With all that he’s putting on the line, David Grusch appears to believe what he’s saying. But is it possible the documents David Grusch came across were fabricated? Would the US government have any incentive to fabricate these records and keep them highly classified?
“Non-human biologics” could mean anything from pollen in the air to aerosolized chimpanzee to Gragnak from the planet Xeltav’s big clawtoe.
Wake me up when we get something more than wishful thinking, conspiracy nonsense, and credulous reports.
I was with it, until I got to this line:
The Pentagon has denied Grusch’s claims of a cover-up.
So… yeah. I thought this was interesting when it was the government finally coming clean, but now that I realize it’s just another disavowed former employee, I’ve cooled on the whole thing significantly.
Yeah… The UFO community is all ablaze with talk of a slow walk disclosure but nothing new has been presented. I’m glad it’s getting attention and hearings even. But let me know when they will let biologists actually analyze the tissue samples they have. Or when they are ready to demonstrate some of the tech they have. Until then it’s just talk.
Talking is extremely important. This is a huge step to what you said, and what you said can’t happen because it’s all classified. There is a very complicated process to declassify material, and it takes time and talk from government. This is monumental to getting to that major next step.
Wishful thinking. Absolutely nothing will come of this.
I am trying to be positive yes lol. We’ll see.
Actually the president can just declassify things by thinking about it
That’s alien tech right there.
For me, the biggest evidence that the gov has nothing, no aliens, no spacecraft, no tech, is that we aren’t seeing it deployed. If they had anything they sure as shit would be using it.
What if the alien tech is a peace ray?
Gay ray
That one backfired.
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Probably just leather seat covers or something.
I’m going to take your request seriously, so bear with me. Grusch isn’t the only whistleblower that recently came forward. He’s just one going through the proper channels.
About two weeks ago, someone with incredible detail claiming to be a molecular biologist wrote the most detailed breakdown of alien biology I’ve ever read on Reddit. I archived the original on kbin here, as there was a lot of odd mod activity around the post (comments deleted, author disappears, etc).
I suggest you take a look. If it’s a LARP, it’s the best I’ve ever read.
We’re dying from climate change, and people are more concerned with ALF.
Dumb distractions, and nothing that has come from these hearings is saying anything we didn’t know. Even the “nom-human biologics” is nothing more than a quote from one person whose opinion on the matter is nothing more than a random anecdote. It’s a joke, but people love this shit
Maybe they’ll help us with our dumb problems lol
“The story aligns with a lot of similar stories that have played out, going back to the 1980s and 1970s, that together allege that the US government has kept an incredible secret, the literal most extraordinary secret that mankind could have, for not just weeks or months, but years and decades, with no meaningful leak or documentary evidence to ever come forward,” Graff previously told the Guardian.
“I think when you look at the government’s ability to keep secret other really important secrets, there’s a lot of reason to doubt the capability of the government to do that.”
That’s it for me. If aliens have visited Earth, and I’m not completely skeptical about that, but if they did I highly doubt the government would have the ability to hide it, let alone a decades long reverse engineering program.
That’s basically my opinion too about this and 9/11 conspiracies. The gov demonstrates their incompetence every chance they get and you want me to believe they successfully implemented a decades long coverup involving presumably hundreds or thousands of people over the years, with no verifiable evidence leaking? And more importantly we don’t see any alien tech implemented in our military or elsewhere.
I want to believe, as mulder would say, but…sorry…wake me when there’s evidence…
The hearing was actually incredible and I encourage everyone to actually watch the whole 2.5 hr recording, and come up with their own opinion after.
It is an incredible moment in time, I can’t stress how big of a deal that members of the government are openly and seriously listening to these people, agreeing with them and believing them, and saying that they too, are tired of being kept in the dark by the rest of the government.
They also agree the negative stigma against the topic should be addressed as well as instating a safe reporting system too.
The entire time the tone was very serious. I seriously challenge anyone to watch it and say their isn’t at least some air of credibility to it, if you’re a skeptic.
These men mention they risked their military careers by reporting all of this info- that’s how serious and important it is.
This shouldn’t be something you just laugh at and dismiss.
I forgot to mention the whole thing was (mostly) bipartisan…. This never fucking happens, Congress can’t even agree on what lunch to order without it turning into dems vs republicans.
I’d risk my career for government funding too. Since it’s an all or nothing proposition…why not.
At times, however, Grusch was less forthcoming under oath than he had been in media interviews.
In the interview with NewsNation in June, Grusch claimed the government had “very large, like a football-field kind of size” alien craft, while he told Le Parisien, a French newspaper, that the US had possession of a “bell-like craft” which Benito Mussolini’s government had recovered in northern Italy in 1933.
On Wednesday, Grusch seemed unwilling to go into details on those claims, citing issues of security. Grusch told the hearing he was prepared to elaborate in private, but his reticence prompted speculation from doubters.
