• empireOfLove@lemmy.oneEnglish
    28·
    1 year ago

    Users when company who makes billions in profit off of ads modifies their browser to forcefully show more ads: 🤯😟

  • original_ish_name@lemm.ee
    70·
    1 year ago

    Google can do whatever bullshit they want, I am still not letting go of adblock

    I won’t use sites with WEI or adblock blockers

    I won’t use chromium

    You can lead the sheep to the spyware but you can’t force them to open it

      • Scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.techEnglish
        1·
        1 year ago

        They may kill this iteration of ad blockers. But there will always be another and another. Google has a lot of smart people working for them. There are also a lot of smart people in the FOSS community that will eventually find a way around it.

        At the end of the day there will still be people recording songs by holding two boom boxes together.

        • nanoUFO@sh.itjust.works
          1·
          1 year ago

          Make software that runs on your computer that uses machine learning to detect ads on you screen and put kitties and puppy pictures over them. Browser and sites couldn’t do shit about it unless they start acting like anticheats scanning your computer for that software etc…

      • Zerush@lemmy.ml
        22·
        1 year ago

        Firefox have the same problem with the WEI filter, they also have to insert in Firefox the Google Token, same as any other, if he want to enter a Web with this fucking filter, anyway Mozilla will do this in FF precisely because several Google devs in Mozilla which are working on FF (Bad decision of Mozilla to have Google as main sponsor). Ad/trackerblocker are not the problem in Vivaldi, it has inbuild the needed filters (even those to block Cookie advices and adblocker warnings) and until now it has gutt out every Google intent with FloC, IdleAPI and others to control the Chromium base (remember, also Chromium is FOSS and customizable,above with first class devs Vivaldi has), also don’t have and don’t depends on extern inversors, but this fucking WEI DRM of websites is a greater problem and need to be avoided by ALL browser companies which are not Google in common, if there is not a genius which invent something to fake this Google Token. We’ll see.

      • Maxy@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        151·
        1 year ago

        Except safari of course (almost 20% market share).

        Also, there are plenty of other browsers using Mozilla’s gecko engine. A quote from Wikipedia: “ Other web browsers using Gecko include GNU IceCat, Waterfox, K-Meleon, Lunascape, Portable Firefox, Conkeror, Classilla, TenFourFox.” (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gecko_(software))

        • Zerush@lemmy.ml
          1·
          1 year ago

          Yes, certainly, but all of these, if they want to sync their data, or use a own selfhosted server or have to use those of Mozilla with an account, giving with it datas to Alphabet (Google) and googleanalytics. Sync is essential if you use the browser in several PC, PC and Mobile or simply as backup if the PC fails or you buy a new one and don’t want to lose your bookmarks, passwords and other data. Forks are a lot out there, also very nice ones, but most of these lacks the basic infrastructure, depending on a lot of third party services. A browser isn’t only an app to surf the web, it’s a continuos work, maintance, servers and most important, a good and active community. How many forks offer all this? There are almost 100 different browsers out there and other 70 which had said Game over for us, from people which thought “Nice, its easy to fork this engine making it to my like and gain a lot of customers”, nice short dream with a product oversaturated in the market.

    • Domriso@kbin.social
      20·
      1 year ago

      Hm, can we make an anti-WEI movement? Have a bunch of websites block browsers using WEI, to force it away?

      I know that won’t actually work, but a man can dream…

      • millions @lemmy.oneEnglish
        4·
        1 year ago

        and then 75% of people can’t use your website and then people stop using it? That wouldn’t work

      • grue@lemmy.ml
        2·
        1 year ago

        Donate to orgs like the EFF, Mozilla, and the FSF. Lobby your congressperson, your senators, and Biden to make the FTC to start doing its goddamn job again and enforce antitrust law.

        The only real solution to this creeping megalomaniacal monopolistic behavior is legislative.

        • nanoUFO@sh.itjust.works
          2·
          1 year ago

          The real hope is the EU doing the right thing again and curb stomping the fuck out of google and hopefully the results spread across the world.

    • Mikina@programming.dev
      1·
      1 year ago

      We know how it will impact Firefox. They will be deeply concerned with WEI and extremely opposing it, but will implement it anyway because they are forced to do it.

      It’s going to go exactly like this. Again.

      With most competing browsers and the content industry embracing the W3C EME WEI specification, Mozilla has little choice but to implement EME WEI as well so our users can continue to access all content they want to enjoy.

      And that is almost a direct quote.

    • edric@lemm.ee
      131·
      1 year ago

      The problem is they have the lion’s share of users, so they can force websites to adhere to their policies and those sites will stop working in FF.

