Seems like they are under attack again, will those people never stop? I feel sorry for the admin team.
It’s been this way for weeks, actually. I haven’t seen a graph of the uptime, but I’m sure one would look extremely ugly, based on my own user experience.
This right here is an alt, and despite the fact that I don’t prefer to comment from it, since I won’t necessarily check in soon to see replies, it’s seeing some heavy use.
The attacks a few weeks ago weren’t a one-off, they never stopped. It seems down maybe half the time or so?
One of the many ways we (all of Lemmy) are not quite ready for the mainstream yet, we still have basic technical/security issues to resolve. Soon, though.
96.4 uptime
Isn’t it 88 based on their own status page? https://lemmy-status.org/endpoints/_lemmy-world
The last 7 days yeah. I was looking here https://lemmy-world.statuspage.io/
96.3 now.
If either of those figures is actually accurate from an end-user standpoint, then the entire downtime must be coming during my primary periods of usage.
As you’re probably based in Canada, that might be it. I’m in Europe and usually their downtime happens during our nights
Both are quite high (ex. 88% is 43 days a year, ~3hrs daily rounded up)
88% on weekly basis https://lemmy-status.org/endpoints/_lemmy-world
Why are people attacking a msg board?
Because there’s a very small chance one of the message board users might click on a link and get scammed for money?
Not sure if people dumb enough to click mystery links and hand Nigerian princes bit coin use these boards, but gl i guess lol
Never underestimate stupidity. You’ll always be surprised.
If you spam 1000 links, and 2% of people are really dumb, that’s 20 suckers to steal from.
That pond always has fish in it!
Those guys can’t catch a break. By whom or why are they getting attacked anyway?
I saw a comment that mentioned there was a user that was creating tons of communities and squatting on them. That user was called out and banned and they might be behind it. But its all rumours. Does anyone have more details on this rumour?
This single post :
https://lemmy.world/post/2874044
https://lemmy.ca/post/2904207
…has a comment from an hexbear user who thinks this is very funny. (hidden from here because we defederated them)Man hexbear is such a shit show. When chapotraphouse was a sub I was on there near 24/7 for like 2 years, and it was the best online experience I’ve ever had. Then they migrated over to hexbear and it’s like only the worst, most self righteous people from the community moved over. I’m literally the most left person I personally know by a wide margin, and I got called a reactionary and told to kill myself and then a mod agreed with them and banned me for a week over a blatantly pro trans comment that apparently wasn’t pro trans in the right way. Like it literally said “trans people should be able to do whatever the fuck they want with their body, I don’t care, it doesn’t effect me” and like 5 people were like “you ‘don’t care’ about trans people? Do the world a favor and fucking kill yourself, you’re literally butchering trans comrades with your comment”
It literally kills me when people say literally when they mean figuratively.
Multiple dictionaries define literally as figuratively, language changes
Like it literally said “trans people should be able to do whatever the fuck they want with their body, I don’t care, it doesn’t effect me” and like 5 people were like “you ‘don’t care’ about trans people?
This is why I keep quiet on issues like that, someone will always say you are wrong for not having their exact opinion and wording. Had a similar thing when I said a 5 year old boy can wear a dress without being a girl, just let them do what they want.
A lot of it is contextual.
Sometimes, it’s based on larger patterns of subtle behaviors that wouldn’t be indicative of a problem on their own.
Sometimes, people are doing harmful things by accident because they grew up in a culture where those shitty things are normalized.
Sometimes, people are doing things which would not be harmful on their own, but are associated with negative experiences that are only common for the minority group.
Sometimes, people who have a long history of being timid have gotten fed up with putting themselves down for others’ comfort, so their pendulum swings the other way and we only see the tail end of that.
And yeah, sometimes it’s someone who’s immature or aggressive for unrelated reasons and isn’t thinking super hard about what they’re doing beyond finding a weakness and attacking it. Social media design makes this worse. I think situations where that’s all it is are less common than we think, though.
There’s also often ingroup/outgroup dynamics at play. And what makes it worse is that people who exist outside of the grey area of acceptable behavior, people who are just genuinely cruel, will do something cruel and then retreat and act like they belong in the grey area. They learn the ways that they act when people are genuinely uninformed or confused or curious and they copy them, all the while refusing to back down from the shitty thing they did. It’s kind of a charade put on for onlookers to make the victim look like the aggressor.
