Jews went there on their own. In no small part from predominantly muslim countries where they faced systemic discrimination and, often, persecution.
Those from the Ottoman empire who didn’t were largely genocided by their muslim neighbours to ‘punish’ them for the creation of Israel, which should give you clue that your idea that “different religions didn’t have much beef” is complete bs.
Not to say the zionist jews aren’t among the worst people as well, of course
To displace the native population. That’s a war crime.
In no small part from predominantly muslim countries where they faced systemic discrimination and, often, persecution.
Not genocide, though. Unlike what’s happening to Palestinians now which is another coordinated effort to get rid of them. The civilians are systematically attacked and pushed towards Egypt for that reason.
‘punish’ them for the creation of Israel, which should give you clue that your idea that “different religions didn’t have much beef” is complete bs.
When I write that “different religions didn’t have much beef” before the creation of Israel by religious fanatics, any action that happens afterwards is no counter argument to that.
Yeah, I think this idea comes from not really knowing much history then.
As long as there are different religions, there’s been religious beef.
Jews living as minorities in predominantly islamic countries have experienced this by various degrees. Islamic law demands that they always be treated as second class citizens and, to no surprise, they have. And in certain periods in certain places, this was spiced up with some forced conversion or genocide.
Read up on this for a nice example. It’s like claiming black African slaves had a nice life in the US until some troublemakers started demanding equal rights.
The mass migration towards Palestine and zionist efforts to create a majority jewish state there aren’t a pinnacle of humanity, but it’s important to know where it comes from
As an atheist I’m far from being an Islam defender but a special tax for “book religions” other than Islam and bans on certain jobs isn’t genocide and really not an excuse to displace or even murder a Muslim population who wasn’t even the ruling class that made those laws in the first place.
Islam isn’t treating Judaism and Christianity the way it would treat polytheists like Hindus. Now that’s a whole other can of worms but Palestinian genocide is inexcusable no matter how much anyone tries to justify it belittle it.
What about legally being allowed to genocide jews because one was rumoured to have struck a muslim woman?
That’s a bullshit lie. There was no Jewish genocide “because one was rumoured to have struck a muslim woman”. Either you don’t know what a genocide is and actively decide to stay uninformed or you’re spreading propaganda. The only Jewish genocide happened in Europe at the hands of Nazis. Scattered instances of violent crimes are abhorrent but not genocide. Equating both borders on Holocaust denial because it belittles actual genocide.
You’re conflating and misrepresenting two of the examples I gave. I wonder why.
I gave you the link these examples come from five posts up. If you can’t be bothered to spend five minutes reading that, why are you so invested in this conflict (and discussion)?
Here’s a bonus one to quench your thirst for whataboutism, from the same article:
He compelled them to wear distinguishing garments, with a very noticeable yellow cloth for a head-covering; from that time forward the clothing of the Jews formed an important subject in the legal regulations concerning them.
Jews went there on their own. In no small part from predominantly muslim countries where they faced systemic discrimination and, often, persecution.
Those from the Ottoman empire who didn’t were largely genocided by their muslim neighbours to ‘punish’ them for the creation of Israel, which should give you clue that your idea that “different religions didn’t have much beef” is complete bs.
Not to say the zionist jews aren’t among the worst people as well, of course
To displace the native population. That’s a war crime.
Not genocide, though. Unlike what’s happening to Palestinians now which is another coordinated effort to get rid of them. The civilians are systematically attacked and pushed towards Egypt for that reason.
When I write that “different religions didn’t have much beef” before the creation of Israel by religious fanatics, any action that happens afterwards is no counter argument to that.
Yeah, I think this idea comes from not really knowing much history then.
As long as there are different religions, there’s been religious beef.
Jews living as minorities in predominantly islamic countries have experienced this by various degrees. Islamic law demands that they always be treated as second class citizens and, to no surprise, they have. And in certain periods in certain places, this was spiced up with some forced conversion or genocide.
Read up on this for a nice example. It’s like claiming black African slaves had a nice life in the US until some troublemakers started demanding equal rights.
The mass migration towards Palestine and zionist efforts to create a majority jewish state there aren’t a pinnacle of humanity, but it’s important to know where it comes from
As an atheist I’m far from being an Islam defender but a special tax for “book religions” other than Islam and bans on certain jobs isn’t genocide and really not an excuse to displace or even murder a Muslim population who wasn’t even the ruling class that made those laws in the first place.
Islam isn’t treating Judaism and Christianity the way it would treat polytheists like Hindus. Now that’s a whole other can of worms but Palestinian genocide is inexcusable no matter how much anyone tries to justify it belittle it.
If you don’t see having to choose between conversion or death, with hundreds of thousands killed, as genocide, what would you call it?
What about being killed in the street for wearing shoes as a jew?
What about legally being allowed to genocide jews because one was rumoured to have struck a muslim woman?
That’s a strange idea of religions living peacefully together
That’s a bullshit lie. There was no Jewish genocide “because one was rumoured to have struck a muslim woman”. Either you don’t know what a genocide is and actively decide to stay uninformed or you’re spreading propaganda. The only Jewish genocide happened in Europe at the hands of Nazis. Scattered instances of violent crimes are abhorrent but not genocide. Equating both borders on Holocaust denial because it belittles actual genocide.
PS: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
So you think historians are lying about what happened under, for instance, the Almohads?
It’s about your bs claim that jews were generally having a great time living under islamic regimes
Ironically you pointing towards the nazis is the whataboutism here
[citation needed] specifically for a genocide after a single case of domestic violence.
You’re conflating and misrepresenting two of the examples I gave. I wonder why.
I gave you the link these examples come from five posts up. If you can’t be bothered to spend five minutes reading that, why are you so invested in this conflict (and discussion)?
Here’s a bonus one to quench your thirst for whataboutism, from the same article: