How many westerners dance in the street when our soldiers kill civilians?
Are you too young to remember 2001-2005? Westerners were all open and talking about how we need to nuke the middle east off the planet and how all Muslims need to be rounded up and slaughtered. This wasn’t some small amount of people, this was a huge percentage of the population. Never mind the percentage of Israelis, who before this week and now more than ever probably, thought the same thing regarding Palestinians.
Like what fucking reality are you people living in?
You not holding Westerns, who live in luxury and have all the resources at their disposal, to the same standards of people who often go without water, food, and medical care and feel the need to fight for their freedom from oppressive colonizers is fucked beyond belief. This is you during 1800’s America: “these slaves are revolting and are ‘evil’!!!”
What these people did was “evil” but it’s a fraction of “evil” as to what Israel does to the Palestinian people on the daily and have been doing to them for decades. You refusing to put these actions in context shows you don’t truly care about “evil.” You only care about “evil” when it’s done by someone you don’t like, i.e. Palestinians.
TF are you talking about? Muhammed was rich as fuck while he was slaughtering his “enemies”.
Ask yourself why you are struggling to justify it. Ask yourself why poor palestinians are worshiping a wealthy artistocrat.
stop trying to paste a “class war” onto this struggle. you’re not going to get anywhere with it. Iran backs this shit and they are one of the wealthiest nations in the world. Stop trying to justify terrorism as the actions of “oppressed poor people”. It’s intellectually dishonest and lazy.
You don’t understand Palestine at all. It’s not a fundamentalist Islamic territory like some of their neighbors. Of course there are some in there, but it’s not anything like you see in other Islamic areas. You’re just lumping all Arabs and Muslims in together to fit your ignorant ass Western worldview.
I would love to see you try to argue that christians and jews were not persecuted throughout the entirety of the ottoman empire, within the borders of ancient palestine. Sure, there are always moderates in every society. that’s not what we’re talking about though. and no, im certainly NOT lumping all muslims together.
The Ottoman Empire? I’m sorry, I know better than to try and have a conversation about Israel online, but you have to understand the incidence rate of religious discrimination in the time before WWI.
Hell, more recently than the Ottoman Empire, Jews were evicted all over mainland Europe and Canada and the US (among others) rejected taking these settlers. That wasn’t even the first significant, destructive wave of antisemitism in a continent that subjected Muslims and Jews to pogroms, forced conversion, and treatment as secondary citizens for centuries. This was all obviously very wrong, but most people don’t take it as a reason to think that the majority of Europeans, Canadians, and Americans are just waiting for a chance to be as antisemitic as possible.
What’s happening now is a horror show. What was happening three days ago was also a horror show. That doesn’t justify showing off a woman’s naked corpse, but it’s true.
Muhammed was rich as fuck while he was slaughtering his “enemies”. Ask yourself why you are struggling to justify it. Ask yourself why poor palestinians are worshiping a wealthy artistocrat.
Okay I have probably never seen a more ignorant take regarding Islam.
First: Muhammed was rich in Mecca. Spreading Islam had the direct effect of him losing all that money, and since he went to Medina he was actually poor. Also, more importantly, WTF bruh we don’t worship Muhammed. We believe he’s a prophet, a messenger from Allah. We only worship Allah.
Agree with him or not, but suggesting that Palestinians only worship Mohammed because he was wealthy and therefore they can’t possibly have felt oppressed is the actual intellectual dishonesty here. That’s like saying Christians only worship Jesus because he was a carpenter, and therefore all of them must be experts in woodworking.
You have to ignore so much about the people, their culture, their history, their religion, and what the other person above was actually saying in order to make such a ridiculous reply.
I get that you’re mad at Hamas and want to get the Two Minute Hate in, but you took a detour here to take a swipe at Muslims and all Palestinians here for really stupid reasons.
Are you too young to remember 2001-2005? Westerners were all open and talking about how we need to nuke the middle east off the planet and how all Muslims need to be rounded up and slaughtered.
Were those people your role models, so now you’re trying to emulate their behaviour?
You can’t simultaneously declare what those people did was wrong but when you do worse than that you’re on the side of right. Logic just doesn’t work that way. Either they’re wrong AND you’re wrong or they’re right AND you’re right.
So which is it? Are both you and those people right, or are both you and those people wrong?
Also note there’s a difference between talking shit and actually parading the corpse of an innocent woman through the streets. If you think these are the same thing then you really need to go outside and touch grass.
You missed the part where he’s trying to distract everyone from the horrible actions of these barbarians by bringing up other non related actions done in the past as if that makes the things done today are acceptable?
You’re trying to make this seem like a black and white issue, when it’s not. Comparable logic is like you saying racism against white people is the same exact thing as racism against black people in the US. No, no it’s not. You’re trying to dumb this down into the most surface level shit imaginable. You’re purposely ripping out context to push your anti-Palestinian bias.