For the specific issue you mentioned, the good faith interpretation is that, yes, boys can wear dresses. If that’s the end of it, that’s fine. But “wearing a dress doesn’t make you a girl” is also a common phrase used both by malicious transphobes and by misguided loved ones trying to talk their kids out of being trans. There are many reasons that discussions like these are so hard to get the phrasing’s right on is that we don’t have established social norms to make them easy. The established social norms, in fact, make them actively more difficult. And people are doing gender exploration in a matter of months that would have been spread out over years of their childhood if they’d been allowed to do so. It’s just a lot.
I genuinely hear your frustration. I hope you hear mine. Learning all of this has been a painful process and I hope we can see it get easier in the near future.
That isn’t literally what the person said, though. The modlog and profile on hexbear does show that they did also argue to post less about trans support, argued for people showing less support and did not accept when other, trans!, people explained their view and why he ought to chill out at least. So there was a repeated violation of server rules in a short span of time (and fawx did leave the server).
The ban in the mod log is also for 1 day, not eternal (all of us are human and sometimes we are on rolls we wouldn’t continue after a good round of sleep). Don’t trust random people when it aligns with your bias.
@GhostOfHoxha@lemmy.ml did give already a critique on your comment in content.
I’m literally the most left person I personally know by a wide margin
So you don’t count people you know online, you also don’t go to organizing union meetings, are not part of collectives and not part of a real left party (thus are likely an individualist, moralist, idealist liberal who will often - since there is little self critique and reflection - for example having thought how you could integrate parts of being anti racist in your life within a group). Of course you might be called a reactionary in some cases. Feel free to link to them, post those opinions in the un-safe space we got here as quote and people can do reflect on that. Taking your quote (which likely ignores context to present yourself in a better light) I have to say that:
trans people should be able to do whatever the fuck they want" (good) "***********************” (bad)
Yeah that is reactionary. You were rightfully banned as you broke server rules. There were enough campaigns i.e. “Read Trans Liberation!” for you to educate yourself. You didn’t. You are not the victim here.
To break it down: You went into a space of solidarity and then climbed on a chair and yelled “I don’t care about [group you are supposed to be having a minimum degree of solidarity with]”. Everyone is able to understand that this is even if it is your uncle’s birth date and you would yell that you don’t care about your uncle it is a social faux pas. However what you did is much worse.
The website’s slogan at that point even was “We love our trans comrades!”Besides:
and told to k**l m***lf and then a mod agreed with them
X: [Doubt]
You already showed yourself to be an unreliable narrator, no reason to believe such an extraordinary claim.
Edit Wonder who downvotes this post
Edit2:
CW in effect transphobia commited in a save space, with multiple repeating posts and comments and an unwillingness to see the perspectives of others, this is the context of what OP did post:
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Is the constantly talking about being trans in leftist spaces not also fueling the over focus on trans people? removed by mod posted by fawx [he/him] to askchapo •
So no one thinks I’m a troll, I completely support trans people doing whatever the fuck they want with their bodies. And I don’t mind seeing trans stuff. But with that said, I feel like the hundreds and hundreds of posts I see about trans people is not helping. Going off like this site and a few others I browse you’d think trans people are like 40% of people instead of more like 2%.
I feel like constantly putting them in the spotlight, even to say you support them is just contributing to this “trans awareness burnout” I hear about in a lot of my non-leftist conversations.
I heard things similar to that within the spoiler during the 80s when I did attend gay meetups, protests and LGBTQ* representation in media became slightly more common (while what we did was still criminal in many places). Turns out I wasn’t gay btw. I was bi (and that includes trans people as bi is defined as having attraction to more than one owns gender) and still am, but was, too. However the gay spaces were the spaces which enabled me to be myself and not the eternal cycle of “this is too much progress for the [women/black people/jews/italians/gays/insert minority/marginalized group of your choice]! they would progress more if they would be silent and try to pass as cis white evangelical hetero who eat meat and drink beer in unhappy marriages!”
fawx has the capacity to change and act different, as well as to not slander thousands of users with re-tellings of stuff that didn’t happen like that and which minimizes their actions (which is understandable human, but it remains wrong. I do understand the emotional feeling of giving somebody a wipe as fawx did try to do with depicting hexbear as bad for excluding him for no reason - and the willing audience of people taking that for a fact instead of doing their due dilligence). Still the burden is on fawx to read, speak, listen and not primarily center themselves. If they are actually in the union they have enough ways to grow (attending IWW and other fighting unions organizing meetups and summer schools for example).
I’m literally the union representative for my job, and most of your other assumptions are also wrong. You’re also doing an uncharitable reading of my post. I don’t care about trans people means “I am not bothered by them” like I don’t care whether we have hotdogs or hamburgers.
You’re the kinda person that ruined that instance.
Essentially blaming people expressing support for trans people for the right wing culture war focus on trans people is definitely a bit more than just saying you’re fine with trans people doing what they want. Stop being so dishonest about what people were pissed at you for. You know it wasn’t a “blatantly pro trans comment”
Yeah, but it was and you’re wrong.
This is the post that he got banned for. He basically barged into the space asking to tone it down with the trans support.
Just to add to the context, here are some of the now removed comments from the log
Man, I’m happy I’m not the only one who feels like this. I had such a good time in the chapotraphouse sub and never forgave reddit for banning it. None of the offspring from there could really capture what made this sub special, the hexbear thing certainly can’t.
Would be pretty sick if they effected us. Like a trans person comes around the corner and suddenly fireworks go off and glowsticks get handed out
I’ll be sure to start doing that.
I mean if you’re uu hang aorund at a pride parade these are very really things that might happen.
You’re saying hexbear users are responsible?
We sustained an attack right after their defederation, I have no proof now, maybe time will tell.
Hexbear was also experiencing traffic which would fit DDoS, do you suggest that dot world did DDoS Hexbear, too?
Who poisoned the well? Its the witches fault!
I don’t talk with unfunny liars.
do you suggest that (…)lol !
~I really hope world can stay alive, they are in danger of completely undoing all of the work lemmy has done to get users. if they take world offline, that will create FUD that proves no point and gets people off lemmy saying “wow, I have nothing to show for my time, im going back to a stable site, maybe Reddit is the only safe place for content.”~
Gotta love a good baseless claim.
Not a claim, an hypotesis.
Could also be wrongful intervention from Reddit interests. Could be both and some more.
“Gotta love” the scientific method !First we had redditors calling Lemmy a communist plot. Now we have the biggest instance run by paranoids seeing commie plots everywhere.
My suggestion: stop using lemmydotworld, spread the load, stop being a clown.
That is now how any of that works.
post hoc ergo propter hoc
You can be wrong, it doesn’t destroy your self. You don’t have to fear it.
That is now how any of that works.
You mean to say :
That is not how any of that works.
It could have been beehaw? I mean, I have exactly the same amount of proofthat you have.
thats not communism, thats red painted bullshit. please DO ~defederate from whatever the hell that is.~ remove trolls using false flags.
my idiot self's old comment
within these people are a sort of poison, one that entrenches them in their symbols and attack others with pride, like an idiot. the (alt? and regular?) right uses these losers and their corrupted ideas and flag clutching as ammunition (for example, against Trans folk).Edit: I was using a hammer when i nedded a scalpel. Generally dont like my rant written in anger. To be clear, Waving a communist or trans flag and then being a narcisist in public. It is either a false flag or an idiot. Result is a useful addition to a news media’s hyperreality.Edit: i am REALLY unhappy with this comment, i fail by leaving whats implied unsaid. A natural observer given a big name like CNN saying things is always at risk of treeting the whole movement like a tom and jarry cartoon. Antifa usually gets a bad reputation, is it warrented? I dont know because the news is designed to let you make short and usually wrong assumptions. One commenter was right, you fight the news by looking out the window and seeing the negbors arent loonitics and in fact rather lovely.Edit: i am still REALLY unhappy with this comment, also spelling I cant really speak on these issues as I need guidance more than answers. I have been told to not worry about the propaganda machine (my old and current psychological trap) and to rather be free of it and to free others by showing them a better place. I was merely dragging people into the machine I sought to destroy. for this I am sorry.
the (alt? and regular?) right uses these losers and their corrupted ideas and flag clutching as ammunition (for example, against Trans folk).
The local org that helps connect trans people with resources like housing and medical care is mostly made up of and run by ML’s. The idea that fascists would be kinder to trans people if ML’s stopped existing is ahistorical nonsense.
I retract my old comment and want to fix it, im unhappy with it
The good old: “Actually people supporting trans are doing the right a service!”
Pity that hexbear is a bastion of trans posters, which means you are effectively saying: “Trans people are (used by) right wing people as ammunition!” which is right, but right wingers do weaponize everything. There is no way to behave nice enough to complacence them.
I have yet to find a post in your profile in which you do write public support for our trans comrades 🏳️⚧️. I doubt you will, but even if you do it it will remain performative unless you repeat it online, amplify trans voices and start to support your LGBTQ community in your meat space. However since you have no positive comment in the last month it is clear that you are objectively not supporting trans rights, since your only mention is how a group you disagree with - which itself does support trans rights - is hurting trans folk. to the audience Raise your hands if that does sound transphobe to you.
The X are poison is a very common fascist talking point that is actually a verbatim quote of not only that, but Nazi propaganda.
I retract my old comment and want to fix it, im unhappy with it. I am sorry
Understandable since one is a government funded :fedbposting: psyop running on servers in the basement of the FBI building. The other is Reddit.
Ayyyyyyy.
Was the joke. If you take that as proof that that user and hexbear as aggregate are responsible you might need to breath a bit and do learn to be more critical of media. People making jokes about you(r misfortune) aren’t always out to get you.
dot world having a harder time with de federating Fascist propaganda (exploding heads and alike, while keeping their users) than with pre emptively doing a US centric Red scare and McCarthyism is quite funny and something the intelligence agencies of the US had in their hand books for over half a century. It is also often the action of liberals who think civility is more important that positive justice.
However lets say a piece or two about @A_A@lemmy.world, they are close to conspiracy thought sometimes.
Join “Lemmy.world” ; here you can create your own communities 🙂
Respect and thanks to the creators of lemmy-software, pretty sure they have friends (states) with big pockets 😆 !
Yeah, cause FOSS means evil communist governments secretly funding open source software.
They also regularly lie and misconstrue what people say.
All in all the user is a good example how liberal moderation policy (or the lack of them) leads to gray and black propaganda and spheres that are not emancipatory.
This is for fun you should know. “friend state” hypotesis is a bit farfetch but :
if it was false we wouldn’t know either.
if it was true (maybe) it would be a global positive contribution from (Russia? China?). Also please notice the comment_link you provided (to one of my comments?) does not work at the moment because of a problem with lemmy.world servers.I don’t talk with unfunny liars.
I’m very happy so. Feel free to never comment again about what I say.
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VOAT had a reputation of being for the reddit rejected users. The worst of the worst of #conservative.
It was not a pleasant place to lurk.
Ya, I’d been looking for a decent alternative forever. Tried to scratch the itch there but man it was bad. Just infested with neonazi pedos to the nth degree.
then it got DDoSed and spammed with CP until everyone forgot about it?
You sure that’s not because it first gained popularity after Reddit banned the jailbait sub?
Probably by some ground against the Fediverse or lemmy specifically.
Probably by some group against the Fediverse or lemmy specifically.
incels
Source?
this whole chain of comments makes no sense!
Now if there was only more content and communities, it would be like Reddit again
All I did was ask for a source :(
I understood your comment, its the other ones…
Those guys can’t catch a break. By whom or why are they getting attacked anyway?
Oh, I assume you’re not a native English speaker. Altima starts by observing that the lemmy world admins seem to be having a difficult time, then goes on to ask who is attacking their servers and why. I hope that’s helpful!
Source?
Well, I just created two alt accounts on sh.itjust.works and jlai.lu, copying my subscriptions with lemmy_migrate. Not too difficult, but we definitely need a simpler way to login into different servers…
Bienvenue!
Merci 😁 Plus on est de fous… jlailu va peut-être devenir mon main en fait.
100% d’uptime, ça ne s’invente pas
Are they suffering DDOS attacks? They might need something like Cloudflare to combat this. Maybe some kind of reverse-proxy if the attack isn’t super massive.
The current issue is actually an ongoing DB issue. It’s not solely affecting LW.