      • baked_tea@lemmy.world
        41·
        1 year ago

        Google is the source of most of the funding to Firefox. Can go 100 to 0 anytime basically

        • sexy_peach@feddit.deEnglish
          4·
          1 year ago

          You’re assuming that this will kill FF instantly instead of them finding new ways to fund themselves. Not saying the situation is good, but it’s not that bad.

    • Pyro@pawb.socialEnglish
      17·
      1 year ago

      The issue beyond them trying to change chromium to not have it but they are trying to make it so part of websites have the “security” built in as well

  • Pixlbabble@lemm.eeEnglish
    10·
    1 year ago

    The day I can’t block ads is the day I stop browsing the internet. I’ve been blocking ads since the popups and banner days.

  • wrath-sedan@kbin.social
    34·
    1 year ago

    Honestly just shocked how well Adblockalypse rolls off the tongue despite being the linguistic equivalent of three kids in a trench coat

  • foggy@lemmy.world
    86·
    1 year ago

    I think Google overestimates my Internet addiction and underestimates my steadfast hatred of advertisements.

    • Mikina@programming.dev
      1·
      1 year ago

      I love this quote, it exactly sums up my sentiments.

      I’m actually looking forward to it, because it will finally force me to go cold turkey on so many bullshit websites I don’t need in my life anyway, which I was never able to do on my own, because the addiction simply is there. But not as strong ans my hatred of fingerprinting and advertisements.

    • Guy_Fieris_Hair@lemmy.world
      161·
      1 year ago

      Been on chrome for like 12 years. Syncs across my phone, everything. I will make the switch. I have been wondering when google was going to go evil. Why not 2023 like everything else on the internet?

        • Tak@lemmy.ml
          6·
          1 year ago

          Dodge v. Ford is arguably the court case that proves all capitalist owned companies are legally required to not do the right thing. If Google was worker owned they would be a lot better.

      • LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.ml
        04·
        1 year ago

        2 years from now Firefox will have blocked adblockers, and there will be chromium based browsers (not Chrome) that won’t have them blocked.

        I don’t see why people seem to be thinking a large company in a capitalistic landscape isn’t going to side with profits. Firefox will oppose it openly right now and take the new users and then move to the same without lube and without apologies.

        Small browsers that still have some morals before going public will build browers off chromium because of its ease, and they will be able to exclude those blocks. Likely means we will be using different browsers every few years until something else changes.

        Maybe I’m pessimistic here, but anyone who just moved from Reddit to Lemmy should know that Firefox isn’t the answer, it is another greed driven overlord.

        Mimicking the tokens on the otherhand… those sites we will need to boycott if possible.

  • mayonaise_met@feddit.nl
    11·
    1 year ago

    They really do want us to use Firefox, don’t they?

    There is convenience in being used to a browser, but there is more convenience in not having to deal with ads. That’s why I use Firefox on Android.

    • illectrility@sh.itjust.works
      1·
      1 year ago

      I honestly don’t get people that say “I use Chrome because I’m used to it”. It’s not like Firefox and Chrome are immensely different when it comes to UX, right? The interface is pretty similar.

      • mayonaise_met@feddit.nl
        1·
        1 year ago

        Sure. But I also professionally use a product that works better on Chrome (and Edge nowadays) so I’m lazy about it. Eventually I’ll move to Firefox on my home PC. But in on my work PC and phone 95% of the time already so it’s not going to make a huge dent.

    • intrepid@lemmy.ca
      2·
      1 year ago

      Hey! Don’t let them know that they’re doing the world a favor! You know - the ‘don’t be evil’ thing.

      • Mikina@programming.dev
        1·
        1 year ago

        That’s not how it works.

        Your bank will implement WEI API. Facebook will too, same as Gmail or Youtube. Any browser that does not support or has removed the WEI API will not be able to display or use any of those websites. It’s the same with Netflix or Spotify - if you try to use it in a more privacy-centered browser, it simply does not work - because it those browsers do not support EME API (which is a DRM that was implemented few years ago, but for media). Firefox was against it, by the way. Firefox also quickly backed down and implemented it anyway once it rolled out, because “We ArE FoRcEd tO Do It”, due to their already dwindling marketshare and people complaining and switching to other browsers because their shit ain’t working on Firefox.

        Everyone keeps saying “I will never use a browser that does support WEI!”, but somehow it feels like they don’t really realize that their internet will simply stop working for most of the content they consume, since there’s no reason for Google or Facebook to not use this opportunity to forcefeed more ads to people.

