rofl. apple stole their gui from xerox, so I guess he knew how it worked.
still failed, rather epically
Something something Xerox
Found the commenter who is old enough to retire
Retirement? In this economy?
Fucking wish I could retire
You can… maybe not for long, and not out of the streets, but technically anyone can “retire” at any moment…
If it’s not final, it’s not retiring. Pretty sure “comfortably” is implied as well.
I think every nerdy person knows about it though. Gates and Jobs have a pretty famous exchange over it.
He meant “photostat” though.
Y’all need to watch pirates of Silicon Valley
It’s like the Halloween 3 of the Pirates franchise: pretty good but quite a departure for the series. Notably, neither Captain Sparrow nor Captain Stagnetti make an appearance at all - amongst many other differences.
Amazing review, and shockingly accurate. Well done.
Eli5 about it? Please?
I think this captures the highlights of the issue.
https://www.businessinsider.com/bill-gates-answers-reddit-question-about-copying-steve-jobs-2017-3
Haha, I like this part:
[…] Gates responded: “Well, Steve, I think there’s more than one way of looking at it. I think it’s more like we both had this rich neighbor named Xerox and I broke into his house to steal the TV set and found out that you had already stolen it.”
I half expected you to just say “Google it”
Thanks man I appreciate it
If you’re not in the know, google “a neighbor named xerox gates jobs”
Dig an inch and you realize woz has more tech talent in his left pinky than jobs ever did.
I miss when Steve Jobs was the most overtly garbage trashman in the tech industry. Well, at least he’s resting peacefully in hell.
Man all this money in the bank and still ranting like a loser. Mfer his company steals all product ideas from other companies right from VR headsets to features from Android and then he says this. Innovate harder bitch 🤣🤣
What are you talking about? He’s dead.
I know. Sorry English is not my first language but i meant everything i said.
iOS user: “DUDE have you seen [new iOS feature]? This is the bee’s knees!” [10 minutes of gushing omitted for brevity]
Android user: “…Yeah, we’ve had that for 15 years.”Remember when “resize window from any corner” got a round of applause?
Wait what does that mean, how else do u do it and what device was it?
Or when two mouse buttons would be too confusing to users?
edit: fixed typo
Apple always had only one button, right up until it had zero.
This happens the other way too FWIW
Even the iPhone itself was just a more advanced version of a PDA or other handheld PC device that existed years before it. Logically, phones would have advanced similarly with or without Apple.
I had one called the iPaq.
Apple has since then made it illegal to trademark products starting with “i”. Irony.
iRony.
“Irony”, its probably what the “I” stands for.
To be fair, Apple had a PDA, the Newton, back in 1993… Not that it was the 1st again…
It wasn’t an entirely new concept but it completely redefined what it could be. Look up what Android looked like until the iPhone was demoed.
HTC Dream with Android.
What was your point again?
iPhone was announced January 2007 and released in June. The phone you’re linking to was released September 2008.
What was your point again?
Yeah that’s exactly it. This phone was a reaction to the original iPhone. I was there
Doesn’t look like a black rectangular piece of glass to me. I think the point they were making was that there was a design paradigm shift when the iPhone came out.
Floating apps. And split screen. I was playing Pokemon Go with reddit open in the corner in 2017 and it was old then. I dunno when iOS got it, but it’s recentish.
Neither floating apps nor split screen were ever released for iOS. Split screen was added a while ago for iPadOS, but floating apps (Stage Manager) was released just last year.
Copy muthafuckin paste. That was a laugh, listening to explanations of why you didn’t need it, until they “invented” that too.
Here are the stats nowadays. Just to make Steve Jobs roll in his grave, once again! 😂
Android4Life! But come on, give up that graph that combines mobile + desktop operating systems! They are totally, completely different and should be kept separate. But only based on who buys them, who uses them, who supports them, customer vs corporate customers, etc…
I think hed be pretty happy with that! That 13% may be less, but its all from 1 manufacturer or brand. They dont need to share a piece of the pie!
Those are weird stats lumping in phone OSes with desktop/notebook OSes.
Considering how many people use a phone as their primary computing device now, it makes sense to me.
while excluding other types of computer like embedded devices, servers and whatnot
There’s also the fact that there’s no source for the chart. Why is there an unknown category there? Why is it different from other in this context?
I’d guess unknown means whatever was used to record this information couldn’t determine the os (so it’s probably linux lol), whereas the other category is probably BSD and the like.