Garrett Graff, a journalist and historian who is writing a book on the government’s hunt for UFOs, tweeted: “Very interesting to me that Dave Grusch is unwilling to state and repeat under oath at the #UFOHearings the most explosive (and outlandish) of his claims from his NewsNation interview. He seems to be very carefully dancing around repeating them.”
Not to mention most of his testimony is second hand, things he was told not things he saw. And did he produce any documentary evidence? On its face I’m having a hard time differentiating this hearing from Project Camelot.
I’ve seen some clips of him recounting some personal anecdotes. I didn’t expect any real evidence to come from this. I’m not American so maybe someone can chime in but what exactly is the point of these hearings? There have been a bunch with tech CEOs but other than the speakers boomering the questions, what actions are taken after them?
It’s political theater, a pleasant distraction where Democrats and Republicans can sit on the same committee and pretend that the government is a functional entity. No one on the committee is going to have it used against them in campaign ads, and committee members get paid a per diem for sitting in and asking questions (which is one of the reasons why congressmen want committee assignments so much)
If you needed any more evidence this guy is a grifter, here it is. Can’t discuss alien ships under oath for “security reasons”, but no concerns about blabbing about them to B-tier news media.
The US government has come out and said that nothing this guy has said in any interview has been subject to classification restrictions.
Which is government speak for “this guy is a lying ass, but saying so outright would just fuel the crazies”.
Believing that somebody had an experience is not the same as believing the attribution of that experience to be aliens.
That’s the proper skeptical position.
I totally believe in a US conspiracy to cover up sightings, the question is whether it’s due to aliens, military secrets or something else entirely. In either case it would be interesting to watch it be unraveled.
Incompetence. The fact that the vast majority of these sightings can be attributed to faulty equipment, user error, or mistaking a floating balloon as a UAP is a look the military would prefer not to externalize. There’s genuinely nothing more to it than that. The military has secrets. Nothing new there. But they aren’t flying secret drones over carrier groups in the gulf. They do them at closed off test sites.
The military is expected to have secrets. Having weapons platform research or opfor intel is not a conspiracy.
Also, many things are classified (perhaps needlessly) as a matter of course.
None of this points to aliens over anything more mundane (and I know you’re not necessarily saying that it does.)
Thia is not military spending. The claim and documents provided privately apparently show misappropriate funding for the retrieval and research of this with no oversight. If this is a secret military programme then it’s illegally funded and not complying with Congress notification, it’s a secret programme even from government. The least it is is a cover-up and significant fraud.
The military misappropriates funds and dodges oversight constantly.
That doesn’t, in any way, point to aliens.
There are far better venues to reign in the military than a credulous hearing on UAPs.
I think this is vital. Just because the military has legitimate secrets (weapons technology, strategies) doesn’t mean it can’t also have illegitimate secrets (crimes, waste of money, incompetence, anti-democratic conduct). It would be surprising if an institution as big as the US military didn’t have it’s fair share of both types.
Military secrets have existed since the dawn of civilization when the first savannah tribes kept their spear cache hidden until it was time to attack the neighboring clans. Aliens have never been even kinda confirmed with anything even whispering in the general direction of scientific evidence.
So when something weird/unexpected happens and the military says, “We can’t talk about that”, the logical course of action is to conclude that it’s likely the exact same kind of secret folks like them have been keeping for literal millennia, and not that it’s suddenly the most fundamentally groundbreaking discovery that’s ever taken place on this planet or in our solar system. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and “we saw something we can’t identify” ain’t extraordinary anything.
It’s also telling how aliens suddenly got so much more interested in planet Earth - and America in particular - during the cold war.
I agree people should actually watch the whole 2.5 hr recording and form their own opinion
The problem is that many peoples’ opinions tend to be ill informed, irrational, and stupid.
Luckily, the best way to become informed is to watch/read more primary sources.
I put it on intending to skim through a few minutes and I watched literally every second. The last time that happened was the Amber Heard v Johnny Depp court case, I just couldn’t look away lol
Yeah I really appreciated the majors tone, especially when asked why he calls them UAP instead of UFO or whatever. He said it is to keep options open for other explanations, which it could be literally anything. I think if pilots are encountering weird shit in the skies that are cause for alarm then it should be investigated, whether it is stray weather balloons or fourth dimensional alien overlords.
Just saw a DW news update and the former UAP task orce military intelligence guy ( whistleblower), claims that US Gvment : 1. since 1930; 2 bio /organic material 3. reverse engineering
Also there will be a NASA UAP’s investigation rapport coming out soon, will see how it develops.
But yeah, apart from mathematical probability, interpretation etc about extra terrestial intelligence, everybody is waiting for hard & solid evidence of these claims.
Anything else will just another unsupported claim or " but somebody said" story. And in this age of misinformation & deepfake video’s it won’t do much to sway public opinion.
That said, I’ll keep seeing how this turns out ." The truth is out there", said agent Skully.
This is also a great zero-stakes way for the government to pretend they are listening and actually care about something, because they are all pretty well assured that nothing said here will negativity affect anyone’s reelection campaign.
