openly and seriously listening to these people, agreeing with them and believing them, and saying that they too, are tired of being kept in the dark by the rest of the government.
They also agree the negative stigma against the topic should be addressed as well as instating a safe reporting system too.
The entire time the tone was very serious. I seriously challenge anyone to watch it and say their isn’t at least some air of credibility to it, if you’re a skeptic.
These men mention they risked their military careers by reporting all of this info- that’s how serious and important it is.
This shouldn’t be something you just laugh at and dismiss.
I forgot to mention the whole thing was (mostly) bipartisan…. This never fucking happens, Congress can’t even agree on what lunch to order without it turning into dems vs republicans.
At times, however, Grusch was less forthcoming under oath than he had been in media interviews.
In the interview with NewsNation in June, Grusch claimed the government had “very large, like a football-field kind of size” alien craft, while he told Le Parisien, a French newspaper, that the US had possession of a “bell-like craft” which Benito Mussolini’s government had recovered in northern Italy in 1933.
On Wednesday, Grusch seemed unwilling to go into details on those claims, citing issues of security. Grusch told the hearing he was prepared to elaborate in private, but his reticence prompted speculation from doubters.
Garrett Graff, a journalist and historian who is writing a book on the government’s hunt for UFOs, tweeted: “Very interesting to me that Dave Grusch is unwilling to state and repeat under oath at the #UFOHearings the most explosive (and outlandish) of his claims from his NewsNation interview. He seems to be very carefully dancing around repeating them.”
Not to mention most of his testimony is second hand, things he was told not things he saw. And did he produce any documentary evidence? On its face I’m having a hard time differentiating this hearing from Project Camelot.
I’ve seen some clips of him recounting some personal anecdotes. I didn’t expect any real evidence to come from this. I’m not American so maybe someone can chime in but what exactly is the point of these hearings? There have been a bunch with tech CEOs but other than the speakers boomering the questions, what actions are taken after them?
It’s political theater, a pleasant distraction where Democrats and Republicans can sit on the same committee and pretend that the government is a functional entity. No one on the committee is going to have it used against them in campaign ads, and committee members get paid a per diem for sitting in and asking questions (which is one of the reasons why congressmen want committee assignments so much)
If you needed any more evidence this guy is a grifter, here it is. Can’t discuss alien ships under oath for “security reasons”, but no concerns about blabbing about them to B-tier news media.
Yeah I really appreciated the majors tone, especially when asked why he calls them UAP instead of UFO or whatever. He said it is to keep options open for other explanations, which it could be literally anything. I think if pilots are encountering weird shit in the skies that are cause for alarm then it should be investigated, whether it is stray weather balloons or fourth dimensional alien overlords.
I put it on intending to skim through a few minutes and I watched literally every second. The last time that happened was the Amber Heard v Johnny Depp court case, I just couldn’t look away lol
Just saw a DW news update and the former UAP task orce military intelligence guy ( whistleblower), claims that US Gvment : 1. since 1930; 2 bio /organic material 3. reverse engineering
Also there will be a NASA UAP’s investigation rapport coming out soon, will see how it develops.
But yeah, apart from mathematical probability, interpretation etc about extra terrestial intelligence, everybody is waiting for hard & solid evidence of these claims.
Anything else will just another unsupported claim or " but somebody said" story. And in this age of misinformation & deepfake video’s it won’t do much to sway public opinion.
That said, I’ll keep seeing how this turns out ." The truth is out there", said agent Skully.
I totally believe in a US conspiracy to cover up sightings, the question is whether it’s due to aliens, military secrets or something else entirely. In either case it would be interesting to watch it be unraveled.
Thia is not military spending. The claim and documents provided privately apparently show misappropriate funding for the retrieval and research of this with no oversight. If this is a secret military programme then it’s illegally funded and not complying with Congress notification, it’s a secret programme even from government. The least it is is a cover-up and significant fraud.