Just a guess though, I have no idea
the unknown is BEOS.
I liked BeOS for what it was.
Clearly it’s TempleOS.
If you include servers and embedded devices Linux is gonna go brrrr
And if you count Android and ChromeOS as
androidLinux, which I guess they are (though bastardised somewhat), it’s an absolute bloodbath.Since we are doing a big mix of everything why not throw there Minix that resides on all Intel chips?
I think you meant “if you count Android and ChromeOS as Linux”
Ooof you’re right, thanks. These nightshifts I’m working have my brain in a mess! Corrected
Only 1% for Linux? Come on, all of Android is Linux!
Did he forget about windows mobile pda phones that predated the iPhone? I had one of these before the iPhone was a thing: https://m.gsmarena.com/o2_xda_iis-933.php
I miss when devices came with infrared transmitters… Also it had a mini sim & built-in Bluetooth/wifi at that time, wow.
Xiaomi phones still come with infrared, mostly used to control TVs, fans, AC units, etc.
He was just Salty 🧂.
iPhone undeniably brought the technology forward by years, even if only in terms of software. I don’t even like iOS, but it seems disingenuous to compare iPhone to those, or the Samsung tablets, or anything that came before it.
Here in the UK it took over 3 years, after the initial release of the iPhone, for it to even support MMS messaging. Most people around me had Blackberries until Apple actually gave reason for them to consider switching, which took years. It was largely considered to be like the iPods before it: focused on the fashion/‘cool’ aspect of it.
I would not say they brought technology forward, and I’d go as far as to say the strive to bring forward functionalities of the iPhones improved after Jobs (I understand this is a hot take and may result in downvotes, just my opinion based on local experience).
I’m with you, but it seems like this post got taken over by passionate haters
Lol haters. Can’t really blame ppl for saying fanboy if talk like that.
You post a hateful quote and ppl nuance it. Doesn’t seem that bad.
While apple did improve the design, they mostly made it “cool”. Before that they were “nerd” phones. The Motorola V3 was a “cooler “phone at the time until the iPhone came out.
He died, all right. Never letting go of his bullshit, whether it was alternative medicine or whatever.
He’s been raised to divinity almost. Even now, not a month goes by when some major outlet would write a story on what a genius he was, same goes for hackernews.
Odd that had he lived, you’d be seeing him on Joe Rogan or posting some antivax bs.
Though he does also have a big reputation for being an idiot.
Holy shit! Imagine if he was alive during fucking COVID, I can totally see what you said lmao
Maybe he should have said “The best artist is the one with the best lawyer.”
Fun fact: Android is older.
Technically correct, but it was originally aimed at Blackberry. https://www.pcworld.com/article/464050/original_android_prototype_revealed_during_google_oracle_trial.html
Apple pioneered a moderately useful mobile browser and fully touch screen UI (except for the home button).
They’ve been copying each other ever since, to the point where I watch the WWDC keynote thinking “they didn’t already have THAT!?” most of the time.
To this day whenever I hear people say Apple invented the smart phone I sigh. Maybe that’s technically true or not depending on how you want to count it. But what irks me is how people think it was brilliant. Like bro, I was browsing on the go with my Zune and PSP years before the iPhone came out. The only things we can thank Apple for are the two worst parts of a smart phone. Apps and the phone.
But jobs didn’t want apps on the iPhone, it was only planned for the iPad that would only come years later. He kind of got strong armed into putting it on the iPhone as well (and I doubt it would have been as successful as it did if Jobs had had his way)
More like Apple copies an android feature that is more than a decade old then claims it as some kind of innovation.
Now they do, but the iPhone was revolutionary when it was released. Apple literally changed the world with their invention.
A lot of people forget the early days.
Android had copy/paste first, Apple didn’t for a long time.
Android had MMS support first, Apple didn’t for a long time.
Android had multi tasking apps first, apple didn’t for a long time.
Android allowed app store apps to duplicate inbuilt apps, like web browsers, music players, email clients. Apple banned these for a long time.
I remember having to jailbreak my iPhone 3GS to have swipe down toggles we now know as normal today. It was called SB settings from cydia. I’m pretty sure this was also standard on Android. And file manager.
