Just as a little reality check for all Hamas “fans” out here which are actually comparing them to Israel. The Hamas is founded on the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, which are a fairytale full of antisemitism and proven, false statements about Jews and how they are responsible for every bad thing that happens during the centuries and their diabolical plot for world domination (of course one of the favorite lecture of the Nazis)
Those idiots are really believing this fairytale and they use it to justify the murder of innocent people and Jews in general. So the next time you step in in defense of the Hamas or when you compare them to Israel, keep in mind that they are doing this because they believe in some antisemitic fairytale written by a crazy Russian back in the old days…they are basically Scientology only more degenerated and more violent.
nothing, just wanted to point out that they did it not intentionally. That’s what can happen when you support a group in another country as a counterweight to their political ideology. It can aid your country or it can bite you in the ass.
As much as the orthodox scholars would like to insist otherwise, Israel is not a theocracy.
Zionism is a fundamentally nationalist project, and early Israel quashed attempts to root the founding of the state in religious zealotry.
You’ll be able to spot this in phenomena like how major Israeli political parties actually represent splinters between different ethnicities of Israeli jews, notably the difference between Ashkenazi Jews and Russian jews.
More starkly, ethiopian jews get treated little better than israeli arabs, who also have their own political party within the knesset.
In a way Israel is actually a microcosm of a larger clash between the western perspective and the perspective of the muslim world. The west keeps trying to fight Islamism with nationalism, and likewise islamists keep trying to fight nationalism with islamism. There can’t be a discussion because the two “sides” of the “debate” aren’t even agreeing on what’s being talked about.
What gets even weirder is how this has caused weird flips in political alignment. Because of MBS’ influence, the more influential secular movements in the Arab world tend to be Dictatorial or even outright Monarchist, while in the west Monarchy and Authoritarian movements are currently heavily associated with christian fundamentalism. Meanwhile the more “democratic” movements are heavily rooted in Islamist politics. Erdogan’s Turkey loves that scene, and has started getting involved in proxy wars to prop up other Turkey style republics headed by islamist parties.
BTW this is why the Muslim Brotherhood was able to win elections in Egypt following the arab spring before the new dictatorship took root. The Muslim Brotherhood seems to be a kind of almost Reaganist/Nixonian party that touts itself as the democratic alternative for frustrated “common sense conservative” folks in the middle east, silent majority rhetoric and all.
Yeah, I agree it’s not entirely a theocracy. It’s actually more driven by supremacy with Zionism (which is a political religious ideology just like Islamism or Hindu Extremism, etc).
This is no religion, this is a “all Jews a bad and should be euthanized” book.
This is far beyond any religion and just degenerated nonsense. I get that you can misinterpret any religion but here you don’t need any interpretation, this book is just evil.
None of them are, god isn’t real. There is no one they are fighting for, just their own ideals they made up to control people. You can’t argue that if Israel could wipe Hamas from the world they wouldn’t do so immediately, no different than the other way. Stop pretending one group of fake deity worshipers is better than another because they killed someone yesterday instead of the week before.
Again the Hamas is not based on a misinterpretation of a religion, they are based on a book that simply want the Jews wiped out. I’m sorry but based on that they are just savages that just want to se the Jews dead because of some conspiracy bullshit.
I would agree on that neither the Israelis or the Palestinians are saints in this conflict and need to get their shit together but the Hamas are just scum with no respect for human life either Israelis nor Palestinians, they basically share the same values as the Nazis regarding the Jewish population and want to wipe them out at the cost of the life of their own people .
In fairness, it’s a lot easier to convince people that whenever you know that group is actually stealing their land.
Obviously anti-Semitism is wrong, but what we see in Israel is not due to their religion, but due to their authoritarian bend n their leadership. Right wing authoritarianism is wrong, regardless of where it is and who does it.
I think Israel is hiding behind anti-Semitism to commit atrocities.
He’s playing a semantic game because Palestinians fall under the description of ‘semite’ despite the fact that, in the basic vernacular, ‘antisemite’ means someone who hates Jews. They know this, you know this, I know this. But they want to play a little game.
I never said they were ‘white nationalists.’ Zionism, by definition, is religious nationalism though. Jews, on average, are whiter than Arabs. It is another example of whites getting their way while browns get fucked.
Hey, how come Egypt and Jordan won’t accept Palestinians settlers?
You tell me.
The actual bigot here might be you homie.
Might want to leave the personal insults at home. They just make your argument look weak.
Just as a little reality check for all Hamas “fans” out here which are actually comparing them to Israel. The Hamas is founded on the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, which are a fairytale full of antisemitism and proven, false statements about Jews and how they are responsible for every bad thing that happens during the centuries and their diabolical plot for world domination (of course one of the favorite lecture of the Nazis)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion
Those idiots are really believing this fairytale and they use it to justify the murder of innocent people and Jews in general. So the next time you step in in defense of the Hamas or when you compare them to Israel, keep in mind that they are doing this because they believe in some antisemitic fairytale written by a crazy Russian back in the old days…they are basically Scientology only more degenerated and more violent.
Israel basically created the monster that is Hamas today because they funded the radical islamists to take away support for the more leftist PLO.
https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/
out of mistake I would say.
So?
nothing, just wanted to point out that they did it not intentionally. That’s what can happen when you support a group in another country as a counterweight to their political ideology. It can aid your country or it can bite you in the ass.