I think this is vital. Just because the military has legitimate secrets (weapons technology, strategies) doesn’t mean it can’t also have illegitimate secrets (crimes, waste of money, incompetence, anti-democratic conduct). It would be surprising if an institution as big as the US military didn’t have it’s fair share of both types.
Military secrets have existed since the dawn of civilization when the first savannah tribes kept their spear cache hidden until it was time to attack the neighboring clans. Aliens have never been even kinda confirmed with anything even whispering in the general direction of scientific evidence.
So when something weird/unexpected happens and the military says, “We can’t talk about that”, the logical course of action is to conclude that it’s likely the exact same kind of secret folks like them have been keeping for literal millennia, and not that it’s suddenly the most fundamentally groundbreaking discovery that’s ever taken place on this planet or in our solar system. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and “we saw something we can’t identify” ain’t extraordinary anything.
Incompetence. The fact that the vast majority of these sightings can be attributed to faulty equipment, user error, or mistaking a floating balloon as a UAP is a look the military would prefer not to externalize. There’s genuinely nothing more to it than that. The military has secrets. Nothing new there. But they aren’t flying secret drones over carrier groups in the gulf. They do them at closed off test sites.
This is also a great zero-stakes way for the government to pretend they are listening and actually care about something, because they are all pretty well assured that nothing said here will negativity affect anyone’s reelection campaign.
They don’t know anything, and they know nobody else knows anything. There is nothing to be lost politically by spending time on this. If anything it’s probably a nice break for most of them to focus on something with almost no chance of repercussions.
Did you catch all the snarky remarks the R’s made? I had never heard of any of those people except AOC and I could identify the party of the speaker based on whether they talked shit or not. Mostly just little things like “I don’t trust anyone in this town” referring to DC etc. They go out of their way to say it is bipartisan and not political but can’t resist the urge to trash talk.
The hearing was actually incredible and I encourage everyone to actually watch the whole 2.5 hr recording, and come up with their own opinion after.
It is an incredible moment in time, I can’t stress how big of a deal that members of the government are openly and seriously listening to these people, agreeing with them and believing them, and saying that they too, are tired of being kept in the dark by the rest of the government.
They also agree the negative stigma against the topic should be addressed as well as instating a safe reporting system too.
The entire time the tone was very serious. I seriously challenge anyone to watch it and say their isn’t at least some air of credibility to it, if you’re a skeptic.
These men mention they risked their military careers by reporting all of this info- that’s how serious and important it is.
This shouldn’t be something you just laugh at and dismiss.
I forgot to mention the whole thing was (mostly) bipartisan…. This never fucking happens, Congress can’t even agree on what lunch to order without it turning into dems vs republicans.
Not to mention most of his testimony is second hand, things he was told not things he saw. And did he produce any documentary evidence? On its face I’m having a hard time differentiating this hearing from Project Camelot.
I’ve seen some clips of him recounting some personal anecdotes. I didn’t expect any real evidence to come from this. I’m not American so maybe someone can chime in but what exactly is the point of these hearings? There have been a bunch with tech CEOs but other than the speakers boomering the questions, what actions are taken after them?
It’s political theater, a pleasant distraction where Democrats and Republicans can sit on the same committee and pretend that the government is a functional entity. No one on the committee is going to have it used against them in campaign ads, and committee members get paid a per diem for sitting in and asking questions (which is one of the reasons why congressmen want committee assignments so much)
If you needed any more evidence this guy is a grifter, here it is. Can’t discuss alien ships under oath for “security reasons”, but no concerns about blabbing about them to B-tier news media.
The US government has come out and said that nothing this guy has said in any interview has been subject to classification restrictions.
Which is government speak for “this guy is a lying ass, but saying so outright would just fuel the crazies”.
Yeah I really appreciated the majors tone, especially when asked why he calls them UAP instead of UFO or whatever. He said it is to keep options open for other explanations, which it could be literally anything. I think if pilots are encountering weird shit in the skies that are cause for alarm then it should be investigated, whether it is stray weather balloons or fourth dimensional alien overlords.