Android was a poor comparison when iPhone first released. I had one of them. It was neat because it was new, but realistically it was a piece of shit compared to the iPhone. I’m no Apple fan boy, but they genuinely changed the world in many ways
When iPhone first released… it was a piece of shit compared to the HTC Dream with Android. The main improvement Apple did, was removing the keyboard.
slaps a buzzword on it and makes a trillion. Can’t believe some iphone users consider widgets modetn
My old boss would always buy the new IPhone the day it came out and brag about features and a lot of the times I would be scratching my head being like how is that different then what I have on my 4 year old android Galaxy 6??
Android was not aimed at blackberry. It was to be a completely new phone OS from the ground up and add extensive capabilities to the phone world over what the blackberry (the most popular phone at the time) could. Yes the G1 had a similar form factor to the most popular phone at the time and it wasn’t even the only form. The phone in the picture was from prototype stage and never shipped in that form factor. The shipping go had a screen and button under it. The screen slid sideways to reveal a keyboard. The Motorola droid was the most popular android phone when they actually shipped. I had a droid and a coworker had a G1. Development problems and companies scared to gamble on a radical new product delayed Androids launch behind iPhones. Apple did a fantastic job of developing the iPhone in secret, knowing the Android was coming.
Yeah Android might have copied IOS. But why not. Android would have been developed any way sooner or later. It is based on Linux. And that is open sourced.
It only took a year for Android to be released after iOS. How long has it taken China to come up with a competing operating system? I’m pretty sure Google was working somewhat in parallel to Apple.
The first iPhone was released in 2007. Android development started in 2003, with the first pitches to phone manufacturers in 2005. So yeah, Android wasn’t merely a copy of iPhone.
The timeline is technically correct but misleading, and please google what Android looked like prior to the iPhone announcement. While you’re there, might also want to check out the technical differences like iPhone prioritizing things like animation and user interaction. Wouldn’t also hurt to check out the first, say, 1-4 Android devices compared to literally just the first iPhone and tell us which one our phones look like today. Also, do we think that Apple was just like “here’s a new OS we made over winter break?” They announced in '06. Android was developed probably at a similar time, bought by Google, and then had to pivot hard after iPhone announcement, and harder still after hardware actually got into customer hands.
The replies throughout this entire post are incredible. You are exactly right, yet downvoted for it.
In many way iOS had copied android and sometimes they did it late (multitasking, …)
Just about every invention is obvious in hindsight. Take a look at what Android looked like pre-iPhone announcement and then post.
If I remember correctly, android was already under development, but huge changes were made after the iPhone came out.
Android was close to being released, but it was going to be much more like a BlackBerry, with a keyboard focus. They delayed the release to retool it somewhat with more of a touch focus.
“somewhat” is doing a lot of work here. I mean, they didn’t re-write the kernel, but you can google example of the UI pre and post iPhone announcement.
Steve Jobs was the Elon Musk of his time, he just died too soon for everyone to see him for the villain he was.
did he ever reconcile with his kid? hard to imagine just ignoring your own child like that…
Who, Elon or Steve? /s
he just died too soon for everyone to see him for the villain he was
Oh he died soon enough.
he just died too soon for everyone to see him for the villain he was
He cut the line for organ donation. People did get to see how he was, and they didn’t care.
Woah; that’s just so wildly inaccurate; I have no idea what to even say.
Are you really saying Jobs was a transphobic right-wing extremist whose father got super rich and helped him to just buy into uprising companies without really doing anything by himself?That’s true, he was not nearly as bad as Musk. I was mainly talking about how he’s a general asshole who steals from others and is revered by techbros. I was maybe being a bit hyperbolic in my comparison.
I don’t necessarily agree with that, but I get this point (in contrast to how you phrased it before), so fair I guess.
But just one thing:
is revered by techbros I actually don’t know any people who revere Musk. I know this is dependent on the bubble, but at least with Jobs being generally seen pretty favourable and Musk seen extremely unfavourable by most people, I think there’s a big difference.
He did father a child he denied to the day he died, intentionally screwed Woz out of his fair share of the apple fortune, killed himself by treating cancer with quackery. Jobs is probably more self made, but that’s about it.
Jobs is probably more self made, but that’s about it.
I just gave you some pretty major differences. To me, most things that defines Musk as the horrible person he is aren’t true for Jobs. Again: The extremist position, transphobia, the fact that he bought into his companies and didn’t actually invent these things and made these breakthroughs by himself (which is just not true for Jobs, even if you have reasons to not like him), that he just got his money by his father’s mine and hasn’t made such successes by himself, etc. All of that doesn’t apply to Jobs.