What do you mean so, the Israeli apartheid state took power away from the people they could negotiate with and gave it to barbaric terrorists.
Lay down with dogs wake up with fleas sorta thing
So innocent Israelis deserve to die for what their government did decades ago?
So innocent Palestinians deserve to die for something an extremist faction of their society did? Repeatedly? Threatened with literal extinction?
Not deserve, but they made their bed, now they’re lying in it. This is a tragic but inevitable turn of events.
A rare circumstance where both sides are indeed bad
Killing others, because of some “fairytale” religion or book that justifies dehumanizing the other side? That’s not like Israel? In what way?
As much as the orthodox scholars would like to insist otherwise, Israel is not a theocracy.
Zionism is a fundamentally nationalist project, and early Israel quashed attempts to root the founding of the state in religious zealotry.
You’ll be able to spot this in phenomena like how major Israeli political parties actually represent splinters between different ethnicities of Israeli jews, notably the difference between Ashkenazi Jews and Russian jews.
More starkly, ethiopian jews get treated little better than israeli arabs, who also have their own political party within the knesset.
In a way Israel is actually a microcosm of a larger clash between the western perspective and the perspective of the muslim world. The west keeps trying to fight Islamism with nationalism, and likewise islamists keep trying to fight nationalism with islamism. There can’t be a discussion because the two “sides” of the “debate” aren’t even agreeing on what’s being talked about.
What gets even weirder is how this has caused weird flips in political alignment. Because of MBS’ influence, the more influential secular movements in the Arab world tend to be Dictatorial or even outright Monarchist, while in the west Monarchy and Authoritarian movements are currently heavily associated with christian fundamentalism. Meanwhile the more “democratic” movements are heavily rooted in Islamist politics. Erdogan’s Turkey loves that scene, and has started getting involved in proxy wars to prop up other Turkey style republics headed by islamist parties.
BTW this is why the Muslim Brotherhood was able to win elections in Egypt following the arab spring before the new dictatorship took root. The Muslim Brotherhood seems to be a kind of almost Reaganist/Nixonian party that touts itself as the democratic alternative for frustrated “common sense conservative” folks in the middle east, silent majority rhetoric and all.
Yeah, I agree it’s not entirely a theocracy. It’s actually more driven by supremacy with Zionism (which is a political religious ideology just like Islamism or Hindu Extremism, etc).
https://www.vox.com/world/2018/7/31/17623978/israel-jewish-nation-state-law-bill-explained-apartheid-netanyahu-democracy
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This is no religion, this is a “all Jews a bad and should be euthanized” book. This is far beyond any religion and just degenerated nonsense. I get that you can misinterpret any religion but here you don’t need any interpretation, this book is just evil.
While I’m sure some of them think that, I’d wager the vast majority just want to stop being oppressed by Zionists.
You do know there is a blockade of Gaza, right?
None of them are, god isn’t real. There is no one they are fighting for, just their own ideals they made up to control people. You can’t argue that if Israel could wipe Hamas from the world they wouldn’t do so immediately, no different than the other way. Stop pretending one group of fake deity worshipers is better than another because they killed someone yesterday instead of the week before.
Again the Hamas is not based on a misinterpretation of a religion, they are based on a book that simply want the Jews wiped out. I’m sorry but based on that they are just savages that just want to se the Jews dead because of some conspiracy bullshit.
I would agree on that neither the Israelis or the Palestinians are saints in this conflict and need to get their shit together but the Hamas are just scum with no respect for human life either Israelis nor Palestinians, they basically share the same values as the Nazis regarding the Jewish population and want to wipe them out at the cost of the life of their own people .
In fairness, it’s a lot easier to convince people that whenever you know that group is actually stealing their land.
Obviously anti-Semitism is wrong, but what we see in Israel is not due to their religion, but due to their authoritarian bend n their leadership. Right wing authoritarianism is wrong, regardless of where it is and who does it.
I think Israel is hiding behind anti-Semitism to commit atrocities.
So they are racist against themselves?
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Semite
what?
He’s pretending that he doesn’t know that “antisemitic” is a word that has been used exclusively to mean anti-Jewish for … What 50 years? More?
He’s playing a semantic game because Palestinians fall under the description of ‘semite’ despite the fact that, in the basic vernacular, ‘antisemite’ means someone who hates Jews. They know this, you know this, I know this. But they want to play a little game.
I hate these types of games. I’m an antisemantic.
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Hey, how come Egypt and Jordan won’t accept Palestinians settlers?
Also cute af that you think Israelis are white nationalists. The actual bigot here might be you homie.
I never said they were ‘white nationalists.’ Zionism, by definition, is religious nationalism though. Jews, on average, are whiter than Arabs. It is another example of whites getting their way while browns get fucked.
You tell me.
Might want to leave the personal insults at home. They just make your argument look weak.
Uhh, they werent insulting you, they were cautioning you that your views are pretty clearly warped.
And no, it didn’t make their argument look weak.
Nah, he had to resort to personal insults because he didn’t have a strong argument.
You only say that because you agree with him and you’re biased.
No you just took it personally, ironically making your argument look weak.
Lol, what? A personal insult was taken personally?
My god, the mental gymnastics among ya’ll. You should be olympic gold medalists.
Nope his argument is strong
Cool story bruh