I agree people should actually watch the whole 2.5 hr recording and form their own opinion
I put it on intending to skim through a few minutes and I watched literally every second. The last time that happened was the Amber Heard v Johnny Depp court case, I just couldn’t look away lol
The problem is that many peoples’ opinions tend to be ill informed, irrational, and stupid.
Luckily, the best way to become informed is to watch/read more primary sources.
Just saw a DW news update and the former UAP task orce military intelligence guy ( whistleblower), claims that US Gvment : 1. since 1930; 2 bio /organic material 3. reverse engineering
Also there will be a NASA UAP’s investigation rapport coming out soon, will see how it develops.
But yeah, apart from mathematical probability, interpretation etc about extra terrestial intelligence, everybody is waiting for hard & solid evidence of these claims.
Anything else will just another unsupported claim or " but somebody said" story. And in this age of misinformation & deepfake video’s it won’t do much to sway public opinion.
That said, I’ll keep seeing how this turns out ." The truth is out there", said agent Skully.
Believing that somebody had an experience is not the same as believing the attribution of that experience to be aliens.
That’s the proper skeptical position.
I totally believe in a US conspiracy to cover up sightings, the question is whether it’s due to aliens, military secrets or something else entirely. In either case it would be interesting to watch it be unraveled.
The military is expected to have secrets. Having weapons platform research or opfor intel is not a conspiracy.
Also, many things are classified (perhaps needlessly) as a matter of course.
None of this points to aliens over anything more mundane (and I know you’re not necessarily saying that it does.)
Thia is not military spending. The claim and documents provided privately apparently show misappropriate funding for the retrieval and research of this with no oversight. If this is a secret military programme then it’s illegally funded and not complying with Congress notification, it’s a secret programme even from government. The least it is is a cover-up and significant fraud.
I think this is vital. Just because the military has legitimate secrets (weapons technology, strategies) doesn’t mean it can’t also have illegitimate secrets (crimes, waste of money, incompetence, anti-democratic conduct). It would be surprising if an institution as big as the US military didn’t have it’s fair share of both types.
The military misappropriates funds and dodges oversight constantly.
That doesn’t, in any way, point to aliens.
There are far better venues to reign in the military than a credulous hearing on UAPs.
Military secrets have existed since the dawn of civilization when the first savannah tribes kept their spear cache hidden until it was time to attack the neighboring clans. Aliens have never been even kinda confirmed with anything even whispering in the general direction of scientific evidence.
So when something weird/unexpected happens and the military says, “We can’t talk about that”, the logical course of action is to conclude that it’s likely the exact same kind of secret folks like them have been keeping for literal millennia, and not that it’s suddenly the most fundamentally groundbreaking discovery that’s ever taken place on this planet or in our solar system. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and “we saw something we can’t identify” ain’t extraordinary anything.
It’s also telling how aliens suddenly got so much more interested in planet Earth - and America in particular - during the cold war.
Incompetence. The fact that the vast majority of these sightings can be attributed to faulty equipment, user error, or mistaking a floating balloon as a UAP is a look the military would prefer not to externalize. There’s genuinely nothing more to it than that. The military has secrets. Nothing new there. But they aren’t flying secret drones over carrier groups in the gulf. They do them at closed off test sites.
I’d risk my career for government funding too. Since it’s an all or nothing proposition…why not.
This is also a great zero-stakes way for the government to pretend they are listening and actually care about something, because they are all pretty well assured that nothing said here will negativity affect anyone’s reelection campaign.
They don’t know anything, and they know nobody else knows anything. There is nothing to be lost politically by spending time on this. If anything it’s probably a nice break for most of them to focus on something with almost no chance of repercussions.
I have a positive outlook on it but it’s entirely fair to have a negative one.
Did you catch all the snarky remarks the R’s made? I had never heard of any of those people except AOC and I could identify the party of the speaker based on whether they talked shit or not. Mostly just little things like “I don’t trust anyone in this town” referring to DC etc. They go out of their way to say it is bipartisan and not political but can’t resist the urge to trash talk.