Those things you mention are just… cases of him doing awful stuff; most of them not even related to Musk in any way. But if “he did awful stuff” is enough to set him on the same layer as Musk, then he is also “the same person” as a good share of all people living.
He did not deny her until the day he died. She even lived with him during highschool, and he named a computer after her, even though he made up a bogus acronym to pretend that wasn’t his motivation.
Woz was worth $500m at one point and is worth $100m today. It’s not like he was cut out of the game, he just wasn’t interested in money or success the way Jobs was. Without Jobs drive for success, Woz would never have shared his inventions with anyone, it was just a private hobby to him.
Steve was definitely an asshole, but there are plenty of valid criticisms to levy at him, you don’t need to misrepresent anything.
’s not like he was cut out of the game, he just wasn’t interested in money or success the way Jobs was.
You really buy that? That’s some bullshit someone says when they got fucked over and know they’ll lose and come out worse if they try to get what’s rightfully theirs.
Woz himself has said as much. The guy has more money than he’ll ever be able to spend. He’s fine.
Woz himself has said as much.
That’s why I said:
That’s some bullshit someone says when…
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t give a shit about the contentedness of any of these treasure hoarding shitdragons, but there never has been and never will be a person who is fine with getting ass fucked out of hundreds of millions of dollars. Even Muskrat is throwing an endless tantrum and fucking up people’s lives over a bad deal, even though he did it to himself on purpose.
there never has been and never will be a person who is fine with getting ass fucked out of hundreds of millions of dollars.
Hi, you don’t know me… but for a single hundred million dollars, you can ass fuck me out of as many hundreds more as you want.
Steve Jobs did at least actually do things. Musk just buys things and claims he did them.
What things did he do?
He invented the rounded rectangle, all hail
There’s also the flat mouse
He was a world-class jump-ropesman, for one
Jobs insisted on selling a touchscreen-only smartphone. Turns out, he was right on that one.
But like, he didn’t design or build it himself. His company did.
So by that logic he’s still the same as Musk, who insisted on a mass-market EV car or reusable rockets.
His company did.
It wasn’t even his company, they stole the concept from another company. The home button also wasn’t an apple original. The “sum of the parts” was the “original” thing
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Nah Jobs didn’t do anything himself. From Wozniaks first computer up to the multitouch display for the iPhone, all of these things were just bought/stolen/copied. Jobs just knew how to put these technologies into something that would sell.
Jobs insisted on removing the keypad from a smartphone. He didn’t make the multitouch display, but he did force app developers to take it seriously.
The iPhone didn’t originally have apps other than basic ones that shipped with the phone, like Safari, YouTube, calculator, etc…
People hacked the first gen to run things like an NES emulator. Apple promptly shut that down and introduced the app store.
I don’t hate Jobs for that, but I despise almost every other fucking company panicking in order to copy that shit. Blackberry keyboards were great stuff in the early 2010s.
He was a visionary who was able to see the applicability of new technology, and was able to force his will for better than the standard upon people who would otherwise have thought the improvements impossible. The guy was a fucking jerk, that’s true, but he also completely changed the world with his vision. To say he was nothing more than a Musk, or a thief, is to be disingenuous.
but he also completely changed the world with his vision
Which is a fucking shame, because his vision sucked for the most part. “Less power to the consumers, let them grovel for our products; You can only use our products the way we demand you to; Fuck repairability, buy new; Fuck keyboards”
Gonna have to learn how to necromance if you wanna keep sucking that dick.
Just like how Elon did not design his rockets, SpaceX engineers did, Steve did not design the iPhone, Apple engineers did.
Also everyone seems to conveniently forget about the factory workers actually building them.
I feel like he had a part in the first apple. Wozniac did the work but Jobs sold it. Selling and marketing are not easy and a different skill set. I’d be curious what Wozniac has to say about it though.
Not only Jobs managed to sell, he managed to sell way above cost. Apple became synonymous with premium features, even when it was clearly lagging behind the competition in terms of raw power (late 80’s) or offering sub par experiences.
So elon but a good businessman
Yeah, Steve Jobs was definitely an asshole, and he didn’t personally design any of his products, but he did know what direction to move things in and what consumers wanted in a phone. He was the first to put a truly usable portable touchscreen computer into our pockets with a phone in it, and every phone nowadays is basically just a reimagined, upgraded version of the first iPhone. The way we communicate is forever changed because of the iPhone.
But yeah iPhone’s are kind of the pinnacle of “how much can we fuck you over before you notice” now. All because of the little Apple on the back of the phone.