They don’t know anything, and they know nobody else knows anything. There is nothing to be lost politically by spending time on this. If anything it’s probably a nice break for most of them to focus on something with almost no chance of repercussions.
Did you catch all the snarky remarks the R’s made? I had never heard of any of those people except AOC and I could identify the party of the speaker based on whether they talked shit or not. Mostly just little things like “I don’t trust anyone in this town” referring to DC etc. They go out of their way to say it is bipartisan and not political but can’t resist the urge to trash talk.
I have a positive outlook on it but it’s entirely fair to have a negative one.
What are they trying to distract us from today?
*gestures vaguely at everything*
That’s how I feel too when I see these things. It’s a smoke and mirror show.
The hottest July on record.
And the reasons behind it.
Uh huh.
My personal theory is extra-terrestrial aliens came to earth - and noped the fuck out of here immediately.
That’s why we don’t see these UFOs anymore
Well, I posted a fun write up here in the comments about why this is cool and what we should really expect from this, ince a lot of people are uncertain about anything going on here being important or even new. Spent like an hour and a half on it, since I’ve been following this topic closely for my own entertainment for a while now. Thanks for apparently losing it in transit, kbin.
What’s new:
The military released videos some years back it claims are of unknown technology, and are doubling down that the videos are real. The most substantial of these are the GIMBAL video from the Nimitz Incident (Fravor’s testimony) and the Mosul orb (which has no attached testimony).
Years after the videos were released, David Grusch and the others are using a new whistleblower hotline that was started very recently. Grusch claims that he’s been waiting in the wings for years for just this opportunity, as he has learned of heinous crimes being committed against the American people.
Matt Gaetz, putting politics cautiously aside, just stated on official record that he directly saw evidence of UAPs that has been hidden by the government. This means people that actually have something to lose are coming forward and making extraordinary claims.
The truth:
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and all whistleblowers involved readily admit they only have hearsay to bring to the table. None of them witnessed any real evidence first-hand in a substantial fashion, they mostly are sharing stories they were told by supposed first-hand witnesses. Grusch claims he knows a number of specific names and places, but he’s not telling the public and has further stated he will lie to the public to protect himself. Nothing else has been confirmed, and all videos and images released to the public are blurry and inconclusive.
What we can hope for:
Let’s see them aliens already.
What we should hope for:
Investigations into the trillions of dollars “lost” by the Pentagon. Some accountability would be fantastic.
What we will probably get:
[REDACTED]
If you just want the dry version of all this, there is of course a wikipedia page for that hearing.
Hearings
Rep. André Carson (D-IN), chairman of the subcommittee, opened the hearing. He raised the concern that UAPs posed a potential threat to national security and should be treated as such, and that the “stigma associated with UAPs has gotten in the way of good intelligence analysis.” He criticized the Pentagon for failing to name a director to head the newly established Airborne Object Identification and Management Synchronization Group and for failing to provide any updates. Carson pledged to "bring the organization out of the shadows.”[6]
The hearings included testimony from Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence and Security Ronald S. Moultrie, the Pentagon’s top intelligence official, and Deputy Director of Naval Intelligence Scott Bray. Bray stated that the number of “frequent and continuing” reported sightings had grown to about 400 since last year’s mandated report.[7][8][9] He cast out the notion that the UFOs had extraterrestrial origins, testifying that no organic/inorganic material or unexplainable wreckage indicated so.[6][10] Bray added that there had been no attempts at communication with the objects, and that despite at least 11 “near-misses”, no collisions between unidentified aircraft and U.S. aircraft had been reported so far.[11][12]
It was revealed that other countries had similar reports on UFOs, and that a number of them communicated with U.S. intelligence agencies, although Moultrie told lawmakers that they did want “potential adversaries to know exactly what we see or understand.”[6] He also mentioned the need for cooperation with the Federal Aviation Administration as well as other government agencies.[9] Moultrie stated that most UFOs could be identified through “rigorous” analysis and investigation, but pointed out a number of incidents that defied explanation, such as a 2004 sighting where aircraft carrier pilots in the Pacific came across a hovering unidentified object that appeared to have rapidly descended tens of thousands of feet.[7][13][14]
Lawmakers were shown declassified images and footage of UFOs, including a video of a UFO observed by a Navy fighter-jet pilot in 2021, a “spherical object” that “quickly passes by the cockpit of the aircraft.” Another video captured triangular objects (speculated to be drones) floating off the coast as seen through night-vision goggles.[6][7][15]
A number of lawmakers, including Rick Crawford (R-AR), expressed concerns about potential Russian or Chinese hypersonic weapons programs.[6][16] He warned that a failure to identify such threats was “tantamount to intelligence failure that we certainly want to avoid”.[16]
The standardization of the civilian reporting process was also discussed, as the majority of reports in the military’s database are from military officers.
The public portion of the hearing, held in the morning and lasting less than 90 minutes, was followed by private classified session in the afternoon.[16][6]
pretty mild for people saying at some point there was hard evidence dropped ufo means extraterrestrials. Sounds more like unidentifiable flying objects encounters report. No green man here.
