Hamas sets up military operations in a civilian building by force - the civilians have no say in this and get killed if they protest
Hamas then uses that building to launch rockets, store ammunition, communication stations
How the fuck should Israel proceed to neutralize those sites? Because what they do is:
“Roof knocking”: Hitting the building’s roof with a small explosive to announce that it will fall in 15 minutes (see video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teevWpXlRZY example from yesterday)
Automatic SMS and phone calls impacted areas warning and urging to evacuate
Precision strikes that make the building fall vertically with minimal damage to the areas
As a result, civilians (and potentially military personnel) are given a chance to evacuate while ammunition stashes, rocket launching stations etc stay in the building and are destroyed.
To be honest, I’m shocked those protocols are still used after Hamas’s attack. I would absolutely not be surprised of these measures stopped.
The anti-Israel don’t care that Israel is bending over backwards to minimize human suffering while fighting a decades long war against people who are deliberately trying to kill their children.
Remember how upset they are when Israel does something 100 percent defensive, like build a security fence to keep out an endless stream of suicide bombers?
This isn’t good-faith criticism.
These people hate Israel for this that they works be applauding other countries for. And we all know why.
Sure… In the same way that cops don’t necessarily have to be racist to be part of a system that is unquestionably racist.
Plenty of people who aren’t anti-Jewish don’t give a second thought to the fact that they spend about 10000% more energy publicly criticizing Israel than they do any of Israel’s neighbors who oppress women horrifically, murder LGBTQ people, and are unabashedly pro-genocide.
They also criticize Israel for civilian collateral damage without acknowledging that Israeli’s steps to minimize those deaths are the most advanced in history, and that they easily outperform even the United States in minimizing casualties during military operations.
So, no… You don’t have to be anti-Jewish to be anti Israel, but when you criticize the only Jewish state for things that you give inarguably worse nations a pass for… Your absolutely feeding into an anti-Jewish system.
Are you serious NOT defending a country that does that? That goes out of their way to destroy terrorist infrastructure while taking extraordinary steps to give civilians time to evacuate, necessarily letting terrorists themselves flee to go kill Israelis again, because that’s what it takes to protect innocent lives?!
My friend, these anti-Israel zealots won’t be happy unless Israel just rolls over and lets Hamas kill Jews without consequence.
The anti-Israel crowd thinkd Israel is the devil of it fights back.
They think Israel is the devil, if, as you mentioned, they call buildings ahead of time, and give people time to evacuate, before Israel bombs terrorist. Headquarters, because I guess they think Palestinian buildings are more important than Israeli lives.
They think Israel is the devil if they build a security fence to keep our suicide bombers.
Mostly they think Israel is the devil because Israel offered the most general peace deal in history, but refuse to give Palestinian’s the Right of Return, which would have allowed Palestinians to claim voting rights, and literally vote to turn Israel into an anti-Jewish theocracy.
Now… Most of the people HERE haven’t the foggiest clue about any of that. And if you talked them through the situation and the options, they’d understand that Israel does not now, nor have they ever had a partner on the Palestinian side with which to make peace. They want Israel gone, full stop. And you can’t make peace with people who believe in literally no situations in which you still exist at the end.
Israel, on the other hand has showed throughout it’s history that it will do extraordinary things for peace. They gave up land for peace with Egypt. They have offered extraordinary concessions.
But the people who really needed to read this downvoted me in the first paragraph and are already typing a rant.
They should cede the land, yes. I don’t care if they keep living there, but they should, you know, stop stealing land and literal homes from the victims of the apartheid they’re benefitting from. You don’t blame a beaten dog for lashing out at the hand that hits it.
Wasn’t Israel literally demolishing the homes of innocent Palestinian families, causing small children to become homeless overnight? Terrorist groups usually form in response to something. Like, I don’t know, an apartheid state killing them if they don’t leave their homes
And now they’re a terrorist group killing innocent people leaving their homes. Israel decided to punish people for being born Palestinian. Hamas has decided to punish people for being born Israeli.
You can’t hate one but support the other. All Hamas has done is make it clear they’re no better, likely worse even.
Israel has demolished a lot of homes, most because they were being used by terrorists to make bombs.
Some for other reasons. We’d have to look at a case by case basis to see what you’re referring to.
If you’re saying that Israel just rolled in to for the purpose of making life miserable, and knocked down a house, I’d be really curious about who is making that claim and what evidence they are citing.
Hamas sets up military operations in a civilian building by force - the civilians have no say in this and get killed if they protest
Hamas then uses that building to launch rockets, store ammunition, communication stations
How the fuck should Israel proceed to neutralize those sites? Because what they do is:
“Roof knocking”: Hitting the building’s roof with a small explosive to announce that it will fall in 15 minutes (see video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teevWpXlRZY example from yesterday)
Automatic SMS and phone calls impacted areas warning and urging to evacuate
Precision strikes that make the building fall vertically with minimal damage to the areas
As a result, civilians (and potentially military personnel) are given a chance to evacuate while ammunition stashes, rocket launching stations etc stay in the building and are destroyed.
To be honest, I’m shocked those protocols are still used after Hamas’s attack. I would absolutely not be surprised of these measures stopped.
It’s war, those are the rules of engagement for war. I’d they didn’t do that out would be considered a war crime. It’s not about what someone’s world view is. Israel definitely created the situation they are in today through their oppression, but that is how you do that. 15 minutes is enough time to evacuate.
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Are you seriously defending a country throwing bombs to civilians just because they « warn »? That’s one of the dumbest take I ever read here.
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Because I defended anyone here? Stop reading what is comforting your shit opinion. Just said that both are terrorists.
You’re the one trying to defend one of the two side. I’m just saying that both are bad.