    • Gamey@feddit.rocks
      51·
      1 year ago

      Yea, because the other browsers certainly won’t follow if users complain because Youtube and co. dont work anymore…

        • Gamey@feddit.rocks
          62·
          1 year ago

          You really don’t realize how stupid that take is? If Google manages to establish this all major browsers will have follow and a single complain less won’t change that…

          • LinkOpensChest.wav@midwest.social
            411·
            1 year ago

            I simply will not use the internet until another browser is available? Use that little head.

            Reported for being disproportionately hostile. There is no reason to attack someone over something as silly as web browsers.

    • pjhenry1216@kbin.social
      6·
      1 year ago

      It’s serverside with browser support. A webserver implements it on their site, so it could refuse to load without WEI regardless of chromium or not.

      • Mugmoor@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        1·
        1 year ago

        Within 6 months of implementation someone will find a way around it, or a FOSS alternative to spoof the WEI signing on servers.

        • pjhenry1216@kbin.social
          1·
          1 year ago

          I mean, it’s basically going to be as strong as TLS. Unless the digital signers cert gets leaked, I don’t see how.

        • pjhenry1216@kbin.social
          3·
          1 year ago

          I don’t know. I just had a discussion where someone told me it’d unrealistic to give up YouTube for the alternatives and yadda yadda yadda. It bears reminding that not everyone is as privacy-minded and make up nowhere near a majority. Not caring what happens because you aren’t using chromium is dangerous. It’s still about you and it’s still going to affect you.

          • LinkOpensChest.wav@midwest.social
            2·
            1 year ago

            It’s not that I don’t care. I intend to do whatever I can to help prevent it. But at the end of the day, if people keep supporting platforms like YouTube, then I see the enshittification of the internet as inevitable. We’re literally welcoming it by doing so.

  • ﾌ卂ㄖ卄乇卂卄@lemy.lolEnglish
    0·
    1 year ago

    Laughs in Firefox. (Specifically FireDragon)

    Edit: Since there was some confusion in the comments about what FireDragon is, I will explain it here. FireDragon is the default browser on Garuda Linux. FireDragon is a fork of Librewolf, which is in-turn a fork of Firefox. Librewolf’s main goal is to provide the most privacy possible to its user, though it might be at the cost of some sites breaking. FireDragon is a fork of Librewolf, it reduces some of the privacy settings that Librewolf uses, in order for sites to not break, but while still retaining most of the privacy features. dr460nf1r3 the developer of FireDragon said “This fork ships saner defaults to also include regular (not paranoid 😋) users of Garuda Linux in its audience” [1] Paragraph 2, Line 6

    FireDragon from my perspective is focused around Garuda Linux, so a lot of its features are designed for users of Garuda Linux in mind.

    More information about FireDragon can be found here: https://forum.garudalinux.org/t/firedragon-librewolf-fork/5018, here: https://github.com/dr460nf1r3/firedragon-browser, and here: https://dr460nf1r3.org/projects/firedragon/

    More Information about Librewolf can be found here: https://librewolf.net/

    More Information about Garuda Linux can be found here: https://garudalinux.org/

    • Ivan171@lemmy.world
      1·
      1 year ago

      I installed AdGuard Home on a spare Android phone I have. Been using it as my DNS server for over a week now. It’s working beautifully.

  • CrowAirbrush@lemm.ee
    3·
    1 year ago

    My normal internet usage consists of 50% ads, i get more ads on instagram than actual posts so i’ve started shitposting comments on the ads.

    Leave my digital space alone, but since you don’t have the decency we have to do it ourselves.

    • illectrility@sh.itjust.works
      2·
      1 year ago

      Get a DNS Sinkhole like PiHole or use an adblocking DNS.

      For YouTube I can recommend NewPipe (mobile) and FreeTube (desktop).

      For everything else I use uBlock.

      • CrowAirbrush@lemm.ee
        1·
        1 year ago

        Tbh instagram is just a shithole because every post is someone flexing their influencer deal, trying to sell you some bullshit.

        The rest are just true ads hosted by facebook (as far as i’m aware, since you can’t advertise on instagram without a facebook account).

        I’m using an adblock on firefox and my internet on my pc is decent, it actually feels like i’m using the internet compared to it using me to shovel ads into my face.

    • Domriso@kbin.social
      13·
      1 year ago

      They’re attempting to push what is essentially DRM onto the internet, so websites can block you if you don’t use their special browser.

    • DominicO@ttrpg.network
      1·
      1 year ago

      I’m from the Philippines and I can explain why, at least here, most people still use chrome. Over here, we’re much more concerned about our money and time over our rights and privacy, which means we usually just choose the most convenient and cheap money-wise, which is why the majority of us still use chrome and why the government here can get away with so much shit. we don’t care about our rights not because we’re being given bread and circuses, but because we’re too busy making a circus out of ourselves so we can buy bread.