Are you too young to remember 2001-2005? Westerners were all open and talking about how we need to nuke the middle east off the planet and how all Muslims need to be rounded up and slaughtered. This wasn’t some small amount of people, this was a huge percentage of the population. Never mind the percentage of Israelis, who before this week and now more than ever probably, thought the same thing regarding Palestinians.
Like what fucking reality are you people living in?
You not holding Westerns, who live in luxury and have all the resources at their disposal, to the same standards of people who often go without water, food, and medical care and feel the need to fight for their freedom from oppressive colonizers is fucked beyond belief. This is you during 1800’s America: “these slaves are revolting and are ‘evil’!!!”
What these people did was “evil” but it’s a fraction of “evil” as to what Israel does to the Palestinian people on the daily and have been doing to them for decades. You refusing to put these actions in context shows you don’t truly care about “evil.” You only care about “evil” when it’s done by someone you don’t like, i.e. Palestinians.
TF are you talking about? Muhammed was rich as fuck while he was slaughtering his “enemies”. Ask yourself why you are struggling to justify it. Ask yourself why poor palestinians are worshiping a wealthy artistocrat. stop trying to paste a “class war” onto this struggle. you’re not going to get anywhere with it. Iran backs this shit and they are one of the wealthiest nations in the world. Stop trying to justify terrorism as the actions of “oppressed poor people”. It’s intellectually dishonest and lazy.
You don’t understand Palestine at all. It’s not a fundamentalist Islamic territory like some of their neighbors. Of course there are some in there, but it’s not anything like you see in other Islamic areas. You’re just lumping all Arabs and Muslims in together to fit your ignorant ass Western worldview.
I would love to see you try to argue that christians and jews were not persecuted throughout the entirety of the ottoman empire, within the borders of ancient palestine. Sure, there are always moderates in every society. that’s not what we’re talking about though. and no, im certainly NOT lumping all muslims together.
The Ottoman Empire? I’m sorry, I know better than to try and have a conversation about Israel online, but you have to understand the incidence rate of religious discrimination in the time before WWI.
Hell, more recently than the Ottoman Empire, Jews were evicted all over mainland Europe and Canada and the US (among others) rejected taking these settlers. That wasn’t even the first significant, destructive wave of antisemitism in a continent that subjected Muslims and Jews to pogroms, forced conversion, and treatment as secondary citizens for centuries. This was all obviously very wrong, but most people don’t take it as a reason to think that the majority of Europeans, Canadians, and Americans are just waiting for a chance to be as antisemitic as possible.
What’s happening now is a horror show. What was happening three days ago was also a horror show. That doesn’t justify showing off a woman’s naked corpse, but it’s true.
Okay I have probably never seen a more ignorant take regarding Islam.
First: Muhammed was rich in Mecca. Spreading Islam had the direct effect of him losing all that money, and since he went to Medina he was actually poor. Also, more importantly, WTF bruh we don’t worship Muhammed. We believe he’s a prophet, a messenger from Allah. We only worship Allah.
Agree with him or not, but suggesting that Palestinians only worship Mohammed because he was wealthy and therefore they can’t possibly have felt oppressed is the actual intellectual dishonesty here. That’s like saying Christians only worship Jesus because he was a carpenter, and therefore all of them must be experts in woodworking.
You have to ignore so much about the people, their culture, their history, their religion, and what the other person above was actually saying in order to make such a ridiculous reply.
I get that you’re mad at Hamas and want to get the Two Minute Hate in, but you took a detour here to take a swipe at Muslims and all Palestinians here for really stupid reasons.
i bet you would take the same swipe at Joseph Smith!
For what purpose? Laughing at the idea of tapirs as horses? Sure. For justifying why Salt Lake City is always going to be plagued by violence? No.
Were those people your role models, so now you’re trying to emulate their behaviour?
You can’t simultaneously declare what those people did was wrong but when you do worse than that you’re on the side of right. Logic just doesn’t work that way. Either they’re wrong AND you’re wrong or they’re right AND you’re right.
So which is it? Are both you and those people right, or are both you and those people wrong?
Also note there’s a difference between talking shit and actually parading the corpse of an innocent woman through the streets. If you think these are the same thing then you really need to go outside and touch grass.
You missed he said they were both wrong?
You missed the part where he’s trying to distract everyone from the horrible actions of these barbarians by bringing up other non related actions done in the past as if that makes the things done today are acceptable?
You’re trying to make this seem like a black and white issue, when it’s not. Comparable logic is like you saying racism against white people is the same exact thing as racism against black people in the US. No, no it’s not. You’re trying to dumb this down into the most surface level shit imaginable. You’re purposely ripping out context to push your anti-Palestinian bias.
We are literally in a thread about people parading the corpse of an innocent woman through the streets as if it’s a trophy.
You’re talking about comparable logic bullshit to rationalize out why some racism is ok or whatever.
Which of us has lost the context?