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Neither side initiate these, its tit for tat going back over 100 years
How the fuck should Israel proceed to neutralize those sites? Because what they do is:
As a result, civilians (and potentially military personnel) are given a chance to evacuate while ammunition stashes, rocket launching stations etc stay in the building and are destroyed.
To be honest, I’m shocked those protocols are still used after Hamas’s attack. I would absolutely not be surprised of these measures stopped.
The anti-Israel don’t care that Israel is bending over backwards to minimize human suffering while fighting a decades long war against people who are deliberately trying to kill their children.
Remember how upset they are when Israel does something 100 percent defensive, like build a security fence to keep out an endless stream of suicide bombers?
This isn’t good-faith criticism.
These people hate Israel for this that they works be applauding other countries for. And we all know why.
People can criticize Israel and not have a problem with Jewish people.
Sure… In the same way that cops don’t necessarily have to be racist to be part of a system that is unquestionably racist.
Plenty of people who aren’t anti-Jewish don’t give a second thought to the fact that they spend about 10000% more energy publicly criticizing Israel than they do any of Israel’s neighbors who oppress women horrifically, murder LGBTQ people, and are unabashedly pro-genocide.
They also criticize Israel for civilian collateral damage without acknowledging that Israeli’s steps to minimize those deaths are the most advanced in history, and that they easily outperform even the United States in minimizing casualties during military operations.
So, no… You don’t have to be anti-Jewish to be anti Israel, but when you criticize the only Jewish state for things that you give inarguably worse nations a pass for… Your absolutely feeding into an anti-Jewish system.
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Are you serious NOT defending a country that does that? That goes out of their way to destroy terrorist infrastructure while taking extraordinary steps to give civilians time to evacuate, necessarily letting terrorists themselves flee to go kill Israelis again, because that’s what it takes to protect innocent lives?!
You’re NOT defending that country?
Why the fuck not. That’s insane.
My friend, these anti-Israel zealots won’t be happy unless Israel just rolls over and lets Hamas kill Jews without consequence.
The anti-Israel crowd thinkd Israel is the devil of it fights back.
They think Israel is the devil, if, as you mentioned, they call buildings ahead of time, and give people time to evacuate, before Israel bombs terrorist. Headquarters, because I guess they think Palestinian buildings are more important than Israeli lives.
They think Israel is the devil if they build a security fence to keep our suicide bombers.
Mostly they think Israel is the devil because Israel offered the most general peace deal in history, but refuse to give Palestinian’s the Right of Return, which would have allowed Palestinians to claim voting rights, and literally vote to turn Israel into an anti-Jewish theocracy.
Now… Most of the people HERE haven’t the foggiest clue about any of that. And if you talked them through the situation and the options, they’d understand that Israel does not now, nor have they ever had a partner on the Palestinian side with which to make peace. They want Israel gone, full stop. And you can’t make peace with people who believe in literally no situations in which you still exist at the end.
Israel, on the other hand has showed throughout it’s history that it will do extraordinary things for peace. They gave up land for peace with Egypt. They have offered extraordinary concessions.
But the people who really needed to read this downvoted me in the first paragraph and are already typing a rant.
ah yes how magnanimous of them to give back Sinai after illegally occupying it for 15 years.
They should cede the land, yes. I don’t care if they keep living there, but they should, you know, stop stealing land and literal homes from the victims of the apartheid they’re benefitting from. You don’t blame a beaten dog for lashing out at the hand that hits it.
I am against the settlements. Dick move.
But I’m against Palestinians blowing up school busses more.
Wasn’t Israel literally demolishing the homes of innocent Palestinian families, causing small children to become homeless overnight? Terrorist groups usually form in response to something. Like, I don’t know, an apartheid state killing them if they don’t leave their homes
And now they’re a terrorist group killing innocent people leaving their homes. Israel decided to punish people for being born Palestinian. Hamas has decided to punish people for being born Israeli.
You can’t hate one but support the other. All Hamas has done is make it clear they’re no better, likely worse even.
Yeah, Israel has murdered Palestinian children, it just doesn’t get publicized as much.
Not condoning Hamas here. This is two shitty groups being shitty to each other and innocent civilians getting caught up in it.
Israel has demolished a lot of homes, most because they were being used by terrorists to make bombs.
Some for other reasons. We’d have to look at a case by case basis to see what you’re referring to.
If you’re saying that Israel just rolled in to for the purpose of making life miserable, and knocked down a house, I’d be really curious about who is making that claim and what evidence they are citing.
You think giving notice makes bombing okay? It’s okay to hurt someone if you’re sending first aids afterwards?
What a sick world view.
Not to mentuon the illegal settlements and suprrssing and harassement of Palestinians daily.
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How the fuck should Israel proceed to neutralize those sites? Because what they do is:
As a result, civilians (and potentially military personnel) are given a chance to evacuate while ammunition stashes, rocket launching stations etc stay in the building and are destroyed.
To be honest, I’m shocked those protocols are still used after Hamas’s attack. I would absolutely not be surprised of these measures stopped.
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You think giving notice DOESN’T make it okay?
Israel has found a way of destroying terrorists headquarters without injuring the civilians that Hamas is using as human shields.
In the history of the WORLD has any country every bent over backwards this much?
And you guys wonder why both Republicans and Democrats overwhelming ignore your criticisms? It’s because your position isn’t a serious one.
It’s war, those are the rules of engagement for war. I’d they didn’t do that out would be considered a war crime. It’s not about what someone’s world view is. Israel definitely created the situation they are in today through their oppression, but that is how you do that. 15 minutes is enough time to evacuate.
I thought those were “shoot before you get shot”. Firing warning shots is being super polite about it. Still sucks for the civilians though.
warning is when you stop people from leaving the area and then cluster bombing them
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lol ok bud