• gongonzabarfarbin@lemmy.world
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    10 months ago

    Y’all Texans can go to hell for trying to claim y’all.

    • Signed a Louisianan

    P.s. your El Paso 857 sign can go right to hell too.

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    10 months ago

    OK then when you get out of the shower you go

    oh, duh, only third person singular pronouns are ever gendered in English. why would I ever think a second person pronoun would be gendered?

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    10 months ago

    “You” is also ungendered. There seems to be a common idea that English is missing a second person plural. We have one, it’s “you”. We just stopped using the second person singular. That’s what all those variations of “thee, thou, thy” etc were.

    “Y’all” would be a superpluralization. If that’s still not enough we also have the ultraplural form of, “all y’all”

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        10 months ago

        We also have “Ya’” where we elide the entire ending and you need to determine plural vs singular from context. For example, “Ya’ can’t get thea, les’ ya been there befoa.”

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      10 months ago

      Y’all is exclusive. All y’all is inclusive.

      If I walk into a party in a house and a group of my friends are there and I say ‘what are y’all doing here?’, I’m only talking to my friends.

      If I walk into my own house and there’s a party there and I say ‘what are all y’all doing here?’ I’m addressing everyone of the hoodlums in my house.

      Edit: To the person who down voted yet contributed nothing to the convo, please feel obliged to read up on clusivity in linguistics.

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        10 months ago

        Yeah. We mostly think of grammatical number as a simple choice of singular vs plural but that’s not what we do in real life.

        We generally have multiple labels that describe the concept of progressively expanding circles of what’s included when we think of ourselves.

        There’s the very narrow sense of I/me/myself. We have various expansions around us/all’y’all. Jamaicans have the phrase “I and I” which focuses on the individual but explicitly calls out the connection with others.

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    10 months ago

    I actually have been using y’all in this manner for about a decade. I found some women didn’t appreciate being called “you guys” when I addressed a group of people.

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      10 months ago

      on the other hand i hate using a word that is not a part of my dialect. it feels so goofy to say, and you guys has always been ungendered in my use

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        I’m trying ro be more conscious of it because i noticed my friends who are trans make a point to avoid “You guys”. I’m resistant to y’all though, so instead of biting the bullet and adopting the local dialect, I’ll say “you all” or “You two”. Don’t do what i do, y’all is kinda useful.

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    I started using y’all years ago due to its ungenderedness, in part from being in queer spaces. Walking into a room of trans women and enbies and saying “you guys” felt weird.

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      10 months ago

      Being enby, you guys feels weird when I’m included in it.

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        Being female, yes.

        But I do delight in the awkwardness when they’re called on it and try to backtrack and blush all the way down to their male genitalia.

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    y’all is second person plural. First and Second person aren’t gendered. Therefore, I is also woke

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      10 months ago

      OMG yes! We must make this a thing, make the right speak in caveman to fit their troglodyte nature! Lol

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    Y’all was created to serve a completely artificial problem.

    English has second person singular pronouns, but for some dumbfuck reason we’ve deprecated them. It’s still maintained in the standard for compatibility with legacy literature but not recommended for new works. If thou talk’st this way, thy speech comes off as archaic/shakesperian/biblical. So we use the second person plural for everything. But this removes the ability to encode context on how many thou art addressing. “You! Go put that fire out.” Are you talking to an individual in a group or the whole group?

    So the American south turned “you” into the singular form and invented “you all” contracted to “y’all” for the plural form.

    Now we just need to fix the first person plural problem, ie “We’ve just won the lottery!” Does “we” include the listener, or not? English doesn’t encode that information; “we” don’t have different words for “myself the speaker and the listener(s) and perhaps others” and “Myself the speaker, others, but not the listener.”

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    10 months ago

    Tbh, I’ve heard more y’alls in the San Francisco Bay Area than in Texas (I’ve live din both). Granted I lived in an immigrant-heavy place in Texas that I didn’t even live in for that long.

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    It’s actually a contraction from old English or Scots and has been around since 1631. The hicks are using socialist words that aren’t theirs.