Yes. My instance will sometime have unusual high load and it will overload the cpu unless restarted. 0.18.3 doesn’t seems to fix it, and it only affect some instance but not all. It’s hard to pinpoint what cause the loop to happen.
That doesn’t really work for logged in users though, right?
Already running Cloudflare.
“Always Online” ™️
Ah shite.
What does not kill you, makes you stronger. The only thing these script kiddies are doing is strength training the world admins.
Yeah fucking up uptime during a period people are looking to migrate away from an ingrained product is definitely the path to a successful and strong network. Just like asking for unpaid admins (typically $100-200 an hour) to price on call duty for free.
What you are seeing is a business cheap out, have zero clue or plan about scale, not give two fucks about privacy, and trick you all into giving that business a free pass for being shitty and execute poorly.
This isn’t making shit stronger. It means normies will always make sure this place is the new 4chan.
What the fuck to literally all of this
And it’s back up again! Kudos to the team!
Down again it seems. People seriously need to switch away from lemmy.world. Every single time it goes down so much content goes down with it. It’s annoying.
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Because they’re on lemdro.id as lemmy provider, not lemmy.world. That’s the @ part in the user name.
It’s working now. Indeed, I hope they will.
I did this early on after realizing my mistake, promptly moved to vlemmy.net which after a couple weeks went totally mia.
Moved again… It’s a toss-up though. I want an instance big enough to stay updated, and have an active community, but not turn into .world or vlemmy.
You should be safe on infosec.pub, jerry is a great admin
Here’s to hoping!! I also worked with infosec group at my previous employer a lot and really grew to appreciate that field so I felt like a good fit !
That’s great!
I recommend people move away from Lemmy.world. Having ~28% of Lemmy users on a single instance is not good for the health of Lemmy overall.
For those that want to move to a different instance, here is a link to Lemmy instances sorted by user count: https://fedidb.org/software/lemmy
Is there an easy way to move all my subscriptions over?
There is a python script: https://github.com/wescode/lemmy_migrate
or a program with a GUI: https://github.com/CMahaff/lasim/releases
They are doing their best, but the users can help by spreading out to smaller instances. It’s also much better for the fediverse as a whole to have many smaller instances instead of a few giant ones.
Maybe you want to join http://lemmy.today? It’s located in Oregon (western USA) and is literally never down. I know since I’m addicted to Lemmy and I’m on it all the time now… :)
Also who doesnt like that cute little Lemmy icon it has. :) Looks like a very surprised lemming, or very happy one…
Cute icon indeed!
I remember talking to you about it a few days ago, has the admin clarified the redundancy question?
He is more than open to having several admins :) He is a Linux devops guy who is doing consulting in the area. It makes sense to have several admins due to the “bus factor” or what we shall call it.
Just have to find someone willing to help out. You know anyone?
Okay done. I’ll give the instance a try and see how it goes. :)
Cool, call me when you arrive… :)
I have like four different instances I’m using with accounts on each. I’m not sure the best route but feel like I should only have one or two accounts. Probably will keep the four for now just to see which instances seem most reliable. I’ll try and keep this one in the back of my mind in case I need another instance though :)
In my experience lemmy.world and reddthat go down a decent amount, especially the latter.
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If it does, it’s not hard to fix. :)
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So far it hasn’t attracted any bad behavior and the admin is a super nice guy. Works in tech (of course, who doesn’t here, right? ).
I think it’s not a major selling point either, just a bit of “open for all until we get actual problems”.
There was some guy from exploding heads trying to get users to his instance however. They don’t seem very nice at all, and seemingly blocked by a lot of instances.
We’re not allowed to have nice things.
Thankfully, other instances are still up and allow us to talk about it.
Back in the days, when Reddit or Twitter were down, it was down for the whole userbase.
how? I just use Sync for Lemmy and it seems like everything is down when lemmy.world is. I don’t really know how Lemmy works, or where different things I subscribe to are based.
You have to think of lemmy.world as your lemmy provider. Just like with e-mail you have your own email provider from the ISP, or gmail, or … If your own provider is down, you can’t receive or send mails, but all other people can send mails to each other. It’s the same with lemmy, but then for reading posts and send comments to that instance/provider.
Perfect. This makes sense, thank you.
Your account is on lemmy.world, so it fails to get any and all data. Accounts on other instances can interact with historic data.
