Which is still Hamas fault. If you place your military facilities in houses of civilians, refugee camps or even hospitals, these become legit targets. Which is why the term ‘genocide’ is completely missplaced. IF Israel would target civilian houses, that would be a war crime (even though still not a genocide), but since there have been countless proofs of Hamas using them for military purposes, they are legit targets.
So yes, Israel is allowed to bomb a children’s bedroom – because of Hamas.
You do if you care about not killing innocent civilians. Hamas using human shields as a defence doesn’t give Israel a green flag to indiscriminately bomb those locations.
Well no, the Netanyahu administration has been propping up Hamas to keep the Palestinian Authority weak and incapable of resisting illegal settlements. Illegal settlers are a big part of Netanyahu’s base.
There is no Palestinian genocide. If the Israeli government wanted to commit a genocide, they would be doing it a lot more effectively. After all, there are many ethnic Palestinians who are Israeli citizens; if there was a Palestinian genocide, those people would be getting killed, efficiently and systematically. They’re not.
Netanyahu is a traitor to the state of Israel for funding an antisemitic terrorist organization, Hamas.
It is unfortunate that Hamas likes to hide military operations in hospitals, schools, and apartment buildings. There’s a really good reason that international law forbids that sort of thing — because doing that makes hospitals, schools, and apartment buildings legitimate military targets.
There is no Palestinian genocide. If the Israeli government wanted to commit a genocide, they would be doing it a lot more effectively. After all, there are many ethnic Palestinians who are Israeli citizens; if there was a Palestinian genocide, those people would be getting killed, efficiently and systematically. They’re not.
Israel is committing genocide at a rate low enough to avoid too much criticism from their protector states. It’s a long-term strategy that will take decades to complete.
Israel has really upped their genocide game in the past few months and are finally feeling some push back.
Israel is patient, they have no need to hurry the genocide along. The long, slow process is just fine.
Maybe you need a refresher on what genocide is. Here’s an excerpt from the UN definition:
Article II of the Genocide Convention contains a narrow definition of the crime of genocide, which includes two main elements:
A mental element: the “intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such”; and
A physical element, which includes the following five acts, enumerated exhaustively:
Killing members of the group
Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group
Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part
Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group
Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group
Israel simply intends to kill enough Palestinians to guarantee an ethnic majority in the region. Even if they don’t intended to eliminate every Palestinian, that still constitutes a genocide.
“Deputy Knesset speaker Nissim Vaturi from the ruling Likud party wrote on X, formerly known as Twitter, that Israelis had one common goal, “erasing the Gaza Strip from the face of the earth.” Israeli Heritage Minister Amichay Eliyahu, from the far-right Jewish Power party, suggested that Israel drop a nuclear bomb on Gaza and said there were “no uninvolved civilians” in the territory.”
Also the list of genocidal acts, as per the UN Genocide Convention, stipulates that any one of those acts is genocide, not that all 5 must be done. Acts 1 to 3 are very clearly being used in Gaza, and with Knesset members establishing intent it’s clearly a genocide, but arguably even without those statements the actions Israel has undertaken still fit the definition.
Thanks for the detailed reply. I agree that the fact that the Israeli government is currently far-right is a problem, and it’s no making the war situation easier.
Both politicians you quoted, Nissim Vaturi and Eliyahu, are far-right in their vision and views, as a result they say such an extreme sayings.
However, they don’t have any military influence and cannot have because of their position.
The ones who do have military power, didn’t show intentions to do so.
Them being right wing is bad yes, but both politicians form members of the governing coalition, including Likud. One is the deputy Speaker. Israel is not a military dictatorship, the Knesset has control over them, and it’s made clear with the numerous expressions like this that the ruling parties have a genocidal intent.
In addition, Law for Palestine has compiled lists of what they believe to be evidence of genocidal intent, including from military leaders. Some of the statements included are a stretch, but it will undoubtedly be enlightening for you to read through it.
Or children; because they cannot be part of Hamas, despite what your ridiculous logic says.
Israel doesn’t separate themselves because they have mandatory service for years after coming of age. Does that mean all Israelis 18 and above are lawful targets?
They might try to take out the hostage taker even if it meant a risk to the hostages, especially so if they were shooting civilians from behind said hostages.
This is Hamas hiding behind Palestinian children and civilians while shooting at Israelis. Some of them are going to get hurt until the threat is neutralized.
Which is still Hamas fault. If you place your military facilities in houses of civilians, refugee camps or even hospitals, these become legit targets. Which is why the term ‘genocide’ is completely missplaced. IF Israel would target civilian houses, that would be a war crime (even though still not a genocide), but since there have been countless proofs of Hamas using them for military purposes, they are legit targets.
So yes, Israel is allowed to bomb a children’s bedroom – because of Hamas.
Why bomb it though? Why not send troops in to clear these places?
Because they don’t need to.
You do if you care about not killing innocent civilians. Hamas using human shields as a defence doesn’t give Israel a green flag to indiscriminately bomb those locations.
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Did you forget the part where Israel has been propping up Hamas in attempt to legitimize the Palestinian genocide?
Well no, the Netanyahu administration has been propping up Hamas to keep the Palestinian Authority weak and incapable of resisting illegal settlements. Illegal settlers are a big part of Netanyahu’s base.
There is no Palestinian genocide. If the Israeli government wanted to commit a genocide, they would be doing it a lot more effectively. After all, there are many ethnic Palestinians who are Israeli citizens; if there was a Palestinian genocide, those people would be getting killed, efficiently and systematically. They’re not.
