Western legacy media is a mouthpiece for Israel.
This is false.
Western legacy media also have news that are not in the light of Israel.
This is false.
Very strictly speaking, I kinda agree. Western legacy media is the mouthpiece of the ultra-wealthy, and supports continued economic colonialism of the Middle East. That currently happens to coincide with Israel’s interests, so functionally they’re hard to tell apart.
However, I think saying they’re actually Israel’s mouthpiece comes dangerously close to some of the legitimately antisemitic deep-state conspiracy theories.
Maybe this is just semantics, but I do think the distinction is somewhat important.
It’s true that they pay lip service to Palestinians from time to time to obfuscate their support for Israel.
Do you have a source for that?
The Palestinian people exist in an awful state where nobody gives a shit for their well-being. Hamas is happy to use civilians as pawns in their attacks and a significant number of Israelis think it’d be awful convenient if all the civilians died while they’re trying to track down Hamas.
I agree that this is an awful situation, and I hope that the war will end soon.
And I hope Israel will end this war soon.
Ftfy, the passive voice is too weaselly.
Unfortunately, I don’t agree with your sentence modification.
Israel philosophy: every civilian, especially children, are military targets that need to be genocide.
Hamas philosophy: every civilian, especially children, are good human shields that we don’t care about.
You see the problem here? This is why this war is so fucked up Both sides are in the wrong.
One side spends billions on weapons and military power used to oppress the other. One side has created an apartheid state that stomps on throats of millions of people. Both sides are not the same.
I didn’t say they are the same. I said they are both in the wrong
Which is still Hamas fault. If you place your military facilities in houses of civilians, refugee camps or even hospitals, these become legit targets. Which is why the term ‘genocide’ is completely missplaced. IF Israel would target civilian houses, that would be a war crime (even though still not a genocide), but since there have been countless proofs of Hamas using them for military purposes, they are legit targets.
So yes, Israel is allowed to bomb a children’s bedroom – because of Hamas.
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Did you forget the part where Israel has been propping up Hamas in attempt to legitimize the Palestinian genocide?
Well no, the Netanyahu administration has been propping up Hamas to keep the Palestinian Authority weak and incapable of resisting illegal settlements. Illegal settlers are a big part of Netanyahu’s base.
There is no Palestinian genocide. If the Israeli government wanted to commit a genocide, they would be doing it a lot more effectively. After all, there are many ethnic Palestinians who are Israeli citizens; if there was a Palestinian genocide, those people would be getting killed, efficiently and systematically. They’re not.
Netanyahu is a traitor to the state of Israel for funding an antisemitic terrorist organization, Hamas.
It is unfortunate that Hamas likes to hide military operations in hospitals, schools, and apartment buildings. There’s a really good reason that international law forbids that sort of thing — because doing that makes hospitals, schools, and apartment buildings legitimate military targets.
Maybe you need a refresher on what genocide is. Here’s an excerpt from the UN definition:
Article II of the Genocide Convention contains a narrow definition of the crime of genocide, which includes two main elements:
- A mental element: the “intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such”; and
- A physical element, which includes the following five acts, enumerated exhaustively:
- Killing members of the group
- Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group
- Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part
- Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group
- Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group
Israel simply intends to kill enough Palestinians to guarantee an ethnic majority in the region. Even if they don’t intended to eliminate every Palestinian, that still constitutes a genocide.
A mental element: the “intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such”;
Israel never showed intention to do so. So this is off.
Killing members of the group
Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group
Hamas members are necessarily Palestinians, so these are off.
Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part
Israel never showed intention to do so. So this is also off.
Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group
Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group
Israel never showed intention to do so. And never forcibly transfered children. So this is also off.
Hence, your argument of genocide is false.
Intent doesn’t need to be explicit, but in this case it is.
In particular:
“Deputy Knesset speaker Nissim Vaturi from the ruling Likud party wrote on X, formerly known as Twitter, that Israelis had one common goal, “erasing the Gaza Strip from the face of the earth.” Israeli Heritage Minister Amichay Eliyahu, from the far-right Jewish Power party, suggested that Israel drop a nuclear bomb on Gaza and said there were “no uninvolved civilians” in the territory.”
Also the list of genocidal acts, as per the UN Genocide Convention, stipulates that any one of those acts is genocide, not that all 5 must be done. Acts 1 to 3 are very clearly being used in Gaza, and with Knesset members establishing intent it’s clearly a genocide, but arguably even without those statements the actions Israel has undertaken still fit the definition.
Thanks for the detailed reply. I agree that the fact that the Israeli government is currently far-right is a problem, and it’s no making the war situation easier.
Both politicians you quoted, Nissim Vaturi and Eliyahu, are far-right in their vision and views, as a result they say such an extreme sayings.
However, they don’t have any military influence and cannot have because of their position.
The ones who do have military power, didn’t show intentions to do so.
There is no Palestinian genocide. If the Israeli government wanted to commit a genocide, they would be doing it a lot more effectively. After all, there are many ethnic Palestinians who are Israeli citizens; if there was a Palestinian genocide, those people would be getting killed, efficiently and systematically. They’re not.