Have a look at this comment: https://sopuli.xyz/comment/1603292
Yes, and we can do something about our own instances. Depending on your reverse proxy there’s a couple options.
Definitely!
The company running lw are asking for free unpaid 150k+a year admin work.
Fuck them. Someone run this personally and start a non profit.
Lots of options besides the one instance.
Nice things cost money and I don’t have it. So, checks out.
Status page: https://lemmy-status.org/endpoints/_lemmy-world
Hi from my alt. I just have like 4 alt accounts I switch between.
Same here, even a bit more I think
It’s getting really annoying. Is there an mobile friendly way to migrate my account from lemmy.world to lemmy.zip?
Hello,
Hm, I’m afraid at this moment the most common solution is https://github.com/CMahaff/lasim, which requires a computer. Would you be able to get access to one at some point later?
I have access to my work MacBook. Would that work?
I’m not an expert in Rust, but I guess it should!
LASIM author here - it should! Though Mac OS X is the one platform I can’t test on myself - I can build it through Github, and everything I did should be cross-platform, but I can’t actually launch it myself to make sure everything is working fine.
Only other thing might be if their work Macbook imposes any restrictions on running arbitrary binaries from the internet - which it understandably might.
Unfortunately, I don’t think there is anything on mobile yet. The best tool for this is LASIM on desktop.
Thanks! Gonna have to find some way to get to a PC or Mac.
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If you’re on Android you can use Termux to run lemmy_migrate, it’s a Python script
You can always have multiple accounts
I guess the issue is to importing the huge list of blocked instances to the new account
Yes, exactly. Blocked and subscribed as well
Why do you block instances? Sorry, new here
Because I have no interest in them, or they are NSFW and don’t tag properly, or they are duplicates with ones I already follow (technology communities are a good example)
I personally follow all the technology communities and just show new subscribed content on my main page. Some content is the same but there’s a lot of different posts too.
It kind of sucks that there’s several sub’s with a lot of people but then again, that’s the point, right?
You do you, I just prefer to block them, as long as we are both happy, that’s what matters!
I’ll concede, that’s a legitimately useful timesaver.
Just another day…
I need another instance so I can lurk when this happens.
If it’s just for lurking, look for a small one to help spread the load.
Try the one I’m on if your into sci-fi or fantasy
Hey, good to see you here! I always like your posts on !fantasy@sffa.community
I’m mostly in the Cosmere communities, I need to read more books before I can contribute elsewhere!
Life before Death, Radiant.
Strength before weakness. Journey before destination.
+1 to this. Imho it’s not good for lemmy as a whole if people are concentrated on a few large instances. Any time one of those major instances experience issues, the effect is going be major.
Have a look at here to know how to find one: https://sopuli.xyz/comment/1603292
That’s why I created this lemm.ee account. It seemed silly just waiting for lemmy.world to come back up all the time. That’s the beauty of the Fediverse. 😁
Performance is also overall better via other instances. We were hesitant about migrating /r/android given the LW downtimes but ended up doing so when Cole offered us a place on lemdro.id. Awesome uptime and great performance thus far with his scaling solution - keeps costs low as well.
The more decentralized, the better!
That was definitely a controversial move. 😂
I think it’s “easier” when you first come to Lemmy (or similar) to join the biggest server with all the communities. Being able to interact with communities everywhere, despite where your home instance is, takes some time to conceptualize. I actually think Lemmy has been easier to understand with that than, say, Mastodon.
Ideally this will be addressed by improved community discovery functionality in the apps and Lemmy-UI so folks don’t need to really think about it.
I agree Lemmy is easier than Mastodon.
I decided to make on on Lemm.ee. Seems pretty cool!
Yeah who are these fucks? Whats their damage? Somebody oughta go knock some sense into them
This single post :
https://lemmy.world/post/2874044
https://lemmy.ca/post/2904207
…has a comment from an hexbear user who thinks this is very funny.
(hidden from here because we defederated them)I couldnt see the comment, but that would make sense that a hexbear user could be behind this - lot of effort though and lots of narcicissm needed too
Or maybe they made a brigade ?
There are many comments about this inside this post just under that comment which I made twice.
About the comment you could not see :
user name is “Alaskaball…”