Netanyahu is a traitor to the state of Israel for funding an antisemitic terrorist organization, Hamas.
It is unfortunate that Hamas likes to hide military operations in hospitals, schools, and apartment buildings. There’s a really good reason that international law forbids that sort of thing — because doing that makes hospitals, schools, and apartment buildings legitimate military targets.
Per Hamas 2017 charter, there is no indication about “civil rights” or “civil safety”, so they actually (unfortunately) don’t care.
Israel is committing genocide at a rate low enough to avoid too much criticism from their protector states. It’s a long-term strategy that will take decades to complete.
Israel has really upped their genocide game in the past few months and are finally feeling some push back.
Israel is patient, they have no need to hurry the genocide along. The long, slow process is just fine.
Maybe you need a refresher on what genocide is. Here’s an excerpt from the UN definition:
Israel simply intends to kill enough Palestinians to guarantee an ethnic majority in the region. Even if they don’t intended to eliminate every Palestinian, that still constitutes a genocide.
Israel never showed intention to do so. So this is off.
Hamas members are necessarily Palestinians, so these are off.
Israel never showed intention to do so. So this is also off.
Israel never showed intention to do so. And never forcibly transfered children. So this is also off.
Hence, your argument of genocide is false.
Intent doesn’t need to be explicit, but in this case it is.
https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/harsh-israeli-rhetoric-palestinians-central-south-africas-genocide-106471144
In particular:
“Deputy Knesset speaker Nissim Vaturi from the ruling Likud party wrote on X, formerly known as Twitter, that Israelis had one common goal, “erasing the Gaza Strip from the face of the earth.” Israeli Heritage Minister Amichay Eliyahu, from the far-right Jewish Power party, suggested that Israel drop a nuclear bomb on Gaza and said there were “no uninvolved civilians” in the territory.”
Also the list of genocidal acts, as per the UN Genocide Convention, stipulates that any one of those acts is genocide, not that all 5 must be done. Acts 1 to 3 are very clearly being used in Gaza, and with Knesset members establishing intent it’s clearly a genocide, but arguably even without those statements the actions Israel has undertaken still fit the definition.
Thanks for the detailed reply. I agree that the fact that the Israeli government is currently far-right is a problem, and it’s no making the war situation easier.
Both politicians you quoted, Nissim Vaturi and Eliyahu, are far-right in their vision and views, as a result they say such an extreme sayings.
However, they don’t have any military influence and cannot have because of their position.
The ones who do have military power, didn’t show intentions to do so.
Them being right wing is bad yes, but both politicians form members of the governing coalition, including Likud. One is the deputy Speaker. Israel is not a military dictatorship, the Knesset has control over them, and it’s made clear with the numerous expressions like this that the ruling parties have a genocidal intent.
In addition, Law for Palestine has compiled lists of what they believe to be evidence of genocidal intent, including from military leaders. Some of the statements included are a stretch, but it will undoubtedly be enlightening for you to read through it.
https://law4palestine.org/law-for-palestine-releases-database-with-500-instances-of-israeli-incitement-to-genocide-continuously-updated/
Israel has been shown again and again to be murdering people who should not be targets, like their own damn citizens.
Saying ‘waaa Hamas uses them so it’s okay to murder kids’ is not a fucking argument.
This is a byproduct of Hamas tactic, to disguise themselves as civilians.
If Hamas would care for “their” civilians, they would separate themselve, both visually and physically, from their civilians.
What part of ‘PRESS’ indicates that journalists are okay targets?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67350709 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67946441
Or children; because they cannot be part of Hamas, despite what your ridiculous logic says.
Israel doesn’t separate themselves because they have mandatory service for years after coming of age. Does that mean all Israelis 18 and above are lawful targets?
IDF officially said from the beginning of this war that it can’t guarantee journalists’ safety in Gaza.
Both the links you provided are after the IDF warning.
Source: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-military-says-it-cant-guarantee-journalists-safety-gaza-2023-10-27/
Gaza children play war in Hamas summer camp: https://youtube.com/watch?v=9Pw8SO0GOJU
However, I agree with your saying it’s ridiculous.
No. But for Hamas (according to the ten of thousands of rockets) the answer is yes.
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That doesn’t mean anything when they cannot leave, and should not be forced to since they are an integral part of the world.
How are you blaming children?
Then your logic is faulty.
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I’m not blaming the children, I’m blaming Hamas for bringing their children to the consequences that they face.
Why in hostage situations do the police just not murder all the hostages?
Right, because that’d be fucking nuts.
I didn’t get it
They might try to take out the hostage taker even if it meant a risk to the hostages, especially so if they were shooting civilians from behind said hostages.
This is Hamas hiding behind Palestinian children and civilians while shooting at Israelis. Some of them are going to get hurt until the threat is neutralized.
But that’s exactly the argument international law makes. If the opponent uses civilians and civilian structure as a weapon, they are legit targets.
No, it’s Israel’s fault for stealing land and then committing genocide when those it was stolen from fight back.
Also, what about the hundreds of children Israel has killed every year before the Oct 7 attacks?
Ah the old “land stealing” argument again.
Israel didn’t steal any land from Gaza, so your argument is false.
Show proof with source
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba
Pretty sure this is bullshit. What is your source?
If Hamas was hiding in an Israeli hospital, would the IDF take the same approach?