There is a story that the concept of touchscreen phones was stolen from a Nokia engineer who tried to get nokia to produce them but the feature was dismissed as a ‘gimmick’.
He didn’t know what customers wanted in a phone.
He knew what customers would want in a phone when they were taught about its existence.
The customers had no idea they would want it before he showed it to them.
Salesman
Jesus I’m no Elon fan but how many companies do you have to take from a couple million to hundreds of billions before you’re good at your job?
What is it with modern society and the need to reduce everything about a person just because they’re a POS? He might be evil but he’s clearly pretty good at being a businessman or you wouldn’t even know his name.
But… he literally isn’t. Like just look at twitter, he has ruined it from day one with bad decisions day after day whose impacts haven’t shown directly, but now appear more and more with embarrassing effects (The verification badge which is now worthless and has been used to impersonate people and cooperations, the two factor authentification which stopped working, the self-DDOSing, the maximum amounts of tweets one could view per day, the old tweets that got deleted due to a glitch, etc.)
And in other companies it’s mostly other people managing the stuff and cleaning up the mess he leaves; especially SpaceX is currently just glad that he isn’t too busy with his X playtoy to bother them.
The only thing you may call him somewhat successful in is making out companies that have a potential so he could get into them early and claim their success.It’s a completely different business vertical. Running a government rocketship contract or vehicle manufacturer isnt the same as software development or social media. Plus he’s made so many decisions that are laughably stupid to the layman that it almost seems like he’s tanking it purposefully.
Businesses aren’t all the same and the same type of person can’t run all of them. It’s like asking your heart doctor to give you a urologists opinion.
Tesla started with almost nothing, SpaceX was his from the ground up. I’m not certain how much of Paypal was his but something tells me he was in management there too.
No one’s claiming he developed the Tesla Model 3, or engineered the landing system of the Dragon boosters himself. He has been in charge of the people who have though, and he seems to be doing well enough of a job to keep those companies going.
So he’s not good at managing a social media platform specifically, if he’s actually trying and this isn’t just a long con to destroy the site for some other end goal.
Elon is (maybe was) very much good at what he does. Twitter is a bad example because that whole shit show was a dick measuring content from the get-go.
Fact is, SpaceX wouldn’t be SpaceX and Tesla sure as fuck would not be Tesla without his leadership.
He’s a piece of shit as a person, and I’d never want to work for him, because his work ethic is unhealthy to say the least (and I personally have a pretty extreme work ethic), but it’s schoolyard nonsense to claim he’s somehow bad at business. Leading a business may be the one thing he is good at. It’s tossing shit just to toss shit.
You can not like him and acknowledge he is good at things.
Tesla sure as fuck would not be Tesla without his leadership.
You’re right, it wouldn’t; it would almost certainly be a better company.
Musk got Tesla where it is financially entirely through blatant fraud. “Earning” the company’s absurd valuation based almost entirely on dishonest promises of releasing a technology that is entirely unachievable, undesirable, and dangerous is an unsustainable business model, and it’s already showing cracks.
The fact that you seem to think that being highly profitable through constant ethical violations in every aspect of the company is to viewed as a succsess is honestly pretty gross.
Being a succsessful businessman does not make one a good businessman. Half of the equation is ethics, because it fucking matters.
A successful businessman with bad ethics and an unsuccsessful one with good ethics are both bad businessmen.
The only good businessman is one who both succeeds and has good ethics.
without the good, or the (hu)man(ity)
There’s no version of this reality where Jobs isn’t a good businessman. You might not like the company or their products, but they’ve somehow managed to build a huge and successful business selling those overpriced toys to tons of people. They managed to create a cult around expensive consumer electronics. That is a massive success no matter how you slice it. And you can’t deny that Jobs played a big part in that.
it was just a gag for comic effect. it wasn’t the breadth and depth of my thoughts and feelings of the digital and manufacturing epochs since the 1980s.
But also, it was kind of begging the question of “is there such thing as a good business man?”
There’s good for /their/ business. But is that- in general - good?
Does the current head of Larian Studios count as a businessman? If so, that’s one I would consider good for the company AND the consumers
Also you can tie it directly to Jobs, because when he was gone for a bit, apple fuckin tanked, and then he came back and they came out with the iPod.
That’s not an accident.
The weird thing is that Apple without Jobs was a failure, but also Jobs without Apple was also a failure.
Didn’t Musk start SpaceX? That’s, at least, one thing. Too bad he can’t stick to it.