Israel is committing genocide at a rate low enough to avoid too much criticism from their protector states. It’s a long-term strategy that will take decades to complete.
Israel has really upped their genocide game in the past few months and are finally feeling some push back.
Israel is patient, they have no need to hurry the genocide along. The long, slow process is just fine.
Per Hamas 2017 charter, there is no indication about “civil rights” or “civil safety”, so they actually (unfortunately) don’t care.
No, it’s Israel’s fault for stealing land and then committing genocide when those it was stolen from fight back.
Also, what about the hundreds of children Israel has killed every year before the Oct 7 attacks?
stealing land those it was stolen from fight back
Ah the old “land stealing” argument again.
Israel didn’t steal any land from Gaza, so your argument is false.
what about the hundreds of children Israel has killed every year before the Oct 7 attacks
Show proof with source
If you place your military facilities in houses of civilians, refugee camps or even hospitals, these become legit targets
Pretty sure this is bullshit. What is your source?
If Hamas was hiding in an Israeli hospital, would the IDF take the same approach?
Why bomb it though? Why not send troops in to clear these places?
Because they don’t need to.
You do if you care about not killing innocent civilians. Hamas using human shields as a defence doesn’t give Israel a green flag to indiscriminately bomb those locations.
Israel has been shown again and again to be murdering people who should not be targets, like their own damn citizens.
Saying ‘waaa Hamas uses them so it’s okay to murder kids’ is not a fucking argument.
But that’s exactly the argument international law makes. If the opponent uses civilians and civilian structure as a weapon, they are legit targets.
This is a byproduct of Hamas tactic, to disguise themselves as civilians.
If Hamas would care for “their” civilians, they would separate themselve, both visually and physically, from their civilians.
What part of ‘PRESS’ indicates that journalists are okay targets?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67350709 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67946441
Or children; because they cannot be part of Hamas, despite what your ridiculous logic says.
Israel doesn’t separate themselves because they have mandatory service for years after coming of age. Does that mean all Israelis 18 and above are lawful targets?
IDF officially said from the beginning of this war that it can’t guarantee journalists’ safety in Gaza.
Both the links you provided are after the IDF warning.
Or children; because they cannot be part of Hamas, despite what your ridiculous logic says.
Gaza children play war in Hamas summer camp: https://youtube.com/watch?v=9Pw8SO0GOJU
However, I agree with your saying it’s ridiculous.
Does that mean all Israelis 18 and above are lawful targets?
No. But for Hamas (according to the ten of thousands of rockets) the answer is yes.
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IDF officially said from the beginning of this war that it can’t guarantee journalists’ safety in Gaza.
That doesn’t mean anything when they cannot leave, and should not be forced to since they are an integral part of the world.
Gaza children play war in Hamas summer camp: https://youtube.com/watch?v=9Pw8SO0GOJU
How are you blaming children?
No. But for Hamas (according to the ten of thousands of rockets) the answer is yes.
Then your logic is faulty.
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I’m not blaming the children, I’m blaming Hamas for bringing their children to the consequences that they face.
The New York Post has been consistently promoting the ideas of innocent Israeli victimhood and malicious murdering Hamas since the war began. It is not a trustworthy unbiased source of information for this conflict. [It’s also a shitrag paper in general.]
I just had a comment that was critical of Israel removed due to “misinformation.” Is anyone else getting that? Is that a mod decision or something automated?
Their ilk have already infiltrated the moderator teams on lemmy.
I got a comment removed for saying “Zionists don’t argue in good faith” lmao.
It’s so transparent it would be funny if they weren’t getting away with it.
I guarantee you, Zionist propagandists see the support for Palestine on Lemmy and are working overtime to change the narrative.
We have to stop Lemmy turning into Reddit which is infested with mods who are Zionist propagandists.
Maybe we just let people who use lemmy to express thier opinions without trying to be a assimilating Borg and create a damn echo chamber?
This sounds good in theory, but moderation is an important part of keeping online communities, well, communities.
Each online community has a different Overton window, so it’s more a matter of finding a community that has an Overton window you can accept than anything else.
On this issue, lemmy.world is more American and rabidly pro-Israel and lemmy.ml is more international and rabidly pro-Palestine. Reddit might as well be an extremist platform calling for ethnic cleansing of all brown people.
Zionists playbook is to control the narrative . They don’t want people to freely express opinions that undermine their efforts.
If we allow free speech the nazis will inevitably win!
lemmy.world is very Zionist, and lemmy.ml is very anti-Zionist. Pick your poison.
The New York Post is a conservative rag.
“One in every two or three” implies at least a 50% margin of error.
Not sure why we’re taking “Major Y’s” words at face value. Instead of saying “Hamas Philosophy:” it should be titled “Major Y says:”
Nice propaganda piece, though.
50% margin error in this context is insanely high for an officially civilian area.
It should be 0%, which is Israel intention in this war.
That’s directly contrary to the definition of civil.
Israel feels the same way
