• enkers@sh.itjust.works
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    11 months ago

    Maybe you need a refresher on what genocide is. Here’s an excerpt from the UN definition:

    Article II of the Genocide Convention contains a narrow definition of the crime of genocide, which includes two main elements:

    1. A mental element: the “intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such”; and
    2. A physical element, which includes the following five acts, enumerated exhaustively:
    • Killing members of the group
    • Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group
    • Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part
    • Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group
    • Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group

    Israel simply intends to kill enough Palestinians to guarantee an ethnic majority in the region. Even if they don’t intended to eliminate every Palestinian, that still constitutes a genocide.

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      11 months ago

      A mental element: the “intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such”;

      Israel never showed intention to do so. So this is off.

      Killing members of the group

      Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group

      Hamas members are necessarily Palestinians, so these are off.

      Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part

      Israel never showed intention to do so. So this is also off.

      Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group

      Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group

      Israel never showed intention to do so. And never forcibly transfered children. So this is also off.

      Hence, your argument of genocide is false.

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        11 months ago

        Intent doesn’t need to be explicit, but in this case it is.

        https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/harsh-israeli-rhetoric-palestinians-central-south-africas-genocide-106471144

        In particular:

        “Deputy Knesset speaker Nissim Vaturi from the ruling Likud party wrote on X, formerly known as Twitter, that Israelis had one common goal, “erasing the Gaza Strip from the face of the earth.” Israeli Heritage Minister Amichay Eliyahu, from the far-right Jewish Power party, suggested that Israel drop a nuclear bomb on Gaza and said there were “no uninvolved civilians” in the territory.”

        Also the list of genocidal acts, as per the UN Genocide Convention, stipulates that any one of those acts is genocide, not that all 5 must be done. Acts 1 to 3 are very clearly being used in Gaza, and with Knesset members establishing intent it’s clearly a genocide, but arguably even without those statements the actions Israel has undertaken still fit the definition.

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          11 months ago

          Thanks for the detailed reply. I agree that the fact that the Israeli government is currently far-right is a problem, and it’s no making the war situation easier.

          Both politicians you quoted, Nissim Vaturi and Eliyahu, are far-right in their vision and views, as a result they say such an extreme sayings.

          However, they don’t have any military influence and cannot have because of their position.

          The ones who do have military power, didn’t show intentions to do so.