No, he bought it from others and made them sign a contract letting him claim he’s the owner.
Start? Nope.
At least normal billionaires pretend to be fans of free markets where competition keeps prices in check. Steve Jobs was just honest enough to admit he’s a piece of shit
Apple, with the iphone, did pioneering capacitive touch screen and biometric. Android brought smartphone to the mass and trigger the stupid camera war.
Apple-Fanboii-Checklist:
- Trace everything back to the original iPhone
- Be sure to mention Apple’s Marketing buzzwords like “biometry” or “live photo”
- Offhandedly treat “Android” as “product for the common masses” with a hint of snobbery
- Treat “The Android” as a monolithic entity instead of a licensed OS that has nothing to do with the devices it runs on per se
- Call anything that was a marketing focus for Android-Using-Companies but not for Apple for a time some derogatory name because only what Apple did was right
I’ve never seen someone shit and vomit so hard into a 5 point list before. Congrats on that one, go grab some water.
- Named the one pioneering thing they actually did
- Didn’t use that word but biometrics have nothing implicitly to do with iPhone. Regardless, imagine referring to a named functionality by its own name - so controversial. You’re just trying to take words away from people.
- You’re being paranoid, where do you see snobbery in this comment please point it out if you’re willing to defend this point
- Again, imagine referring to something as it is socially known. Android, pedantically, is an OS yes but everyone in the fucking world when they hear “android or iPhone” know that means an iPhone or a phone running android. 🙄
- What the fuck are you smoking
Cool username by the way. What’s the origin? Sounds awfully a lot like a specific slur I know of. A trolls MO certainly would line up with whatever your shit post of a comment was.
What…the…fuck?!
More riveting conversation, what a surprise.
“riveting conversation” eh?
Watch the completely uncalled for aggression you spewed towards a silly little post about brand fanboiis. Insults followed by attacks, followed by calling me racist for my nickname. This is pathetic and nothing more. You may believe you dealt some sort of blow to me and “win” or something, yet the only thing you did is flail around like an angry child.
All this aggression against a post that was meant to tease someone, which you might have noticed had you read my other post 3 answers down.
Even if there was a conversation to be had about Android vs iOS or the like (there is none, everyone should use their hard earned money to buy whatever is the best products for them and that’s it), even if you made some interesting point somewhere in that ball of hatred you call “conversation”, I’d not engage with that point since the tone you set is not worth my - or everyone else’s - time.
Not reading that wall of text, know damn well it equates to I don’t have anything intelligent to contribute to this convo and I am a troll.
Textbook.
Refer to your bio for being unduly rude
Okay, shorter then: your bio asked me to point you there if you were “unduly rude or disrespectful” , so here we go:
@stevedidWHATEdit: corrected quote and link
Nice try though, have been an android user all my life and only own one ipad. Typical stupid online generalization.
Too late, you already angered the android extremists. Come at me haters
All hail the little robo dwarf trashcan thing that is supposed to be an Android while looking nothing like a human!
capacitative touch screen
Motorola PDA’s form 1999 already had it. I was playing jawbreaker instead of working back in 2001.
You’re too young for the stance you want to take. Let the adults talk.
Give the credit where its due. Android was designed to be used on a device similar to BlackBerry (Sooner), the success of the first iPhone made them switch to a touch design from the ground up. Your Motorola didn’t start any trend. That’s why I use the word “pioneering”. Use shit just to claim “first” without making any major impact is called “gimmick”, like the 2k screen on my old LG G3 (hate it).
Empty barrel truly make the most noise.
👏🏻 👏🏻 👏🏻
Jsyk I downvoted not because you’re necessarily wrong but because you were a dick when the other dude hadn’t even engaged in anything like that
Not very cash money of u fren
The “stupid camera war” killed the amount of UFO and ghost sightings, while increasing the sightings of meteors and police brutality, so not all that stupid.
Why does this asshole live rent free in all your heads? I never hear Apple fanboys bitch about that creep Andy Rubin.
Your first question is fair, but Apple fans don’t know who that is.
Almost nobody knows who that is!
99% of android fans don’t know him either
It’s almost like Android fans are fans of the OS and the features it provides instead of who made it.
Also true.
fortunately our mobile OS manufacturer operates the most widely used search engine - so it’s a triviality to find the answer
Because his company was (and continues to be) a powerful force acting against consumer rights.
He was also a self absorbed asshole that’s still idolized for some reason.
People like people like them.
